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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 25 2012 @ 04:26 PM EDT
I think so.

I'm not sure exactly what the ramifications are, but I think that it might mean
that the entire set of java APIs has to be taken as a whole, and not just the 37
APIs that they are suing Google over. which would add a lot of weight to
Google's de minimus argument when comparing the 9 lines of literally copied code
to the whole.

I don't know what it would mean to Oracle's arguments about the SSO of the 37
APIs in question thoug. Would the individual SSO's of the individual APIs now
not matter, as it would have to be the SO of the entire work?

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It substantially similar
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 25 2012 @ 06:03 PM EDT
Sort of like "to this very day"...

Google points out that Oracle opened the can of worms in their questioning.

Maybe its a BSF specialty. Foot sniping - so much more precise and targeted
than general foot gunning.

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Authored by: Doghouse on Thursday, April 26 2012 @ 06:40 AM EDT

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure (IANAL)...

It would shift any burden of proof of ownership from Google to Oracle. Oracle would need to prove that they actually own the copyright on each of the items they're claiming were copied, rather than Google having to prove, if they wanted to so argue, that Oracle don't.

Registering copyright in something in the US doesn't mean you actually own the copyright. That's still down to who created it, whether they did it for someone else, whether they sold the rights, and so forth (just like in countries such as the UK that don't have registration). What it does, though, is to tighten up your legal rights. In particular, timely registration of something is taken by courts as prima facie evidence that you own the copyright you registered - so, in court, the burden of proof is on other people to prove that you don't.

What's being noted here is that, where the work being registered is a collection, that presumption doesn't automatically also apply to the parts that go to make it up. (You may own the copyright in those as well, but you needn't. If you edit a collection of other people's stories, say, the copyright of that particular collection is yours, even if you don't own the copyright of any of the stories.) It looks like, in this case, the admission was effectively made in the registration that copyright did not extend to all of the parts, but that it wasn't then made clear which parts of the collection were new (and therefore copyright) and which weren't.

As per Oracle's reaction, this seems tantamount to a late Google challenge to Oracle's ownership of the copyrights. Google look, in effect, to be saying "We weren't planning to challenge ownership; but now that Oracle is making claims that, by implication, mean that ownership can no longer be presumed, they have an obligation to provide the requisite proof that they even have standing to sue." Hence, I would suggest, the following exchange:

Judge: So the first time that this came into your mind was this Monday?

Google: No, they brought this up on Monday.

("We'd noticed it, but until Oracle's arguments on Monday it wasn't relevant.")

It also, I would suggest, would mean that the fundamental question as to whether APIs can be copyrighted at all was now not part of the case against Google, but rather of Oracle's need to prove that they own the copyrights (because if APIs aren't copyrightable, Oracle clearly can't own them). And once it's not part of the infringement case, why Google alone should be stuck with the job and expense of arguing the matter is an interesting question in itself. Plenty of other parties could well claim a wish to be heard). Overall, what difference it might make in practice I don't know, but I can't imagine it being good for Oracle.

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