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HP VP Pulls Out of SCO Forum Keynote Speechifying
Monday, August 18 2003 @ 02:11 PM EDT

I was expecting this. eWeek is reporting:

"It appears that Hewlett-Packard Co. also got cold feet. As late as last week, SCO was telling attendees that HP would be giving a partner keynote at the forum on Tuesday morning. But on Sunday the schedule of events given to attendees when they registered makes no mention of an HP keynote.

"The keynote that was to be given by an HP executive is now scheduled to be made by Maggie Alexander, a vice president at SCO partner Progress Software.

"However, whatever the reason for the withdrawal of its keynote speaker, HP still sponsored the Sunday night welcome reception at the MGM Grand for Forum 2003 attendees, which was well attended and included food and drinks."


Well attended by whom? Passersby? Or people in the industry outside of SCO and Canopy group? If anyone attended, Groklaw would love a first-hand report. Relying on the mainstream press, well... you know.


  


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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 11:20 AM EDT
Looks like SCO's conference is getting lonlier by the minute.
Joss of the Red Eyes

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 11:45 AM EDT
SCO gets new (only?) covering broker recommendation?

http://biz.yahoo.com/z/a/s/scox.html


quatermass

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:07 PM EDT
Yeah but broker with a strong sell recommedation.

They dont see a rosey outlook for scox it would seem.


Supa

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:15 PM EDT
quaretermass: the point is that all the brokers covering SCOx are unanimous that
it is a strong sell ;-) And that after the morning blizzard of press
releases....
Greg T Hill

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:31 PM EDT
http://www.eweek.com/ article2/0,3959,1224000,00.asp

A nice little picture of The Enemy there as well.


Z

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:37 PM EDT
I am looking for help from a quantum physicist:

I have a problem determining the validity of SCO's Linux license. Dutch Law (Burgerlijk Wetboek Boek 6, Artikel 228) says (translated):
An agreement that is reached under misapprehension and which wouldn't be closed under a correct view of affairs is nullifyable [...]
(a.o.) in cases of misrepresentation or mutual misapprehension.

So, if SCO suggest that you need a runtime Linux license and an examination of SCO's proof doesn't show the necessity of such a license, one could ask a judge to rollback the transaction. Is such a licence valid and enforcable? Such a license shows significant similarities to Schrödingers cat; it is a kind of unlicense. As a programmer I have difficulties with boolean expressions that can be both true and false at the same time.

SCO must be expecting some trouble from the Linux camp as they say in their license (all shouting is theirs!):

8.0 LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SCO OR ITS REPRESENTATIVES BE LIABLE FOR ANY [...] DAMAGES, [...], ARISING OUT OF [...], BREACH OF CONTRACT, MISREPRESENTATION, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY IN TORT OR OTHERWISE [...]

This is the kind of clause that makes me frown; I've frowned the whole weekend and am still not over it. SCO implicitly admits misrepresentation and misrepresentation makes the license voidable, when misrepresentation void the license it also voids the clause. When the licence is enforcable misrepresentation is no defence against the license. Quantum logic help me!

I realy need help from a profesional to enumerate quantum states. I did only 10% of the analysis and am totally lost! I wouldn't be surprised though when the license vanishes in a puff of quantum logic during professional analysis.


MathFox

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 12:51 PM EDT
MathFox: Quantum theory gives me a nonzero probability of passing unharmed through a brick wall when I throw myself at it at high speed.

It gives gives a very much larger probability that my subatomic components gets inextricably mixed up with thoose of the wall trapping me there forever, not a very nice state to be in.

But the most probable outcome (by very many orders of magitude) is that I simply bash myself to death against the wall.

Some would call that justice.


