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Copyright on languages, APIs would be a VERY BAD THING
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 06:24 AM EDT

This may be the "Off topic" thread, but the following article is very much on topic. Andrew Orlowski of the Register writes, "Oracle v Google could clear way for copyright on languages, APIs, And here's why that would be a VERY BAD THING."

While source code is globally recognised as copyrightable (in the United States since 1964), this is not the case for languages and interfaces. The two relevant international treaties are TRIPS (Trade-Related aspects of Intellectual Property Rights) and the Copyright Treaty of the UN agency World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). In a High Court ruling in 2010 specialist IP judge Justice Richard Arnold affirmed that both agreements protect source code.

Judge Arnold said that software source code is an “expression” and that neither TRIPS nor the Copyright Treaty protects “ideas, procedures, methods of operation and mathematical concepts as such” – which either belong to the domain of patents or are not protected at all.

The judge's view was – to some extent – affirmed by Advocate General Yves Bot (yes, that's really his name) at the European Court of Justice late last year. Bot said that the "functionalities" of a program, and the programming language, cannot be protected by copyright. He added that the source code of a program "may be reproduced in order to ensure interoperability with another program", but only if "certain conditions are met".

So what I don't get is, why do we have a group of 12 technologically illiterate people deciding such a monumental thing as to whether computer languages, or at least, the API specification for them, should be copyrightable? This just doesn't make any sense to me.

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Lumia “not good enough”
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 06:54 AM EDT

Shane McGlaun over at Slashgear says, Euro carriers knock Nokia: Lumia “not good enough”

The four major telecom operators in Europe remain unmoved by recent smartphones Nokia has offered. Those four major European carriers are saying that Nokia’s new Lumia line of smartphones are just not good enough to compete against rivals in the market such as the iPhone or Android devices.

European carriers say that the Lumia smartphones are overpriced and are not innovative.

Another big issue that the carriers cite are glitches in the battery and software for early models that make Nokia look bad. The crux of the issue for Microsoft and Nokia is that people are not coming into stores asking for Windows Phone devices. Many feel that Nokia should have thrown its money behind Android rather than stacking all of its eggs inside the Windows Phone basket.

An unnamed European mobile phone executive said, “No one comes into the store and asks for a Windows phone." "If the Lumia with the same hardware came with Android in it and not Windows, it would be much easier to sell.”

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Quantum Computer
Authored by: JamesK on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 07:30 AM EDT
Dilbert ;-)

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The following program contains immature subject matter. Viewer discretion is advised.

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If I copyright the stub function
Authored by: MadTom1999 on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 08:44 AM EDT
will that kill development stone dead?

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Google Says It Didn’t Need License to Use Java in Android
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 12:29 PM EDT

Karen Gullo and Pamela MacLean at Bloomberg News have the scoop...

Google outlined a defense today in federal court in San Francisco against Oracle’s allegations of copyright and patent infringement.

"Google didn’t need a license to use the Java language in Android," Robert Van Nest, an attorney for Google, said today in federal court in San Francisco on the second day of an eight-week trial.

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Google: Oracle sued us for Android only after failing to build own smartphone
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 12:39 PM EDT

Brandon Bailey at Mercury News has much more info on Google's defense today

Oracle (ORCL) wanted to build its own smartphone before it challenged Google's (GOOG) use of the Java programming system in building the popular Android mobile software, a Google attorney told jurors in federal court Tuesday.

Google didn't need a license from Oracle or from Sun Microsystems, which created Java before it was acquired by Oracle in 2010, according to Van Nest, because Google only used the programming language and other elements of the Java system that were freely available in the public domain.

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European carriers: Nokia's Lumia smartphone "would be much easier to sell" if it ran Android
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 01:27 PM EDT
Link

So Nokia might be well on the way to recovery if they had done the sensible thing. The shareholders should act to get rid of Flop immediately.

I like this bit:

“No one comes into the store and asks for a Windows phone,” said an executive in charge of mobile devices for one European operator. “If the Lumia with the same hardware came with Android in it and not Windows, it would be much easier to sell,” he added.
It seems that the buying public are learning....

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Microsoft exec takes over Mali
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 01:47 PM EDT
Whole countries now.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/17/11248387-microsoft-africa-chairm
an-named-interim-leader-of-mali

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Contradicting a Federal Judge, FCC Clears Google in Wi-Fi Sniffing Debacle
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, April 17 2012 @ 05:59 PM EDT
Wired

< a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/fcc-metes-out-light-penalty -for-google-in-street-view-case/2012/04/16/gIQAEryRMT_story.html">washington Post

I have just spotted these in a circular from SANS which I receive regularly.

If I was using unencrypted public WiFi, I would be far more worried about Joe Cracker than Google!

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