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Google: "we haven't even started our case yet"
Authored by: Oliver on Tuesday, April 24 2012 @ 06:19 AM EDT
To a certain extent by instructing the Jury to assume that the
SSO is copyrightable he is saving possible appeals and hence
showing judicial economy. I.e. if he were to rule that they
weren't, it would be appealed and would go back to court to be
argued. So may as well let it be argued now and so the
appeals court can't return it in order for it to be argued.
I.e. he is appeal proofing his final ruling.

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Google: "we haven't even started our case yet"
Authored by: darrellb on Tuesday, April 24 2012 @ 10:07 AM EDT
I felt that the Google Lawyers were not objecting enough during the crosses of the Witnesses

Why do you thing that Google should have been raising objections? That makes no sense at all. Every cross examination so far has been done by Google. Why would Google object when they're asking the questions?

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Google: "we haven't even started our case yet"
Authored by: darrellb on Tuesday, April 24 2012 @ 10:20 AM EDT
I think the Court has it backwards, too. Since fair use is a defense, the
copyrightability should be decided first as a threshold issue.

Since the Court has reserved judgment on the copyrightability itself, isn't
there a possibility that the Court will instruct the jury to consider copyright
infringement and defenses of X and then, after trial, conclude that only Y, a
subset of X is actually copyrightable.

What is the Court to do? There is no evidence or decision about Y, only X. How
can the Court separate Y from X?

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Google: "we haven't even started our case yet"
Authored by: jbb on Tuesday, April 24 2012 @ 01:02 PM EDT
anon said:
I am also getting the feeling the Judge maybe helping Oracle more than he should. I don't really agree that the Jury should decide on fair use, before it is clear if API's are copyrightable or not.
As I pointed out in my OP:
Arguing fair use in front of the jury may actually be a huge boon for Google. If the jury decides that as a matter of fact Google's use of the APIs was fair use then that finding of fact by the jury might be harder to overturn than a ruling by the judge directly saying APIs cannot be protected as a matter of law.
Giving the fair use question to the jury may help Google much more than it helps Oracle. IOW, Google wins if they win on fair use OR if they win on the uncopyrightablity of APIs. In order for Oracle to win, they have to win on both issues.

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