Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 11:20 AM EDT |
Looks like SCO's conference is getting lonlier by the minute. Joss of the Red Eyes[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 11:45 AM EDT |
SCO gets new (only?) covering broker recommendation?
http://biz.yahoo.com/z/a/s/scox.html
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:07 PM EDT |
Yeah but broker with a strong sell recommedation.
They dont see a rosey outlook for scox it would seem. Supa[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:15 PM EDT |
quaretermass: the point is that all the brokers covering SCOx are unanimous that
it is a strong sell ;-) And that after the morning blizzard of press
releases.... Greg T Hill[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:31 PM EDT |
http://www.eweek.com/
article2/0,3959,1224000,00.asp
A nice little picture of The Enemy there as well. Z[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:37 PM EDT |
I am looking for help from a quantum physicist:
I have a problem determining the validity of SCO's Linux license.
Dutch Law (Burgerlijk Wetboek Boek 6, Artikel 228) says (translated):
An agreement that is reached under misapprehension and which wouldn't be
closed under a correct view of affairs is nullifyable [...]
(a.o.) in cases of misrepresentation or mutual misapprehension.
So, if SCO suggest that you need a runtime Linux license and an examination
of SCO's proof doesn't show the necessity of such a license, one could ask
a judge to rollback the transaction. Is such a licence valid and
enforcable? Such a license shows significant similarities to
Schrödingers cat; it is a kind of unlicense. As a programmer I
have difficulties with boolean expressions that can be both true
and false at the same time.
SCO must be expecting some trouble from the Linux camp as they say in their
license (all shouting is theirs!):
8.0 LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SCO OR ITS REPRESENTATIVES BE LIABLE FOR ANY
[...] DAMAGES, [...], ARISING OUT OF [...], BREACH OF CONTRACT,
MISREPRESENTATION, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY IN TORT OR OTHERWISE [...]
This is the kind of clause that makes me frown; I've frowned the whole
weekend and am still not over it. SCO implicitly admits misrepresentation
and misrepresentation makes the license voidable, when misrepresentation
void the license it also voids the clause. When the licence is enforcable
misrepresentation is no defence against the license. Quantum logic help me!
I realy need help from a profesional to enumerate quantum states. I did
only 10% of the analysis and am totally lost! I wouldn't
be surprised though when the license vanishes in a puff of quantum logic
during professional analysis. MathFox[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:51 PM EDT |
MathFox:
Quantum theory gives me a nonzero probability of passing unharmed through a
brick wall when I throw myself at it at high speed.
It gives gives a very much larger probability that my subatomic components gets
inextricably mixed up with thoose of the wall trapping me there forever, not a
very nice state to be in.
But the most probable outcome (by very many orders of magitude) is that I simply
bash myself to death against the wall.
Some would call that justice. Magnus Lundin[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 01:21 PM EDT |
Eben Moglen writes about latest GPL attack:
http://newsfo
rge.com/newsforge/03/08/18/160200.shtml?tid=23 David Person[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 01:36 PM EDT |
Magnus, I can do probablity calculus; I wouldn't mind to do the computations
that give 100-ε% probability users are defrauded from all the money they
gave to SCO. But i need someone to help me set up the equations. MathFox[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 02:11 PM EDT |
This is getting silly. Schrödinger's cat is an attempt to explain quantum
effects in a manner that lay-people can understand and has no basis of fact at
the macro level. Schrödinger's equations are a sum of complex cyclical
functions covering all possible outcomes, the area under the curve represented
by the absolute value of the square of said function giving the probability of
the outcome. It has no solution until the waveforms collapse to a single wave
equation which is said to only occur on observation. Since the equations are
complex exponentials, there are no binary solutions, merely continuous
probability area curves.
It is a similar deal with electron tunneling. This occurs with free electrons on
a quantum scale and not when bound in the shell of an atom. There is zero
percent chance of a macro level object going through any kind of barrier through
quantum tunneling.
Most people don't understand quantum physics. Hell, most physicists don't
understand quantum physics. As such, by Occam's Razor, it is probably an
incorrect model of nature. Other models based on alternate physics (such as
aether theory) are gaining popularity again as they do a better job of
explaining physical observations in the laboratory than quantum mechanics or
special and general relativity.
Now THIS is clearly an example of over-thinking the problem. :) J.F.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 03:56 PM EDT |
MathFox,
Try not to overthink this problem.
Neither of us are lawyers, we both are programmers -- of different generations,
for sure. For us trying to read, and
understand a contract that is written in legalese is a difficult as it would be
for a lawyer to try to read some assembly code and
to understand our logic...
Simply stated legalese != standard english. (same words, often way different
meanings. Likewise legal logic != maths logic (for the same reason, different
model).
Took me a long time to figure out. D.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 04:06 PM EDT |
Let's stop talking quantum physics... Are you Americans not recovered from the
collective blackout yet?
Here is a company that writes:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SCO OR ITS REPRESENTATIVES BE LIABLE FOR ANY [...]
DAMAGES, [...], ARISING OUT OF [...], BREACH OF CONTRACT,
MISREPRESENTATION, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY IN TORT OR
OTHERWISE [...]. In other words "By signing this contract you give us permission
to screw you in every opening" (Sorry for the verbiage Pamela).
Oh sweet irony, this is from the company that says that software providers
should idemnify their customers against infringement. This looks more like
"wielding the contracts you have against your customers". And where do the
comments say... You shouldn't use the metaphor of Schrödinger's cat for
SCO's licenses. I think you're right, SCO is stuffing the boxes with dead cats
to start with. MathFox[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 05:02 PM EDT |
MathFox,
In that idemnicatifacation (sic) agreement, the way I read it is that Caldera
was saying "If we goofed -- your'e SOL, tough luck".
(standard disclaimer)/*alas this radio.comments /*breaks well formed C D.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 05:28 PM EDT |
extern virtual bool Schrodinger's_cat_is_alive ( ) ;
int main() {
if ( Schrodinger's_cat_is_alive( ) )
run_normally( ) ;
else
crash_windows( ) ;
return 0 ;
}
Sorry, couldn't resist. Steve Martin[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 05:39 PM EDT |
ROTFLMAO! D.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19 2003 @ 12:58 AM EDT |
D.: Yes, I am a programmer; different generation than you, different timezone
too.
I was (am) involved in local politics and started reading some laws and legal
commentaries. I am not a lawyer, but I can read and understand laws, verdicts
and most of the time contracts. I know that there are gigantic holes in my legal
knowledge.
What lawyers try to do is use the fuzzy English (or Dutch :-) ) language to
perscribe as exactly as possible what actions should be taken in a certain
situation. Most of the law as we know it is "exception handling". The average
contract contains three clauses describing the normal case, the other 33 clauses
are there for handling exceptions. When the exception handlers in the contract
don't catch the exception you automaticly fall back to the clauses in the law.
We have judges for parties that aren't mature enough to handle problems in
talks on their own. Or when the contracts are so convoluted that they are lost
in the maze of clauses. Keep it simple is also important in the legal department
and the law. MathFox[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19 2003 @ 08:27 AM EDT |
MathFox,
Points well made.
I too have played my part in state and local politics, and did some SA work for
a public interest law firm. I, too, have learned the benefits of simple clarity
in writing contracts and in law. D.[ Reply to This | # ]
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