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Mitzi Bond Declaration - as text
Thursday, March 03 2005 @ 11:22 AM EST

Here's the Mitzi Bond Declaration as text, thanks to juliac, who did the transcription for us. SCO submitted this to buttress its claim that AT&T licenses meant to control not only the code but also methods and concepts in derivatives and modifications by licensees. Ms. Bond takes it one extreme step further, to espouse a "mental contamination" theory, whereby, if I have understood the theory, any programmer who was exposed to Unix System V could never write anything again for anybody, including himself, without AT&Tpotentially being able to claim control, due to his "mental contamination".

Ms. Bond would like us to believe that IBM, with some of the finest attorneys in the world and intending to do modifications and derivative works, being at the time in the software business, signed a contract like that. If you were the most lowly and financially desperate of programmers, would you? Not unless you wished to be unemployable by anyone else from that day onward. You couldn't even safely work for yourself, with the broad brush Ms. Bond uses to paint with.

Do compare what Ms. Bond has to say here with the historical material Dr Stupid unearthed on what Ms. Bond said in the 80s that directly contradicts this current testimony.

She also makes an extraordinary claim in paragraph 9:

"9. In my experience, AT&T refused to compromise its core intellectual property protections -- even in response to specific licensee requests and even at the expense of losing prospective licensees. I am not aware of any instance in which AT&T agreed (in any licensee agreement or any supplement, modification, or side letter thereto) to reduce AT&T's protection under a UNIX license so as to protect against the unauthorized use or disclosure of just source code."

IBM's license is here. And here is the Side Letter, their Sublicensing Agreement , the Supplement 170 Agreement, the Letter Agreement Amendment to 170and Amendment X, which do all the things Ms. Bond claims she never knew AT&T to do.

These are all from Groklaw's Contracts page.

Obviously, IBM has precisely such side letters and supplemental agreements, and in fact, in SCO's March 6, 2003 termination letter to IBM over AIX, SCO references the Side Letter and it chose the longer notice time of a side letter instead of the shorter notice time in the original license, so while Ms. Bond may be unaware of any such instance of AT&T altering terms by means of a side letter, SCO is obviously acknowledging that Side Letter. Their letter even tells IBM that it is bound by the Side Letter. And in the Side Letter you will find this paragraph:

"2.   Regarding Section 2.01, we agree that modifications and derivative works prepared by or for you are owned by you.  However, ownership of any portion or portions of SOFTWARE PRODUCTS included in any such modification or derivative work remains with us."

SCO's letter doesn't reference that paragraph, and instead it quotes the original language found in the License Agreement. Dirty pool. Anyway, Ms. Bond may be having some trouble remembering things that happened so long ago. Or maybe she wasn't at a high enough level to know the whole story.

In any case, BSDI, in the 1992 case she references, submitted an Opposition brief, which you can read on the page of materials Dr Stupid found, which said this:

"In the negotiations leading up to the execution of the E-SOFT-00089 Agreement, USL initially proposed language providing that any derivative work 'based on' the licensed materials was to be treated as licensed software. The University objected to that language, however, and insisted that it be changed to cover only derivative works 'that contain' licensed software. USL accepted this modification, providing a new version of the E-SOFT-00089 Agreement in which the language 'based on' licensed materials had been changed to 'that contains' licensed software. (Wilson Dep. T., Exh. D-67 and D-68 (attached as Exhibits Y and Z to the Forte Aff.).

"This same clarification i.e., that only derivative works containing AT&T code had to be treated as licensed software had also been made in discussions surrounding a prior license agreement, the 'UNIX System V Agreement'. This agreement initially included within the definition of 'LICENSED SOFTWARE' any derivative works prepared by the licensee 'based on' the licensed materials. The University objected to that provision, which had not appeared in any of its prior agreements with AT&T, and was contrary to its understanding of its obligations. (See Karels Aff., ~ 23-26). Following discussions regarding the provision, USL wrote a letter agreement to the University 'clarifying' the definition of 'Licensed Software' by deleting from the definition 'derivative works prepared by the licensees'. The letter further stated that AT&T never had intended to claim any interest in such works. (See Exhibit B to Karels Aff.; Exhibit D-34 to Wilson Dep. T. (Bates P000243) (Exhibit aa to the Forte Aff.)). In place of the prior language, a sentence was added stating 'LICENSEE agrees that any modification or derivative work prepared by it *that contains any LICENSED SOFTWARE* shall be treated as LICENSED SOFTWARE hereunder.' (Emphasis added)."

So IBM was not the only licensee to obtain alterations in the wording to make sure modifications and derivatives were *not* under AT&T's control.

Ms. Bond also claims educational and commercial licenses were essentially the same, but you can read them for yourself, and I believe you will come to a different conclusion. Here is an educational license and here's a commercial one.

I can't understand why SCO thought this declaration would help them. A little fact checking, and it sort of goes up in smoke. For example, she tells us what her testimony in the BSDi case was, but not completely. She doesn't inform us, although Dr Stupid does, that she changed her testimony after a lunch break conference with AT&T's then-attorney.


Brent O. Hatch (5715)
Mark F. James (5295)
[address, phone, fax]

Robert Silver (admitted pro hac vice)
Edward Normand (admitted pro hac vice)
Sean Eskovitz (admitted pro hac vice)
[address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for Plaintiff







Case No. 2:03CV0294DAK

Hon. Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells



I, Mitzi D. Bond, declare as follows:

1. I submit this Declaration in connection with The SCO Group v. International Business Machines Corporation, No. 2:03CV0294DAK (D. Utah 2003).

2. From 1983 to 1994, I was employed by AT&T (or one of its subsidiary or successor entities) in licensing the UNIX operating system. During that time, I worked in Greensboro, North Carolina, for various entities -- including, from approximately 1983 to 1993, AT&T and then UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. ("USL"); and, from approximately 1993 to 1994, Novell.

