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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 05:28 AM EST |
With respect, have you actually read anything about the Free Software
philosophy? Do you understand the idea of somebody agreeing with something that
they themselves do not actually do? For example, do you suppose everybody who
debates about social security is ON social security? Do you suppose that
everybody who debates abortion has HAD an abortion, or chosen not to have one?
The idea that commentary isn't allowed unless you "participate" is
absurd, pompous, and arrogant, don't you think?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 05:31 AM EST |
I think PJ/Groklaw has contributed FOSS a LOT more than you suggest. Do you
think all that matters is code? Seems that main reason for your post is that you
don't like SUN/CDDL to be critized...[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: dcarrera on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 05:34 AM EST |
Please, do tell. What FOSS project do you contribute to?
I spend 40h/week corking on OpenOffice.org. How about you?
I think PJ's analysis was very good. Furthermore, I cannot think of anything
that my experience at OOo has taught me that would materially impact PJ's
article.
Cheers,
Daniel Carrera.
OpenOffice.org volunteer.
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Make a difference. Join OpenOffice.org. Join OOoAuthors today.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 05:39 AM EST |
to understand FOSS, OSS, GNU, GPL, or what the community means.
I think PJ has a firm grip on what she's talking about, and Groklaw is the proof
in the pudding.
But I think you did touch, kinda, on SUN's problem. They talk about Opensource
and how great it is but from my perspective, at least, they grasp it like
Microsoft does. The upper management doesn't see the community, all they see is
the developement process.
You say PJ can't understand developement because she's not a developer. Well,
under your logic, I say SUN can't understand the community because they're not a
community player.
I know they donated code, but as PJ pointed out, its the actions, not the code
that counts.
When I see SUN start to regard the community like IBM has been, then I will
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| Authored by: Brian S. on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 05:44 AM EST |
| a Ford engineer trying to convince the general public that the design of their
braking system is superior to that of DCC.
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| Authored by: Tom on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 05:47 AM EST |
Certainly, if PJ started patronisingly explaining how memory management works
or why she thinks one filesystem is has more technical merit than another, it
would be inappropriate (not that that stops hoards of unqualified people from
holding forth on such matters in all the open-source forums).
However,
this is a legal matter, and slap-bang in the middle of PJ's area of expertise.
To comment intelligently on this issue requires experience of the law,
open-source licenses and the attitudes of the open-source community. PJ has far
greater experience than most of all of these issues.
Besides, who decreed
that users aren't part of the open-source community? I certainly didn't get the
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| Authored by: cc0028 on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 06:08 AM EST |
| Oh dear! I really must get some new reading glasses. Here was me thinking she
was talking about licenses. I never realised she was talking about coding. And
me a developer, too. Shame on me!
Peter
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| Authored by: PJ on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 06:15 AM EST |
This article is about legal issues related to a license, so
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| Authored by: golding on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 06:44 AM EST |
er, see what I mean?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 06:50 AM EST |
That's fine. That's your opinion. I am also a FOSS developer, and I am quite
happy to have PJ speak on my behalf. So far I have agreed 100% with everything
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 07:46 AM EST |
I do not think that this anonymous post is "well informed". According
to the lore of Groklaw, we should try to get the readers better informed. Here
is my small contribution.
FOSS projects want input. Any input. If your expertice is to code, code. If you
can write, write documentation. If you are a user, use it and share your
experiences with the project or friends.
Sent in many good bug reports, and they sent you roses or treat you on a beer.
Become an expert "bug" reporter, and they will contact YOU for input.
For instance, Alan Cox's wife, Telsa, doesn't code. She only sents bug-reports
and writes documentation. She is well respected for that. No one wants her to
try to contribute code to Linux.
Most regard Richard Stallman more for the GPL than for any of his code. But this
is good.
PJ has used her expertise to do the FOSS community an EXTREMELY good service. I
think almost all would return her a favor when she would need one. Dismissing
her views on her own field as unimportant shows the writer of the original posts
never has tried to get a complex project out to its users. For whatever small
things I have constructed, I welcome ALL serious input. ALL!
The point of this all is that FOSS users are part of the community. A coder will
take a documentation writer very serious, just as a bug-reporter. And vice
versa. And all want users, the more the better.
The motto is: Each contributes to his own abillity, even if it is as a user or
local evangelist.
Rob
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 08:24 AM EST |
I'm a Linux user too (not a linux developer), but I do contribute to several
FOSS (using GPL) projects, and a full time programmer. In my opinion PJ (though
she isn't a coder) knows what she writes about.
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| Authored by: TerryC on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 08:40 AM EST |
| With respect, you sound like those Ford drivers who talk at great length
about how well their Fords are engineered, when they've never even popped the
hood.
I read this with incredulity that anyone should be so
arrogant misinformed.
I don't design cars. I don't repair
cars. These days I rarely 'pop the hood' (open the bonnet in the UK). That
doesn't mean that I don't understand anything about cars. What is more
important, it doesn't mean that I don't understand the issues that arise when
the people who do design cars carry out their business.
In the cars case we
would be referring to performance, economy, safety, etc. In the case of
software we are talking about licences. Neither case needs an understanding of
the details, just the key points and issues arising.
You are welcome to post
here if you wish. We don't mind if you make controversial points. However, if
you intend to insult people, especially PJ, you had better have a halfway decent
argument in support of your insult.
That argument doesn't stand up in
anyone's debate.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 08:44 AM EST |
If you don't cook, you cannot complain about the food.
Is that your lifestyle?
Rob
PS. Parent was a really successful post. Very enlighthening too. Should go in
the * FAQ as a good * example.[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: waltish on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 01:43 PM EST |
We cant all be coders or there would be no one to dispell the FUD,or to gather
and centrelise the facts and documents.
Grocklaw is an Open Source Project, created by PJ to address the lies , FUD ,
misinformation etc the enemies of Open Source set in motion.
Its also a repository of documents , facts , etc and a historical record of
these times.
Groklaw is more than just helpfull/usefull to the Open Source comunity , I would
say its an Essential Part of it.
You obviously arnt realy a comunity type person are you? or you would know how a
comunity works.
And your post has contributed nothing to the comunity has it,
its just an attack on PJ's credibility, and a particularly lame one at that.
w
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, February 05 2005 @ 09:12 PM EST |
Folks, we've been trolled.
The short answer is, pj doesn't comment on code. She comments on software
licenses, a legal matter. She also comments on the oss community, which includes
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