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And it is the last point that fails - | 328 comments | Create New Account
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you just said it yourself
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:15 PM EDT
The MUA doesn't matter

Every MTA is push, and in particular, we used to configure sendmail to beep a
pager every time particular email was pushed to recipient MTA->Pushed to
recipient MUA

That's the same thing.


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And it is the last point that fails -
Authored by: sysprog on Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:31 PM EDT
The last step is the MUA, not the MTA.
Y'all're thinking like an end-user instead of a server. (In the context of "technology patent", there's not much, if at all, difference.) For a server, the MDA is the "last step". Whether or not an MUA even exists is irrelevant. The analogy for postal mail is that mail is considered "finally delivered" upon insertion into a mailbox; a person can't claim it wasn't delivered by just refusing to take the mailpiece out. Other thoughts:
  • It has been claimed that a "random ISP/hoster" would require a poll; again I disagree, as most such facilities do have the option of forwarding (all/some) e-mail programmatically.
  • For inter-domain e-mail, refer to SMTP, which is unequivocally push (and only push). RFC821 dates back to the early 80's, yet I was a user of ARPANET (what passed for) e-mail in the mid-70's; that was also push (it's certainly arguable that UUCP, as a predominant (but not exclusive) technology, was a "pull" technique, but that was a low-level incidental detail (sort of a layer 2 versus layer 3-5 implementation)).
  • In the late 80's, I carried a pager. The big paging companies all had interfaces so that a user could send a page programmatically. This IXO/TAP protocol set predated even SNPP (e.g. RFC1568). It was almost trivial to rig up a procmail recipe (or "deliver" script, which I still (unfortunately) use today) as a back-end to the server's MDA, which would send notification/message directly to my pager.  
     
    All of that is just plain push.

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