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| Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20 2003 @ 11:27 PM EDT |
Does anyone remember 'vaporware'? I can't think of any computer lingo that
better describes SCO's position.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 12:12 AM EDT |
| http://www.open-mag.c
om/features/Vol_24/GPL/gpl.htm
The GPL has apparently passed judicial scrutiny once before.
As Dana Carvey (as Johnny Carson) might say: "I did not know that. Weird wild
shtuff."
Indeed it is. IANAL but it sounds like legal precedent to me.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 02:34 AM EDT |
| I thought that the MySQL and NuSphere/Progress case was settled out of court.
The article says "The judge ruled that NuSphere can’t market products under the
MySQL trademark. Saris declined to get into the complexities of the GPL".
That doesn't sound like the GPL being backed up by case law to me.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 04:28 AM EDT |
| As the SCO debacle unfolds SCOX stock will obviously
collapse and SCO will file for bankruptcy protection.
My question is about the relationship between SCO and
their master The Canopy Group. Will any assets of the
Canopy Group be available to creditors ? How will IBM,
Red Hat and others harmed by SCO's willful misconduct be
compensated ?
Should the open source community be alert to SCO asset
transfers in anticipation of bankruptcy ? I don't mean just
SCO stock transfers but all assets that might be shifted
to evade liquidation ? How can the open source community
monitor such activities ?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 06:02 AM EDT |
| gumout: IANAL; but as pj argued on the site several weeks ago, "piercing the
corporate veil" is a possibility. It is not something that will happen by
default.
The decision to pierce is with the judge (or a jury?). It will only happen
when Canopy influences limit SCO to act as an independent company. Unusual asset
transfers can be an indication of this.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:17 AM EDT |
i just do not understand the stock market.the shares are climbing????
have i missed an anouncement? someone want to explain the rational behind this
thanks br3n
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:18 AM EDT |
i just do not understand the stock market.the shares are climbing????
have i missed an anouncement? someone want to explain the rational behind this
thanks br3n
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:28 AM EDT |
i just do not understand the stock market.the shares are climbing????
have i missed an anouncement? someone want to explain the rational behind this
thanks br3n
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:33 AM EDT |
| brenda, i speculate this is why
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Articles/StockPicks/P50807.asp
This is the same "Jonathan Cohen of JHC Capital Management, who is buying
shares"
htt
p://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_25/b3838120_mz027.htm
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:39 AM EDT |
I suspect a combination of program trading, penny stock speculators, boiler room
operators and Wall Street firms which buy the stock as an extremely speculative
investment. Those who think they know what they are doing are probably betting
that if worst comes to worst, they'll get out of the investment before the other
dope dope. In the case where SCO-scum wins, well ... My list of culprits is of
course nonexclusive. Even though I have an MBA, I have found the ways of finance
strange at times but as as has been shown by the dot com bubble, the combination
of high tech stocks and technically illiterate stockbrokers is about as
explosive as fire and gasoline - and probably just as if not more
destructive.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:39 AM EDT |
I suspect a combination of program trading, penny stock speculators, boiler room
operators and Wall Street firms which buy the stock as an extremely speculative
investment. Those who think they know what they are doing are probably betting
that if worst comes to worst, they'll get out of the investment before the other
dope dope. In the case where SCO-scum wins, well ... My list of culprits is of
course nonexclusive. Even though I have an MBA, I have found the ways of finance
strange at times but as as has been shown by the dot com bubble, the combination
of high tech stocks and technically illiterate stockbrokers is about as
explosive as fire and gasoline - and probably just as if not more
destructive.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 07:53 AM EDT |
| From the moneycentral link above, quoting analyst Jonathan Cohen:
"Cohen said the company's stock has done well this year on the back of solid
fundamentals.
It has an enormous base of intellectual property rights, he added."
Thus showing why stock analysis is so often worthless.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 08:00 AM EDT |
| Chuck,
that case was a demonstration of the validity of the GPL. It settled, like the
BSDi case, when the judge indicated which way he was going to go, when he wrote
that the GPL side seemed to have the stronger argument. When judges say things
like that, it often gets a case settled.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 08:11 AM EDT |
More Cohen
http://ww
w.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=19031947
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 09:55 AM EDT |
| Re: the open-mag article about the MySQL and NuSphere/Progress suit:
Is this the same Progress that's been mentioned recently as being a partner of
SCO? (Progress Software is listed as an `Alliance Partner' on the SCO
website.)
Birds of a feather violate the GPL together?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 01:26 PM EDT |
Cohen is obviously one of the ethically challenged speculators I am referring
to. I won't be doing business with him any time soon.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 01:30 PM EDT |
Indeed it is the same company.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 21 2003 @ 01:51 PM EDT |
| Rick,
Yes, Progress Software is the one.
NuSphere (A Progress company) was sued by MySQL for trademark infringement,
breach of the interim agreement, breach of the GPL license, and unfair and
deceptive trade practices. The charges were that NuSphere didn't fulfill
contract obligations, used MySQL's trademark without permission and didn't make
source code changes available as required under the GPL. As PJ points out, the
judge's comments forced NuSphere to settle.
Dick Gingras - SCO caro mortuum
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