decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books

Gear

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


You won't find me on Facebook


Donate

Donate Paypal


No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
Quantity has a quality all it's | 503 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
they could have built their own new platform.
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 22 2012 @ 12:23 PM EDT
The OP-anonymous seems to be troubled by the fact that Google didn't write a
.java (source) to dalvik compiler, but instead has you compile java source to
java bytecode with Oracle's compiler, then translate the java bytecode to dalvik
bytecode with Google's tool.

If the OP-anonymous wants to get their knickers in a twist about that, I guess
it's his or her right. But the rest of us tend to feel that the binary output
of a compiler is both legally and ethically owned by the owner of the source
code of the program being compiled, not the owner of the compiler. And if you
have a valid license to use the compiler to generate binary output, and you own
the copyright in the binary output, you can do anything you want with those ones
and zeros, such as print them out as confetti, or yes, translate them to execute
on a machine with a quite different execution model.

Or at least we would run in screaming fear from any compiler where that was not
the case!

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

I look at an api as like a door. On one side of the door is the app. On the other side is the VM
Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, April 22 2012 @ 12:35 PM EDT
Thanks for that.

---
RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Quantity has a quality all it's
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 22 2012 @ 09:44 PM EDT
Dalvik isn't a platform. It's a tiny little piece of a platform.

I mean come on. Google's own slides explain why they wanted the Java system.
It's comprehensive. It's successful. Their own customers demanded it. There are
millions of developers familiar with it.

Look at what Apple had to do for the iPhone -- tons and tons of work going all
the way back to technologies developed at NeXT. Google took a short cut by
leveraging all the Oracle (Sun) work but decided to take it rather than license
it and hope they could get away with it. They might.

Oracle's copyright case might be problematic but let's get real about the pieces

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
Comments are owned by the individual posters.

PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )