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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 10:51 AM EDT

I go to the url for the White House meeting going on right now, and nothing I own will do the live streaming. I can get the text running at the bottom, but no video. Can you guys figure out if it is possible? If it's just me, that's one thing. But if it is everyone who isn't using Microsoft products, that is something else.

Here are the instructions from TV Worldwide on what you need:
PC-based Windows 2000 or higher systems:
* Windows Media (current version is 11)
* Flash player (current version is 10)
* Real Player (current version is 11)
MAC OS X systems:
* Windows Media (last version for Mac is 9)
* Free Flip4Mac Plugin to watch WMV with QuickTime (Current version is 2.x)
NOTE: It is possible that even with the Flip4Mac plugin installed, the video may not play in embedded in the webpage due to problems with ActiveX and Mozilla-based browsers. If this is the case, you may still be able to watch a Windows Media video webcast in your QuickTime player separately from the webpage. To do this, please be sure you have the Flip4Mac plugin installed and contact one of the technical support phone numbers above. Tell the person that you need to know the URL of the video stream to enter into your QuickTime player (Open URL under the File Menu in QuickTime).

Minimum System Requirements:

* Microsoft Windows 2000 or higher with latest updates installed, or Mac OS X 10.3 or higher
* Firefox 1.1+, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5+, or Safari 1.0+ (NOTE: Due to Firefox not supporting ActiveX components, however, there are some limitations to using Firefox - particularly with captioned webcasts.)
* A broadband connection with 500+ Kbps for continuous playback.
* 233 megahertz (MHz) processor,
* 64 megabytes (MB) of RAM
* 100MB free Hard Disk Space
* 16-bit (or higher) Sound Card,
* Speakers or headphones, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 or higher,
* Windows Media Player 9 or higher and or Flash player version 9 or higher.
What is puzzling me is why wouldn't Real Player work on a Mac for this if it works on a PC? Mac users are exiled too, unless they have Windows stuff installed, which I don't. I tried the flip4Mac plugin, but as they predicted, it doesn't work. My Mac is too old, I guess.

Update: I just heard from Rick Stanley of RSI, a Linux consulting company, who tells me he contacted the streaming company and pointed out we Linux users would appreciate access. The result was very positive, and they said they'd get right on it. So, if you have particular technical suggestions to speed them on their way, please do post them. Stanley already mentioned Firefox and IceWeasel.


  


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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: tiger99 on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:04 AM EDT
Not good. This link says:
# Microsoft Windows 2000 or higher with latest updates installed, or Mac OS X 10.3 or higher
# Firefox 1.1+, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5+, or Safari 1.0+ (NOTE: Due to Firefox not supporting ActiveX components, however, there are some limitations to using Firefox - particularly with captioned webcasts.)
# A broadband connection with 500+ Kbps for continuous playback.
# 233 megahertz (MHz) processor,
# 64 megabytes (MB) of RAM
# 100MB free Hard Disk Space
# 16-bit (or higher) Sound Card,
# Speakers or headphones, Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 or higher,
# Windows Media Player 9 or higher and or Flash player version 9 or higher.
The machine I am on right now is definitely non-compliant, so I am about to move to one with Kubuntu 9.04 where the flash etc may be more up to date.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: rsmith on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:04 AM EDT

According to this support page only Windows 2000 and later or mac OS X 10.3 or higher are supported.

I tried Firefox 3.5.2 on FreeBSD amd64 with the gnash plugin, and with the page in question temporarily allowed in noscript, but no joy.

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Intellectual Property is an oxymoron.

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some quick results
Authored by: sumzero on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:06 AM EDT
windows with firefox [disabled adblock] - doesn't work

windows with ie - works

don't have the time atm to do a more in-depth analysis [at work!]...

sum.zero

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that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman.

alan j perlis

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: achurch on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:06 AM EDT

I had to delve into the HTML source, but I was able to view the stream by using:

mplayer mms://tvworldwide.wmlive.internapcdn.ne t/live_tvworldwide_vitalstream_com_090806-Pcast

(I extracted the URL from the "Backup Stream" link.)

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Works here
Authored by: ak on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:16 AM EDT
I am currently listening to and viewing the "backup" stream. I am
using Debian (near bleeding edge), Iceweasel 3.0.12, Totem Browser-Plugin
2.26.2, GStreamer 0.10.23.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: webster on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:18 AM EDT
I get streaming text only on windows 2000.

It refers me to plug ins.

The plug ins don't load but it prompts for "Manual" installation.

I go to the manual installation site and it only lists plug ins for XP and
Vista. I'm tempted to try XP plug in, but...

I give up.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: ausage on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:49 AM EDT
Its works OK for me on Unbuntu Jaunty using Firefox, but it did take 3 or 4
tried to get the connection.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Gringo on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:52 AM EDT
I get streaming text only, on modern, up to date WinXP.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: buckettruckdave on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:53 AM EDT
The backup stream works for me. Using Ubuntu 8.10 (fully updated) Firefox 3.0.13
loaded with every plugin known to mankind lol ( good bad and ugly ) Extra repos
enabled including medibuntu.

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Linux -- Its "NOT" in there.

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PJ - check your email - the transcript for 7/27/09 is in.
Authored by: Gringo on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:55 AM EDT
527 pages! My contribution to Groklaw.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: softbear on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:55 AM EDT
Slackware 12.2 --- as configured (not plain vanilla by any stretch) --- only
the streaming text comes through.

Not very promising...

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IANAL, etc.

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Other browsers
Authored by: DebianUser on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:58 AM EDT
Iceape 1.1.14 and Opera 9.22 both fail to cope with it on my Debian testing
setup. Konquerer is blocking the popup, and I don't use it enough to know how to
enable that.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Gringo on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:06 PM EDT
The server must be out of streams.
Too bad the UDP Broadcast protocol never took off,
or we could all watch it!

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Debian Testing...
Authored by: rsi on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:09 PM EDT
Java 6 and java 6 plugin installed. Epiphany Web broswer, using the Backup
Stream. The first one does not work correctly.

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Members Only - Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: mhoyes on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:13 PM EDT
Well, I can see the test video. They have taken a break for lunch so I can't
see if it works or not. The only thing I had to do was load the gstreamer-ugly
package and it allowed me to see ASF files.

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I can open the Pcast directly.
Authored by: gfolkert on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:15 PM EDT
mms://tvworldwide.wmlive.internapcdn.net/live_tvworldwide_vitalstream_com_090806
-Pcast

(that is all supposed to on one line)

That URI is what I copied into Totem Movie Player on (current) Debian Sid.

Currently they are on Lunch and will be back in 2 hours.

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*sigh*
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:21 PM EDT
If people can open the podcast directly but there is something about the web
interface that makes it windows software only.

Then the webadmin needs to be educated/replaced. There is no *good* reason for
the web interface to be system specific.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: PolR on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:36 PM EDT
This whole event should help drive home the point of open standard. IIRC Groklaw
has received an official invitation to this broadcast. And now members are
unable to use this invitation because their choice of technology doesn't match
the ones made by the White House. The whole point of open standards is to make
sure this sort of things don't happen while preserving everyone's freedom to
choose they supplier.

Since Groklaw has received an invitation, I guess Groklaw has a strong standing
to make an official complaint.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 12:59 PM EDT
When the player window pops up, it will have an error if you don't have the
M$ plugin.

0. Download VLC from http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
1. Click the link to the stream. When the view window fails, View Source.
2. Search for the stream URL that starts with mms://
From the Backup Stream:
mms://tvworldwide.wmlive.internapcdn.net/live_tvworldwide_vitalstream_co
m_090806-Pcast
3. In VLC File->Open->Network, paste into URL line
4. Click Open.
5. During participation complain about (having to work around)
anticompetitive "standards" ;^)

Works in Mac OS X. Plus, VLC is great tool to have, plays anything.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 01:12 PM EDT
On Mandriva 2008.0 with Firefox 3.5.2, I've got elevator music and a small video
screen telling me the meeting is in a break. Below that it tells me my browser
is not Java-enabled, which is of course nonsense, and that therefore I will not
be able to see the text displays. Don't ask me which plugin is getting me this
far, though I think it's mplayer.

For amusement, I tried Windows Vista (just got a new Lenovo laptop) with Firefox
3.5.2. There I don't have the player, but do have the text-slide area. It is
demanding WMP 11 and Internet Explorer. With that combo (IE8), I can see both
the test video and the accompanying slides, and the little man in the video even
invited me over for drinks with him and Steve Ballmer. I declined.



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Linux Mint 5 Elyssa
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 01:14 PM EDT
Running Firefox 3.0.12

@ 12:15 CentralDaylightSaving

Ran the test
Got Audio & Video

Seemed to be no problems

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Fails here
Authored by: bbaston on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 01:19 PM EDT
Under the movie area here, it says,
"Captions will appear here in Internet Exporer"
which I strongly feel should say
"Captions will appear here in Internet Exploder"
Then -- after issuing permissions to NoScript -- I ran all choices unsuccessfully, finishing with the "test your video" choice, and got an error window which said
An error occurred

The playback of this movie requires a Microsoft Media Server (MMS) protocol source plugin which is not installed.

Since I'm running PCLinuxOS with freshly-updated Firefox 3.5.2, methinks the US Government has purposely excluded my participation.

It's be more rare than a cold day in Hades when I run ANYTHING by Microsoft on a Linux OS -- except perhaps under Wine, though that's basically to run applications not [yet] available natively to Linux.

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IMBW, IANAL2, IMHO, IAVO
imaybewrong, iamnotalawyertoo, inmyhumbleopinion, iamveryold

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 01:20 PM EDT
SLED 11 worked fine for me.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: mwarfield on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 01:23 PM EDT
Working fine on Fedora 10 w/ FF 3.0.13 (just updated this morning). Had to use
the back stream, though. Could be just server load.

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Ubuntu, Seamonkey 1.1.15, no good.
Authored by: argee on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 01:34 PM EDT
But, I can watch DVD's and You Tube just fine.

This site is apparently on mms, a Microsoft product. Just
another Microsoft thing.

Since 1995, for me, if it don't work on Linux, I take my
business elsewhere. Too bad for this Kenyan born president.



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argee

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 02:12 PM EDT
I'm at work and required to us Vista. I had to install Windows Media v11 add on
to Firefox. Even with that, the 1st link didn't work but the backup link did.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 02:14 PM EDT
One more note. I'm "anonymous" with the Mandriva-Firefox/Vista-IE8
combination. I can see the speakers on both,and the only thing missing on
Mandriva is the streaming text which appears below the video in Vista/IE. They
could have done better with this, but as it is it's not too bad. I do hope
they'll learn.

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forget MP3s -- 341 hearings as multimedia downloads
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 02:21 PM EDT
Wouldn't be cool if court hearings were captured in a live
format that allowed playback on common multimedia players.

Imagine a 341 hearing for SCO with facial expressions, or a
conversion hearing, with body language.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: snakebitehurts on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 02:35 PM EDT
Unbelievable!

My main desktop is a locked down XP machine. I can't get it to work. I'm using
Firefox, NoScript, Adblock Plus, and a good (not microsoft) Firewall.

I can't make it work, even after turning most of them off. It wants to install
Java components, wants me to open firewall to who knows what, and wants me to
install Windows Media Player 11. I'm not doing that.

If even locked up my PC requiring a reboot when I was clicking "no" on
the "install this" junk.

I guess you need a plain old XP type machine that allows this website to install
anything it wants to make it work.

Didn't try it on my VM Ubuntu.

MikeD

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 02:52 PM EDT
I am concerned that participation in this and other White House activities,
including video communications, requires an agreement with Adobe Systems. Even
when the video recording of this event is made available, it will require a
license from the MPEG Consortium to decode the file. This is no way to run a
democracy, where corporations dictate the terms by which citizens can
participate.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 04:19 PM EDT
worked for me, in the UK, through the web page, on Ubuntu 9.04

Mark

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  • Works for me too - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 04:33 PM EDT
Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: idahoan on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 04:32 PM EDT
Good stream here on OpenBSD 4.5 and mplayer.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: fredex on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 04:39 PM EDT
FWIW: running Centos 5.3 (a recent install, fully updated) and AM able to see
and hear the ALTERNATE stream, but not the first one on the list. Firefox uses
mplayer which seems to work just fine for this.

