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Authored by: mcinsand on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 02:19 PM EDT
That response was from me, in case you want to know where to throw the tomatoes.

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Absolutely agreed
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 05:01 PM EDT

I was simply pointing out the ridiculous argument I've seen some present.

To them, working around a patent - the act in and of itself with nothing else involved - is clearly wrong. Some view copyrights in the same way... working around a copyright is clearly wrong.

They don't seem to want to accept that neither patents nor copyrights protect the heart of the idea. They don't want to accept that patents are only supposed to protect a particular implementation of the idea. They don't want to accept that copyrights are only supposed to protect a particular expression of the idea.

Personally I think that's the key battleground. So long as those of us fighting to keep a balance between the exchange of a monopoly in return for release of the idea keep that point firmly in mind and keep reminding the Lawmakers of that: we stand a chance of ensuring things don't go overboard on the protection side.

But if we forget those two points and we keep conflating the idea with the implementation or expression - just like they want us to - then we could very well loose when some new Act is worded in such a way as to remove those limitations.

In a recent article, even P.J. said:

The point is, if Oracle really wants to own and control an idea, it needs to do so with patents, not copyrights.
I sure hope she really meant "... control an implementation of an idea" and not really the idea as embodied in the knowledge, the concept.

Or perhaps the Laws have already changed enough that my understanding of what patents are supposed to protect have totally been thrown out the window.

There's a reason the patent office used to require a prototype. And a prototype would certainly limit protection to the particular implementation.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure the Supreme's invalidate patents if they are defined too broadly - protecting the idea, rather than a specific implementation.

So... unless I'm really out to lunch on my understanding, I'm pretty sure I have the core issue identified in this particular war to enslave knowledge.

I sure wish someone fighting (practicing in front of the Supremes) to keep sanity in the IP realm starts to focus on clarification of protecting the implementation/expression of the idea vs protecting the knowledge of the idea.

I would love to see the Supreme's use that explicit wording some time and clarify. It's already encoded in Copyright Law:

... fixed in any tangible medium of expression
Not that copyright police seem to want to ignore that in some cases:
    Really? The language is in a protected form? Like a dictionary (words of the language) combined with an Encyclopedia (rules on how the language is used)?
Unfortunately Patent Law is not so clear and it would be nice if Congress added the term "implementation". I think the term is reasonably construed through the requirement of proper disclosure. But without the clarification, there are those Lawyers that will always argue patents apply to more then just the implementation.

As it stands "idea or process" alone is too easy to be able to refer to something more then the implementation.

RAS

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  • Absolutely agreed - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 03:13 AM EDT
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