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Solaris and JAVA
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 09:10 PM EDT
Ask Microsoft which has more value to their business.
Windows or C#

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The Egg
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 10:22 PM EDT
Perhaps many of the "best" hardware people left because they were no
longer working for a hardware company.

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On The Value of Sun
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 12:17 AM EDT

The core business of Oracle is the database. Their top competitors (not in terms of share/usage but in paying customers) are IBM and Microsoft. Java is a key language for applications that front customers' Oracle databases. If the java language (and Sun) went to someone else, Oracle could be in a position where a key technology is in someone else's control. By bringing java into their tent, they gain full control in making sure that the language keeps up with regards to how it works with database related technologies they sell.

So, is java worth a significant part of 7.4 billion in a general sense. No. But to certain people, such as IBM or Oracle, its value may be higher than market evaluation or a multiplier of annual revenues because it is very a important adjunct to their core products and they'd be up a creek if someone, such as Microsoft, got it in order to kill it or give it to the community and let competing interests fracture it and make it irrelevant. This looks like it's happening any way. The mobile space is where the action is and java isn't even allowed on one major platform and is likely to be excluded from Microsoft's wanna-be mobile os.

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Oracle bought Sun for one reason
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 02:15 AM EDT
MySQL was the reason. Once Oracle owned it, they could corner the commercial
database market.

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You missed one important point
Authored by: cricketjeff on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 05:30 AM EDT
Oracle are lying!

When you include this detail the whole argument becomes self-consistent.

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On The Value of Sun - Nailed in cross!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 08:22 AM EDT
Ellison was nailed in cross on this, and I'm not even sure he realized it.

Google: When you acquired Sun, wasn't the primary idea to enter into the smartphone market?

Ellison: No.

[Comparing now with the video deposition-- two apparent direct contradictions]

Ellison: Java was a factor in the decision, not a primary motivation.

Google: TX 2042-- asks Ellison to identify it.

Ellison: It's an email that I wrote to Scott McNealy.

Google: After Oracle agreed to buy Sun, proposing building a smartphone based on Java.

Oracle stated that Java was the primary value of Sun in their opening, didn't they? Ellison just stated that it was a "factor", not a "primary motivation"

Somebody just got slapped by a lawyer, and it never occurred to him.

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