Darl McBride: SCO -- that is correct. SCO UnixWare is a little bit unique in this diagram in that it serves both as the trunk of the tree and also as a branch.
I don't know, but I'm thinking perhaps they read Groklaw. If not, maybe they should. It would enhance consistency. And might a bystander like myself begin to wonder why unXis wants to buy assets that the CEO himself testified have been "going south" for years? If unXis isn't interested in the litigation, where's the business plan here?
And so if somebody came to the company and said, we want to get the core intellectual property to UNIX, and we want to take a license for that, for example, IBM did that with us in 1998, we said, okay, if you want to get core access to the UNIX intellectual property or the trunk code, the way you do that is through a UnixWare license. So UnixWare is unique compared to any of these other branches in that the core trunk is where the UNIX intellectual property was held was inside of UnixWare.
Q. Well, isn't it true that when you arrived in Caldera in late 2002, you realized that the revenues from the branches UnixWare and OpenServer were, in your words, marching south and dying off; correct?
A. They were under severe competition from primarily Linux but also from others. But, yes, they had been going south for a number of years.
Q. And because the revenues from the branches UnixWare and OpenServer were marching south and dying off, your strategy was to focus on maximizing the value of the trunk; correct?
A. In part, that's correct.
Q. And the trunk of the tree is the core SVRX code; correct?
A. We call it different things along the way. Sometimes we call it SCO UNIX; sometimes we call it System V; and sometimes we call it SVRX; sometimes we call it UnixWare. But it's all basically the core IP UNIX.
Q. And that's the core IP that dates back at AT&T?
A. It started at AT&T, but it had evolved dramatically over the years.
Q. And it was the core UNIX IP that you and Mr. Sontag
and others sought to mine with the SCO source program at SCO in 2002 through 2004; correct?
A. We sought to take the core UNIX ownership rights that we had that were primarily embodied in UnixWare and be able to get more value in the marketplace out of that core intellectual property.
Q. But you don't know, do you, whether all of the code from the core UNIX IP exists in UnixWare; correct?
A. The core -- no, that's not correct. The core code of UnixWare is where the older versions of UNIX have been embodied. It's been that way for years. I worked at Novell, and it was the case then and it's the case now 15 years later.
Q. But my question is, do you know if every line of code of the trunk here, do you know if every line of code in this trunk exists in UnixWare?
A. I know that if you want to license the trunk code, you'd have to do it through UnixWare.
Q. That wasn't my question. My question was, do you know if every line of code in the UnixWare, this core trunk exists in UnixWare?
A. That's my understanding.
And look at the first PDF, page 30, the last page. It's the end of Exhibit A-1, a list of 3rd party software licenses for UnixWare and OpenServer. It shows HP as 3rd party licensor of something listed as Open Desktop Secureware, and SCO lists it as "Obsolete - Special Order". Open Desktop is UNIX, not UnixWare. You can see that in this press release, which was sent out by SCO to announce the partnering with SecureWare: