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Oracle's Dilemma
Authored by: tinkerghost on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 10:36 PM EDT
That's the point that I think is being oversold here on Groklaw. Over several days of testimony, nobody from Sun's side ever said "we wrote the Java API spec"??? On the contrary, there were books submitted into evidence describing the spec - Sun employees wrote at least one of those books.
The problem is, writing a book on the spec isn't the same as writing the spec. If java.foo.bar(la,ti,da) came from Objective Pascal, it would still be included in the book on the spec. Authorship of the individual APIs has to be shown - especially since many of the math APIs are copied from other, earlier, OOP languages.

To expand, the math package contains a series of APIs related to math functions:

  • real min(list);
  • real max(list);
  • real average(list);
  • real log(real);
  • etc....
Oracle's problem is they registered the entire work, the whole package, but they are only suing over max & average. Great, but they've said "we didn't write all of this & we don't own all of it." Somewhere along the line, they forgot to show that they do, in fact, own max & average.

Because they forgot, they are stuck with either abandoning the whole copyright thing, or pointing to the whole 15M lines of Android & saying "See, they copied 9 lines of code and it's not de minimus because it's a huge portion of the whole work."

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You patented WHAT?!?!?!

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Oracle's Dilemma
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 01 2012 @ 08:13 PM EDT
And even if they did submit books on the subject, all that would prove is they
have a copyright on the book not how I use the information in the book...

It's long been proven for instance that I can copyright a telephone book but I
can't copyright the information in the book. I can take any telephone book I
want and create my own version, publish it myself using all the information in
the original and I will not have broken any copyright...but I can't make a
photocopy of the original and try to sell it as my property.

API's and specs are 'like' that...though I'm sure not exactly equivalent.
Writing a book about a spec only protects my particular version of presentation
in that book.

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