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are we done summarily judging for now? | 342 comments | Create New Account
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Day 2 of Oracle v. Google Trial ~pj
Authored by: s65_sean on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 03:14 PM EDT
I believe that Judge Alsup ruled that whether these 37 particular APIs are
protectable by copyright is a matter of fact to be decided at trial after
evidence from both sides has been presented at trial. After that ruling, Oracle
and Google then agreed that that matter should be decided by the judge.

This is sort of like the SCO v. Novell trial, where all of the factual evidence
is being presented in a single trial, but some of the points that are in dispute
will be decided by the judge, and others will be decided by the jury.

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are we done summarily judging for now?
Authored by: mcinsand on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 03:15 PM EDT
Yeah, for some reason, I expected some more summary judgements.

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Great question!
Authored by: jbb on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 03:24 PM EDT
It doesn't make any sense to me either. Maybe both sides *want* the jury to hear the copyright arguments. For Oracle, it goes to show how Google robbed them in so many ways. For Google, the ridiculous copyright claims reduce Oracle's credibility. But I still don't understand why the judge did not insist that they first figure out the copyrightability issue.

Perhaps the judge wants the copyrightability arguments all out in open court because he knows that whichever way it is decided, that issue will be headed towards the Supreme Court. The more optimistic part of me hopes the judge wants to make sure Oracle gets every possible chance to make their case before they get shot down in flames.

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Day 2 of Oracle v. Google Trial ~pj
Authored by: hardmath on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 03:26 PM EDT

The judge will decide by applying the law to facts which are develop in the first phase of the trial.

There's the Abstraction-Filtration-Comparison test for determining substantial similarity in applying copyright law. Presumably Judge Alsup feels confident that he will be able to make this ruling during the second phase of the trial (or sooner), since the instructions to the jury in determining damages will hinge on whether mere compatibility at the API level between Android's subset of Harmony and the "official" Java platform packages can constitute infringement.

I suspect he will rule sooner than that, and is just waiting to the end of the first phase to give Oracle a chance to identify something "expressive" in the identified collection of classes and methods that is worthy of copyright protection. So far I have not heard a peep about expressiveness, only about "hard work" being involved.

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