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I have some screenshots from an old Caldera OpenLinux Lite CD that a member still had in his possession to show you. They disprove certain allegations SCO has made regarding Linux, I think, in the IBM litigation. For example, SCO claimed that it never released anything under the GPL. And it tried to allege that some headers and other features were their property and that Linux infringes them. I will show you differently. Interestingly, the CD's Credits file mentions Ralph Yarro, among others. The copyright information states that they used Red Hat's Linux and then added some tweaks of their own to it, and they list files and applications that were not under the GPL, and none of the files in the screenshots are listed as excluded. All the rest, they say, were distributed under the GPL. The Announce file is particularly interesting, because it mentions ELF directly, and that speaks to whether SCO knew what they were distributing under the GPL.
I asked Dr Stupid to look at the screenshots and tell me what it means to him, and here's what he told me: Well, it's confirmatory evidence that Caldera shipped errno and
STREAMS under the GPL, in particular that they took the conscious
decision to include STREAMS (since Red Hat didn't.)
The ANNOUNCE file, where they specifically point out ELF support, is
useful as it shows that inclusion of elf support was not accidental.
And at the time, it was still just about possible to create a Linux
system that only used a.out (i.e. to remove ELF support) although it
would have been a lot of work if you were starting with a copy of Red Hat.
So, let me show you the screenshots now.
The person who sent the screenshots from OpenLinux Lite listed the contents, and I'll show you the screenshots interspersed with his description, which I've placed between the rows of stars:
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I have attached a number of screen shots from Caldera OpenLinux Lite
version 1.1 (1997). These files show the following:
A) Caldera-OL - This file shows the package, a flyer, and CD-ROM.
I have had this since 1997 or 98 (or some time around then). It was
mailed to me along with a copy of Caldera OpenDOS ver. 7.01. These
disks have been in my possession since then. At the time I had never
heard of Caldera (or Linux) and had not requested these disks. I
assume that Caldera got my name from some other mailing list and sent
these as an unsolicited promotion. I assume that many other people
received the same disks (although no doubt most have thrown them out
by now). The OpenDOS disk was marked "Not for Commercial Use" but the
OpenLinux disk had no such marking.
B) Install-1 - This shows the install screen on boot-up.
C) Package-Selection - This shows the package selection in the
installer. I selected "install all packages" (#5). The default
selection is I think #3 or #4. The rest of the installation was as
much as possible according to defaults. I didn't specifically request
any source or header files. It looks like Caldera had a pretty good
installer for that era, which is probably why they were as prominent
as they were. It's not very impressive by today's standards of course.
D) First-Log-in - This shows the first log-in after installation.
This shows the Caldera version, date, and copyright notice. The "col"
username is a default which the Caldera installer creates. I assume it
stands for "Caldera Open Linux".
E) errno-listing, linux-ls, linux-lib-list - The infamous
"errno.h" file is actually two files. One is in the "asm" directory,
and one is on the "linux" directory (there are also additional copies
in the various microprocessor architecture sub-directories under
"asm"). Most of the error codes are in the one in the "asm" directory,
with the other file only containing a few more. There is also an
"errno.c" file under the "lib" directory. You will see in each case
that I used the "pwd" command to show the current directory, and the
"ls" command to list the files. For the "linux" directory I only
listed the files starting with "e", as there were too many files to
display what I wanted to show otherwise.
F) errno-contents - This shows the beginning of the "errno.h" file
from the "asm" directory.
G) errno-c - This shows the entire contents of the "errno.c" file
from the "lib" directory. It simply declares an int called errno.
Notice the copyright. The ".h" files don't appear to contain copyright
notices.
H) elf-contents - This shows the beginning of the "elf.h" file
from the "asm" directory.
I) linux-elf1, linux-elf2 - These show a couple of screens
from the "elf.h" file from the "linux" directory. Notice the comment
about using an interim value for EM_ALPHA while waiting for the
comittee to come up with a final number.
J) smp-contents - Here's the beginning of the "smp.h" file.
K) streams-comment1 - This was in the networking header file. Note
the comment about "I (RIB) want to rewrite sockets as streams". I
didn't record who RIB was (the name is further up in the file), but I
seem to recall that his e-mail had an ".edu" domain. I can look into
this again if it is significant, but I believe it was already
established that streams never went into the standard version of
Linux.
L) ANNOUNCE - This is a text file from the ISO. Note they specifically
mention elf support:
Caldera OpenLinux(TM) Lite 1.1
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OpenLinux is a Caldera-maintained distribution of the Linux
operating system. OpenLinux releases will continue to track
advances in the various freely-distributable software communities.
Caldera OpenLinux products use a standard Linux kernel, but they also
include several Caldera-specific features that are not part of other
Linux systems. Depending on the specific OpenLinux product, these may
include the Desktop interface, the menu-driven Installation program,
the CRiSP-LiTE editor, or other commercial software components.
This product, OpenLinux Lite 1.1, includes the CRiSP-LiTE editor
and a demonstration version of the Looking Glass Desktop interface
that expires 90 days after installation. (The remainder of the
graphical and operating systems continue to function un-interrupted.)
This release of Caldera OpenLinux uses the Linux 2.0.29 kernel.
The latest information about OpenLinux, this product, and other
forthcoming Caldera products can be found on Caldera's Web site at
http://www.caldera.com.
Features of OpenLinux
If you are new to Caldera products or Linux, a list of some key
features is provided below. If you are looking for a specific
feature, protocol or system, check the appendices of the Getting
Started Guide, the online documentation (start with the Caldera Info
icon on the Desktop), or send email to info@caldera.com with
your question.
- Full 32-bit architecture, supporting both ELF and a.out binaries
- Multi-tasking, multi-user
- X Window System distributed graphical environment (X11R6)
- Powerful Desktop interface (90 day demonstration version)
- Graphical default text editor - CRiSP-LiTE (vi and emacs also included)
- Ability to act as a client to other UNIX, Windows NT, and Windows95 systems
- Ability to act as a server to other UNIX, Windows NT, and Windows95 systems
- Remote management via telnet, rlogin, or with SNMP protocol (included)
- Complete Internet Server Suite, including
World Wide Web (Web server software included)
FTP
Email (SMTP - qmail, sendmail, smail)
Usenet News (NNTP)
gopher
finger
Telnet
Terminal server (host dial-in connections from a modem pool)
DNS and NIS
and many others...
- Internet Client access via web browser software.
Technical Support
Caldera OpenLinux Lite does not include any support. You are, however,
invited to search the support and Linux information archives on our
Web site at http://www.caldera.com. Other OpenLinux products include
email and telephone support. Contact Caldera or your Caldera reseller
for details.
If you have any problems using Caldera OpenLinux Lite, please
review the "Known Bug List" link after launching the Caldera Info icon
on the desktop. We continue to work on improving the ease-of-use of
Caldera products; your feedback is always welcome. You can send email to: [redacted]
M) LICENSE - This is a copy of the Caldera license from the ISO. Note
that they list three specific packages which have restricted
distribution. They say the rest "are distributed under the terms of
the GNU General Public License or
similar licenses which permit free and unrestricted redistribution".
You might want to have a look at the exact wording of the whole
license though, as I might be reading too much into it.
OpenLinux Lite License
Nearly all of the components that make up the OpenLinux Lite product
are distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License or
similar licenses which permit free and unrestricted redistribution.
However, several components of OpenLinux Lite are not governed by
these licenses. The following components are distributed as part
of the OpenLinux Lite product with the permission of the noted
copyright holder, and with the noted licenses granted:
1.Looking Glass desktop metaphor - Copyright Visix Software, Inc.,
90 day license for personal or commercial evaluation
2.LISA installation and administration utility - Copyright
Caldera and Linux Support Team, license for personal and
commercial use, without time restriction
3.CRiSP-LiTE(tm) text editor - Copyright Vital, Inc., license
for personal and commercial use, without time restriction.
OpenLinux Lite is provided without technical support of any kind,
though we invite you to browse the technical resources at our Web
site: http://www.caldera.com. Caldera welcomes feedback on OpenLinux
Lite. Please send comments by email to info@caldera.com.
The header and source files (".h" and ".c") files are packaged in RPM
files. I can't open old RPM files on my PC with a current version of
RPM (the older file formats are incompatible with newer RPM). I
therefore installed the CD into a QEMU virtual machine and looked at
the files there. The ANNOUNCE and LICENSE files I copied directly from
the ISO (since they're not in an RPM).
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How'd you enjoy the screenshots?
Now, to finish up, let's look at the Caldera credits, where we find Ralph Yarro, Bryan Sparks, Ransom Love, Jim Freeman, Ron Holt, etc. all listed. So I think it's fair to say they knew:
============================= CALDERA CREDITS =================================
Caldera is:
Bryan Sparks
Ron Holt
Jim Freeman
Greg Page
Ransom Love
Nick Wells
Sarah Lee
Stan Covington
Tim Bird
Allan Smart
Doug Cooper
Debi Thompson
Lyle Ball
Dean Taylor
Kevin Gee
Jon Meyer
Ming Jiang
Additional thanks to:
Jeff Barr (Vertex)
Ralf Flaxa (LST)
Stefan Probst (LST)
Raymund Will (LST)
Ralph Yarro (ArtFX/NFT)
Marc Ewing (Red Hat)
Donnie Barnes (Red Hat)
Erik Troan (Red Hat)
All of our beta testers
Banjo the Sea-Monkey(R)
Members of the original Novell "Corsair" team:
Peter Bartok
Tim Bird
Ken Ebert
Jim Freeman
Rob Hicks
Ron Holt
Ransom Love
David Mortenson
Greg Page
Doug Smith
Bryan Sparks
Nick Wells
Steve Willis
Ralph Yarro
For a good list of major contributors to the Linux effort (and whose work is
included in this product), consult /usr/src/linux/CREDITS on an installed
system.
Caldera Network Desktop
Release 1.0
17-January-1996
Caldera, Inc.
Orem, Utah, USA
The contents of this CDROM are Copyright (C) 1996 Red Hat Software,
Caldera Inc and others. Please see the individual copyright notices
in each source package for distribution terms. The distribution terms
of the tools copyrighted by Red Hat Software are as noted in the file COPYING.
This release includes major components from Red Hat Linux 2.1 and the LST
Installation.
Many packages on this CDROM are licensed commercial software and CANNOT
be redistributed. In particular, the LST install, the NetWare client,
Looking Glass desktop environment, Caldera font server/installer, Netscape
browser, Accelerated-X, CRiSP-LiTE and BACKUP.UNET packages are under license
and CANNOT be redistributed. They are licensed for use on a single machine
only.
See http://www.caldera.com/ for updated technical information and patches.
See also /etc/README after installation.
"Network Desktop" is a trademark of Caldera, Inc. See the Getting Started
Guide for a complete list of trademarks.
Isn't that interesting? They knew what they were distributing, don't you think?
Update: You can read the license agreement for OpenLinux 2.2 here.
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| Authored by: alisonken1 on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:15 PM EDT |
And a hint of the off topic in the title would be nice.
Don't forget clickes and follow the 'Post As HTML' instructions.
---
- Ken -
import std_disclaimer.py
Registered Linux user^W^WJohn Doe #296561
Slackin' since 1993
http://www.slackware.com
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| Authored by: alisonken1 on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:16 PM EDT |
Quick note of correction in title would help.
Follow with where correction goes here.
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- Ken -
import std_disclaimer.py
Registered Linux user^W^WJohn Doe #296561
Slackin' since 1993
http://www.slackware.com
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| Authored by: russellphoto on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:20 PM EDT |
Please make links clickable.
Russellphoto[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: designerfx on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:22 PM EDT |
I understand you mentioned the IBM trial but wouldn't this affect novell's case
too, PJ?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:48 PM EDT |
Useful content related to Read-Copy-Update to enrich previous discussions. Does
this paper refers to Unix System V?
A quote from the paper:
"This paper combines ideas from several RCU implementations in an attempt
to create an overall best algorithm, and presents a RCU-based implementation of
the System V IPC primitives... This implementation has been accepted into the
Linux 2.5 kernel."
http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/arcangeli/arcan
geli.pdf
Enjoy![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: ashtonp on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 02:52 PM EDT |
Here's a photo I sent to PJ about a year ago showing my collection of Caldera
products, including:
- OpenLinux (Standard, Lite, and eDesktop 2.4)
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Caldera Network Desktop
- Caldera WordPerfect and Motif Bundle
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StarOffice (Commercial and Not for Commercial versions)
- Adabas D
Relational Database
- Caldera Solutions CD
Hope I get this clicky
right since I haven't tried this before:
Caldera
Collage
Also hope that posting the link here doesn't open me up
to hackers ;-(
/ashtonp
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| Authored by: groklaw_fan on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 03:45 PM EDT |
Dear SCO financial backer,
In the Novell case, the judge indicated that SCO doesn't own the code it is
suing over. In the IBM case, the judges indicated that SCO has provided no
evidence to speak of and that there are no issues of fact that a jury needs to
decide.
Even if SCO is able to overturn all of the judges' rulings in both cases, which
is what they must do at a minimum, they would still have to go in front of a
jury after IBM has presented evidence along the lines of what is presented in
the above article.
Can you see now that there is no way that you can win these cases? Why throw
good money after bad?
Please just give it up, for your own sake. You have a zero percent chance of
making any money on this.
Best regards,
a friend[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 03:50 PM EDT |
Darl McBride: You just don't get it! That was Caldera at the time. As a
company we didn't know we were infringing Streams. When we bought the
copyrights and patents from Santa Cruz we realised we then owned streams. As
SCOG, we didn't want to release streams under the GPL.
Sane Logical
Reasoning: There's a few things wrong with that but picking one. So... let me
get this straight - as Caldera you released code under the GPL wherein you
didn't even know who the owner was so you didn't even know if you had a license
to copy let alone release it under the GPL?
Darl McBride [stamping feet
and turning in circles]: We're not the ones on trial here... IBM is... stop
turning things against us... that's not fair... I'm telling mommy! [stomps
off]
RAS[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 05:23 PM EDT |
I have a copies of both:
OpenLinux eServer 2.3 (copyright 2000)
and ...
SCO Linux Server Powered by UnitedLinux International. (copyright 2002)
The eServer version includes a disk that contains IBM software and a"
90-day license of IBM's WebSphere(tm)"
George
I'm not a registered user.
But I'm not hard to find.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Bill The Cat on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 05:36 PM EDT |
We've all known all along that the SCO execs have been lying through their teeth
since day one. They have lied to the courts. Lied to the press. Lied to us.
Lied to the SEC. In fact, they have lied to everybody.
The problem is the courts didn't care. The SEC doesn't care. The press didn't
care much (except Groklaw!!) and so the lying games goes on.
No surprises here.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 06:10 PM EDT |
I know that I have Caldera Linux v1.0, 1.2 and 1.2, 2.2 and 2.3, 3.0 and 3.1 in
the house. What would be useful from those disks/CDs?
I made a fair living supporting Caldera distributions of linux until the
lawsuits started. I am not happy with the way things played out.
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| Authored by: bwbees0 on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 06:34 PM EDT |
I thought it at least a little humorous that "Corsair" was chosen as a
name for a team. My Webster's dictionary defines corsair as:
1. a pirate,
2. a pirate ship
3. a privater, especially of Barbary
4. a fish, Sebastichthys rosaceus, of the Pacific Coast.
Cheers,
bwbees0[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 06:41 PM EDT |
Marc Ewing (Red Hat)
Donnie Barnes (Red Hat)
Erik Troan (Red
Hat)
I wonder what these folks would say if asked the right
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| Authored by: jws on Thursday, August 07 2008 @ 08:34 PM EDT |
I know that Caldera distributed this and left all the GPL trappings in, as has
been referenced at length here and elsewhere on Groklaw.
but have you spoken to what is more obvious here to me now that they were
"redistributing" redhat with modifications, not generating something
on their own, marking it GPL and going "ok".
On the one side, you have to live and die by what you publish, but if this
information was given to Caldera by Redhat is there not some analysis due on
whether the parties such as Yarro, etc., really were aware of the implications
here?
Caldera came into existence before merging and becoming SCO, so the whole notion
of Linux was operating probably in the culture that was in that part of the
operation, and the old "SCO" operation was probably pretty busy doing
all their original product operations, and of course they had thought to
themselves (now according to the current court decision) that they also owned
Unix overall.
but in a large company issues can get distorted, and obscured, and I would not
be that surprised if there was little real appreciation that this was going on.
Obviously after the fact when you get into legal analysis and nitpicking, they
took GPL stuff stamped it Caldera and published it.
All that said, they probably did not have a good line of reasoning that using
errno.h and ELF was in and of itself something that constituted proof that Linux
had ripped of fundamental Unix parts.
I also wondered as far as the errno.h inclusion why one could say the POSIX was
useful, since so much of POSIX must have either errno.h or some similar
construct incorporated into its I/O standards. Why not any OS is infringing by
that argument.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 08 2008 @ 12:39 AM EDT |
Smoking.
~and~
Gun.
Let the farce end, NOW![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Chris Lingard on Friday, August 08 2008 @ 04:00 AM EDT |
I have a installation set of Caldera Network Desktop that is
similar.
The README is as follows:
Caldera Network
Desktop
Release 1.0
17-January-1996
Caldera,
Inc.
Orem, Utah, USA
The contents of this CDROM are
Copyright (C) 1996 Red Hat Software,
Caldera Inc and others. Please see the
individual copyright notices
in each source package for distribution terms. The
distribution terms
of the tools copyrighted by Red Hat Software are as noted in
the file COPYING.
This release includes major components from
Red Hat Linux 2.1 and the LST
Installation.
Many packages on
this CDROM are licensed commercial software and CANNOT
be redistributed. In
particular, the LST install, the NetWare client,
Looking Glass desktop
environment, Caldera font server/installer, Netscape
browser, Accelerated-X,
CRiSP-LiTE and BACKUP.UNET packages are under license
and CANNOT be
redistributed. They are licensed for use on a single machine
only.
See
http://www.caldera.com/ for updated technical information and
patches.
"Network Desktop" is a trademark of Caldera, Inc. See the
Getting Started
Guide for a complete list of
trademarks.
And the
CREDITS:
============================= CALDERA CREDITS
=================================
Caldera is:
Bryan
Sparks
Ron Holt
Jim Freeman
Greg
Page
Ransom Love
Nick Wells
Sarah
Lee
Stan Covington
Tim Bird
Allan Smart
Doug Cooper
Debi Thompson
Lyle Ball
Dean Taylor
Kevin Gee
Jon Meyer
Ming Jiang
Additional thanks
to:
Jeff Barr (Vertex)
Ralf Flaxa (LST)
Stefan Probst (LST)
Raymund Will (LST)
Ralph Yarro (ArtFX/NFT)
Marc Ewing (Red Hat)
Donnie Barnes (Red Hat)
Erik Troan (Red Hat)
All
of our beta testers
Banjo the
Sea-Monkey(R)
Members of the original Novell "Corsair"
team:
Peter Bartok
Tim Bird
Ken
Ebert
Jim Freeman
Rob Hicks
Ron
Holt
Ransom Love
David Mortenson
Greg Page
Doug Smith
Bryan Sparks
Nick Wells
Steve Willis
Ralph
Yarro
For a good list of major contributors to the Linux effort
(and whose work is
included in this product), consult /usr/src/linux/CREDITS on
an installed
system.
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| Authored by: Ian Al on Friday, August 08 2008 @ 04:19 AM EDT |
Just a minor question, You are, however, invited to search the
support and Linux information archives on our Web site at
http://www.caldera.com.
Would this be the site that they accused
IBM of hacking and thereby losing the opportunity to use the
evidence?---
Regards
Ian Al
If you are not using Linux, you may be beyond help. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: jmc on Friday, August 08 2008 @ 11:09 AM EDT |
I really never understood why they are so obsessed with streams. Even if the
full generality is a worthwhile concept (I'm not convinced) in practice they are
a re-implementation of sockets that Linus rightly resisted including in Linux.
Yet SCO seem to want to include them and yet blame IBM and Novell for using
their implementations in breach of their copyrights - which of course they
don't.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 08 2008 @ 04:38 PM EDT |
I've got a copy of Caldera OpenLinux I picked up from the bargain bin in Canada
back in 2001ish while stationed in Fort Drum. I'll have to see if I can find
that old box! I actually had cracked back in to it back in early 2006 looking
for an earlier kernel on some old hardware!
SCK[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, August 10 2008 @ 08:17 PM EDT |
It just occurred to me that I may have some information that has not been
mentioned elsewhere, regarding ELF:
I was first exposed to Linux back in the early '90s, through a collection of
distributions, including Slackware, Yggdrasil (sp?), etc., before Red Hat, etc.
were in vogue. Way back at that time, the package had some mention of ELF.
That HAS to have been WAY before Caldera/t$COg were involved with Linux;
therefore, ELF _must_ be free from any of their claims.
If this has any significance, I think I may still have this distribution
collection around and will attempt to find it. By the way, I still use
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