3. During my tenure at AT&T and USL, I held several positions in the UNIX software sales and licensing group -- including Contract Manager, Account Executive, Public Relations Associate, and Public Relations Specialist.

4. Shortly after I began working at AT&T, I was involved in the inception of the $ echo newsletter. I served as the editor of that newsletter for the duration of its existence. AT&T used the newsletter to disseminate information to subscribing licensees, including about the requirements of the UNIX software agreements. The newsletter was never intended or designed


to have any legal effect, on our licensees or on their license agreements with AT&T. To the contrary, if, for example, the $ echo newsletter announced language that AT&T intended to include in its standard agreement, such language would become part of a licensee's agreement with AT&T only if that licensee executed an agreement containing that language. As the license agreements themselves stated, each individual licensee's rights and obligations were governed by that particular licensee's signed license agreement.

5. In each of my capacities at AT&T and USL, and during my entire tenure with those companies, I was trained to understand the intent and meaning of the standard software agreements under which AT&T and USL licensed the UNIX software product, and I was called upon to communicate that understanding to UNIX licensees and prospective licensees.

6. I came to my understanding of the intent and meaning of the UNIX software license agreements through, among other things, formal training involving, among others, attorneys Marty Pfeffer and Burt Levine (who were our principal legal contacts) and supervisors Otis Wilson, Keith Tester, and David Frasure; as well as informal discussions with my fellow contract managers/account executives, including, among others, Steve Vuksanovich, Evelyn


Davis and Chuck Greene. The UNIX licensing group regularly attended staff meetings, where we would discuss issues relating to the UNIX agreements.

7. Based on the above-described training and discussions with my former colleagues, as well as my own reading of the UNIX software license agreements, I know that those agreements were designed and intended to safeguard AT&T's valuable tangible and intangible property rights in UNIX with strict contractual protections that went beyond safeguarding just the source code in the original licensed UNIX product. For example:

a. the license agreements covered any works that resulted from our licensee's exercise of their contractual right to prepare modifications or derivatives of the UNIX product;

b. the agreements protected all of the innovations embodied in the licensed UNIX software, including, among other things, the structures, sequences, patterns, ideas, methods, and concepts; and

c. the agreements required each licensee to treat any work prepared with the benefit of having been exposed to our product -- regardless of how the


licensee further developed or changed that product -- as if it were part of our original licensed product.

8. During my tenure at AT&T and USL, I regularly communicated these core contractual protections to UNIX licensees and prospective licensees, including, for example, when I dealt directly with such parties in my capacities as an Account Executive and Contract Manager. In communicating the contractual protections to such parties, I often relied on consultation with AT&T's attorneys.

9. In my experience, AT&T refused to compromise its core intellectual property protections -- even in response to specific licensee requests and even at the expense of losing prospective licensees. I am not aware of any instance in which AT&T agreed (in any licensee agreement or any supplement, modification, or side letter thereto) to reduce AT&T's protection under a UNIX license so as to protect against the unauthorized use or disclosure of just source code.

10. Like many AT&T and USL Account Executives and Contract Managers, I handled educational licenses along with commercial and governmental licenses. The terms of all


of AT&T's UNIX license agreements -- commercial, educational and governmental -- contained substantially the same core protections for AT&T's technological innovations, and the training I received concerning those protections applied across the board to all of those types of licenses.

11. In November and December of 1992, in the case of Unix System Laboratories v. Berkeley Software Design, et al., I testified about the scope of the UNIX license agreement protections in connection with a lawsuit that USL had filed against one of our educational licensees. For example:

a. With respect to the treatment of modifications and derivative works under Section 2.01 of the UNIX license agreement, I testified to my understanding that the agreement required licensees to "treat the derivative or modified work they had created with the same care they would our own software product, meaning adhering to the same terms and conditions that were here." Transcript, p. 134.

b. I further testified: "I look at the modification as being anything that they have developed as a result of being exposed to our software product and


this could be something -- not necessarily another operating system, but it could be, or could simply be another application, but anything that was developed as a result of exposure to our product then should be treated as our product." Transcript, p. 223.

c. Concerning the scope of Section 2.01, I also testified that "if a licensee is exposed to our code and that licensee develops a modification, a derivative work, an application or any type of software product as a result of seeing our code, then that product should be treated the same as our software product." Transcript, p. 224.

d. Similarly, I testified that the UNIX license agreement "doesn't necessary [sic] mean you have to have copied the exact code. You can also copy an idea or method or concept that you have presented in a different form, because there's going to be contamination, because if you have exposure to our software product, using the code or not using the code, but you have seen


our code, that makes me think that that still in a way contains part of our software product." Transcript, p. 219.

e. With respect to whether the agreement protected against only the copying of source code, I further testified: "You can prepare derivative work and you don't necessarily have to include code from our software product, but based on the fact it was based on our product you must have had to have some exposure to it and that work would be contaminated by our product." Transcript, pp. 220-21.

f. Concerning the views of my former colleagues in UNIX licensing, I testified that my understanding of the license agreements had been supported by conversations I had with Chuck Greene, Evelyn Davis, and Steve Vuksanovich; that Mr. Greene had specifically advised that "If they see our code and develop something, then they need to treat it like ours"; that Ms. Davis believed that if a licensee "developed a product, an application, after seeing our code," then the licensee "needed to protect the


product the same as our software product"; and that Mr. Vuksanovich "was in agreement" with "the fact that the licensee should treat that application the same as our software product." Transcript pp. 228-29, 231-32.

I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

Executed: ______1/4/2004______
Greensboro, North Carolina

Mitzi D. Bond


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