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Microsoft is culprit, not Java | 438 comments | Create New Account
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But notice what he isn't commenting on...
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 12:58 PM EDT
Caleb Garling @CalebGarling

"You have open APIs, and then compete on implementations." -Schwartz.
Throwing a lot of cold water on Oracle's case right now

Ginny LaRoe @GinnyLaRoe

straight from the Java man's mouth --> Schwartz says APIs always free along
with open source Java language. Never proprietary.

Good old Florian, dodging the real issues and spinning irrelevant stuff to try
and help his employers.

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Florian is flipping out
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 01:00 PM EDT
"With the exception of Red Hat, which didn't build Linux itself, no company
ever made serious money on only that basis."

Who's currently paying Linus?

How many Linux engineers is IBM employing? (Yes, I know they're mostly a
hardware company)

How many Linux engineers is Redhat employing for maintenance and new features?

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Florian is flipping out
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 01:07 PM EDT
This is great news! In the SCO trial, remember how the astroturfers worked round
the clock with "the sky is falling" rhetoric--when something fatal to
their case was coming down?

It's interesting that everyone IN the industry (the SOFTWARE industry, that is,
not the freelance PR industry) is saying ORACLE's line of reasoning would be
fatal to the industry.

And, of course, FM misses the entire point of FOSS: the real economy is about
using computers in workplaces to make money more efficiently--not setting up
businesses to extract extortion payments from people just because they use
computers.

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Amazing
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 01:11 PM EDT
I've been following the case on twitter, and my first thought
was "Oh no! What will Florian think?"

Is that wrong?

Sorry, he just annoys me.

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  • Amazing - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 05:27 PM EDT
He is echoing Oracle's talking points
Authored by: jbb on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 01:31 PM EDT
As I've posted elsewhere, Oracle's API copyright case boils down to:
  1. Assume Jonathan Schwartz is an idiot.
  2. ... ?
  3. Profit!
This may look like a great plan on paper to people who have never met or seen Jonathan Schwartz but once the real Jonathan Schwartz enters the room, the entire plan falls apart. Over the past week many of the more obnoxious trolls here have been using this same battle plan. It appears to be a thinly veiled attempt by Oracle to join in on the wave of corporate irresponsibility that has ravaged our economy.

---
Our job is to remind ourselves that there are more contexts than the one we’re in now — the one that we think is reality.
-- Alan Kay

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He's posted another article
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 02:02 PM EDT
I won't link to it, but the general gist is that he still
doesn't understand the difference between the license that
code is distributed under, and some tenuous concept of a
idea-copyright/patent license on the ideas of what that
software does.

This is with respect to the APIs of course.

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Florian is flipping out
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 02:22 PM EDT
All of that is irrelevant. The court case
is about whether APIs are open and were when
Google used them. If so, then it doesn't
matter if Sun should have done things that
way or not.

Anyway, lots of proprietary companies let
you use their APIs and they don't go out
of business. I mean, don't you get access
to APIs just to do an app?

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Microsoft is culprit, not Java
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 02:54 PM EDT
The Microsoft monopoly is what perverted the software market. Free (as in free
(figure it out strangers)) software, though not solely a product of this
perversion (and likely would have developed anyway) became a necessity for
newcomers to express themselves.

Oracle was just being greedy slobbering all over themselves thinking they too
could be a microsoft.

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Florian is flipping out
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 03:30 PM EDT
Florian would probably endorse cow pies and ice cream for the
right price.

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May the Schwartz be with you! n/t
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 04:54 PM EDT
RAS

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Florian is flipping out
Authored by: Neeld on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 10:46 PM EDT
At least now people are starting to understand that he's paid to post his biased blog posts. It's good to see people calling him out. Here is an article:

The ethics of astro- turfing: sleazy or smart business?

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