Magnus Lundin

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 01:21 PM EDT
Eben Moglen writes about latest GPL attack:

http://newsfo rge.com/newsforge/03/08/18/160200.shtml?tid=23


David Person

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 01:36 PM EDT
Magnus, I can do probablity calculus; I wouldn't mind to do the computations that give 100-ε% probability users are defrauded from all the money they gave to SCO. But i need someone to help me set up the equations.
MathFox

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 02:11 PM EDT
This is getting silly. Schrödinger's cat is an attempt to explain quantum effects in a manner that lay-people can understand and has no basis of fact at the macro level. Schrödinger's equations are a sum of complex cyclical functions covering all possible outcomes, the area under the curve represented by the absolute value of the square of said function giving the probability of the outcome. It has no solution until the waveforms collapse to a single wave equation which is said to only occur on observation. Since the equations are complex exponentials, there are no binary solutions, merely continuous probability area curves.

It is a similar deal with electron tunneling. This occurs with free electrons on a quantum scale and not when bound in the shell of an atom. There is zero percent chance of a macro level object going through any kind of barrier through quantum tunneling.

Most people don't understand quantum physics. Hell, most physicists don't understand quantum physics. As such, by Occam's Razor, it is probably an incorrect model of nature. Other models based on alternate physics (such as aether theory) are gaining popularity again as they do a better job of explaining physical observations in the laboratory than quantum mechanics or special and general relativity.

Now THIS is clearly an example of over-thinking the problem. :)


J.F.

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 03:56 PM EDT
MathFox,

Try not to overthink this problem.

Neither of us are lawyers, we both are programmers -- of different generations, for sure. For us trying to read, and understand a contract that is written in legalese is a difficult as it would be for a lawyer to try to read some assembly code and to understand our logic...

Simply stated legalese != standard english. (same words, often way different meanings. Likewise legal logic != maths logic (for the same reason, different model).

Took me a long time to figure out.


D.

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 04:06 PM EDT
Let's stop talking quantum physics... Are you Americans not recovered from the collective blackout yet?

Here is a company that writes: UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL SCO OR ITS REPRESENTATIVES BE LIABLE FOR ANY [...] DAMAGES, [...], ARISING OUT OF [...], BREACH OF CONTRACT, MISREPRESENTATION, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY IN TORT OR OTHERWISE [...]. In other words "By signing this contract you give us permission to screw you in every opening" (Sorry for the verbiage Pamela).

Oh sweet irony, this is from the company that says that software providers should idemnify their customers against infringement. This looks more like "wielding the contracts you have against your customers". And where do the comments say... You shouldn't use the metaphor of Schrödinger's cat for SCO's licenses. I think you're right, SCO is stuffing the boxes with dead cats to start with.


MathFox

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 05:02 PM EDT
MathFox,

In that idemnicatifacation (sic) agreement, the way I read it is that Caldera was saying "If we goofed -- your'e SOL, tough luck".

(standard disclaimer)/*alas this radio.comments /*breaks well formed C


D.

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 05:28 PM EDT
extern virtual bool Schrodinger's_cat_is_alive ( ) ;

int main() {

if ( Schrodinger's_cat_is_alive( ) ) run_normally( ) ; else crash_windows( ) ; return 0 ; }

Sorry, couldn't resist.


Steve Martin

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 18 2003 @ 05:39 PM EDT
ROTFLMAO!
D.

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19 2003 @ 12:58 AM EDT
D.: Yes, I am a programmer; different generation than you, different timezone too.

I was (am) involved in local politics and started reading some laws and legal commentaries. I am not a lawyer, but I can read and understand laws, verdicts and most of the time contracts. I know that there are gigantic holes in my legal knowledge.

What lawyers try to do is use the fuzzy English (or Dutch :-) ) language to perscribe as exactly as possible what actions should be taken in a certain situation. Most of the law as we know it is "exception handling". The average contract contains three clauses describing the normal case, the other 33 clauses are there for handling exceptions. When the exception handlers in the contract don't catch the exception you automaticly fall back to the clauses in the law.

We have judges for parties that aren't mature enough to handle problems in talks on their own. Or when the contracts are so convoluted that they are lost in the maze of clauses. Keep it simple is also important in the legal department and the law.


MathFox

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19 2003 @ 08:27 AM EDT
MathFox,

Points well made.

I too have played my part in state and local politics, and did some SA work for a public interest law firm. I, too, have learned the benefits of simple clarity in writing contracts and in law.


D.

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