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: jacks4u on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 05:43 PM EDT
Suse 11.1 with Adobe flash 10,0,22,87, Realplayer 11.0.1.1056(gold) Firefox
3.0.11 and even Mplayer on my box can't open the stream.

it seems to me that the WhiteHouse needs to be 'educated' as to the number of
Linux only households, and the comparative numbers of the Linux community.

hmmm
Is there a list or site somewhere where Linux contributions to technology are
listed? For instance, cluster technologies, the stuff Google was built on,
etc... The intenntion is to show just how important the Linux and FOSS
communities are???

After all, we are not all just a bunch longhairs on the edge of society. There's
a whole community here, with many many people, and yes, we would very much like
to be included in especially Science and Technology discussions.


---
I'm not a Lawyer, this is my opinion only. I may be wrong, but I don't think so!

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 08:29 PM EDT
Since the live stream is not live right now, I tried the "Test your player
prior to the Event", and it played fine...

- Fedora 11 x86_64
- Firefox 3.52 (with AdBlock)
- (Alpha) flash plugin v10.0.32.18-1.x86_64

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Open Government - this is why Open Codecs are important
Authored by: The Mad Hatter r on Thursday, August 06 2009 @ 11:49 PM EDT

Of course here I'm singing to the choir.


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Wayne

http://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/

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Thursday, August 6, 11:06 MST
Authored by: tyche on Friday, August 07 2009 @ 02:08 AM EDT
I just checked, using the test, and I could get it. I had to allow JavaScript
for the site.

Thursday, August 6, 11:06 MST (Friday, August 7, 06:06 UTC)

Craig
Tyche

---
"The Truth shall Make Ye Fret"
"TRUTH", Terry Pratchett

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MacOS 10.5.8 + latest flash + latest Flip4Mac + latest VLC etc
Authored by: garbage on Friday, August 07 2009 @ 07:02 AM EDT
Does not work.
Error message about missing WMP plugin.

Roll on HTML 5!

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Second day, backup stream gone
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 07 2009 @ 11:01 AM EDT
Well, Although I had success yesterday with the backup stream,
the link for that is gone today. I now have what PJ had.
Captions, but nothing else.

The certainly did get right on it. What limited access
I had with Linux yesterday, is gone today. Oh well.

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Ubuntu 9.04 + Medibuntu repros
Authored by: bigbert on Friday, August 07 2009 @ 07:52 PM EDT
+ VLC

Works fine.

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Computo, ergo sum.

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A little audio help needed
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 07 2009 @ 10:10 PM EDT
With PJ sick as a dog.... (hope you are getting better!)

I have the June 15 court audio I have been trying to get to PJ. It uses the
"free" FTR player and uses extension .trm

I have been struggling with this for over a week now. I want to convert it to
.mp3. The FTR player allows saving in .wma and .wav formats. But the results
require an "8180" codec - which I cannot find. I'm doing this on an
XP box. Have tried several codec packs.

Does anyone have an idea how to covert .trm files to .mp3 that others can just
play?

Please don't make this a monster thread. Any resulting conversion will go to
PJ.

Anyone can order audio transcripts from the court. They cost $26.

The FTR Player only work on windoze boxes. :(

Thanks

MikeD

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Can Anyone make the White House streaming work?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, August 16 2009 @ 10:07 PM EDT
I am not impressed. It says that flash player 9 should work. When I select a
session, it says that that session is now playing. I have a flash player movie
window, but clicking on play accomplishes nothing. Further, when I click on
the sound control my browser crashes. I have no problem playing youtube video.

Further it requires broadband connection. Not everyone in this country can
afford it. There is still a digital divide. With a party that claims to fight
for the disadvantaged, I am disillusioned.

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