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Authored by: Kilz on Monday, April 16 2012 @ 11:58 PM EDT
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Authored by: Kilz on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 12:02 AM EDT
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augmentable but not admissable?
Authored by: IMANAL_TOO on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 01:37 AM EDT
The second order is apparently augmentable but not
necessarily admissable?

"Oracle’s motion to augment its trial exhibits (Dkt. No.
907) is GRANTED. [...] This augmentation does not mean that
the exhibits are admissible."

What does admissable mean here?




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ORACLE will put Tim on the stand?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 03:05 AM EDT
Oh well, as they have read the email into evidence, they might have to. Still,
unless he has become an Oracle stool in the meantime, I can't see it going well
for them - "I'm not a lawyer" and "I was examining technical, not
legal, issues", and the impact of the email disappears.
Even if he has changed camps to Oracle, well placed objections and a barely
competent cross will achieve the same thing.

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Oracle publishes opening slides
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 05:05 AM EDT
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/opening-slides-1592541.pdf

Interesting they make a big media spectacle out of this. I thought the judge
warned them not to.

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Article on "The Register"
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 07:21 AM EDT
Link

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Oracle v. Google - Day 1 Filings
Authored by: kuroshima on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 10:58 AM EDT
Does anyone know if any helpful volunteer managed to get in
today? While Oracle's opening statements got covered
yesterday, I would really get a chance to see Google's

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Oracle's slides answers some questions
Authored by: bugstomper on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 11:26 AM EDT
Some tidbits from the slides that I found interesting after some questions that
were raised in the comments to yesterday's article:

Michael Jacob's reference to going with Microsoft or using Java without a
license as the alternatives if a license with Sun didn't work out. People here
asked Microsoft? Huh?

The slide shows that Microsoft's CLM, the runtime environment for C#, was on the
list of alternatives considered instead of the Java Platform. That would have
been pretty close to going with Mono, in effect.

We can see from the slides how Jacobs handled the fact that the Lindholm email
was so late in the process: "Years later, Google still needs Java
technology and a Java license".

This feels really slimy to me. Everything he says as if it is evidence against
big bad Google can be boiled down to simply - Google wanted to take an easy
route of licensing all of Java at once from Sun so there would be no problem
with using the trademarked name Java, logos, they would not have to pay
attention to any copyrights or patents, and they would have a business partner.
Yes, they knew and wanted a license to pursue that. They didn't get one and had
to settle for an alternative that would not require a license, using just
uncopyrightable aspects of Java, making sure that they did not call anything
"Java" (scrubbing the J word), all to avoid having to get a license.
And not telling Sun about what they were doing because Sun would get upset over
Google working around the requirement for a license. Then Oracle threatened to
sue and a Google engineer said that he would rather keep using Java and just pay
them off if that what it would take to stay out of court. Is that evidence of
anything?

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Twitter updates
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 11:33 AM EDT
Here are some twitter users who are doing live tweets from the trial:

James Niccolai Link
Dan Levine Link
Brandon Bailey Link
Ginny LaRoe Link

Here's an interesting tweet that just popped up:
Dan Levine ‏ @FedcourtJunkie
And we have a prop! Van Nest brings out an actual metal filing cabinet to demonstrate how Java, source code, APIs all fit together

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Larry plays with Footgun
Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 03:21 PM EDT
Link

"I had an idea for building a Java phone and we explored it and we decided it would be a bad idea".

In addition to exploring the idea internally, Ellison said Tuesday that Oracle explored the idea of buying a phone maker, either Palm or Blackberry-maker RIM, to acquire technical expertise in the field. He also confirmed under cross-examination that he spoke with top Google executives about working together on a phone that would incorporate Oracle's version of Java software with Google's Android operating system.

So what really happened Larry?

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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.

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