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SCO Uses the "Core" Word - Asks for Stay to be Enforced in Arbitration
Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:23 AM EDT

They are certainly never boring. Now SCO has filed a Debtor's Motion to Enforce Automatic Stay [PDF]. On page 3 of the Motion, in the jurisdiction section, we find SCO using the "core" word for the first time in a filing:
(i) Subject Matter Jurisdiction

11. This Court has jurisdiction of this Motion pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §1334. Moreover, this is a core matter as one of the most important and "core" concerns in a bankruptcy case is the extent and the enforcement of the automatic stay. 28 U.S.C. §157(b)(2)(A).

As you see there is a hearing set on this for November 6. It should be a fascinating display. Because what SCO is now asking the court to do, aside from enforcing the stay to cover the arbitration, is to block any attempt by SUSE to transfer its claim "to a foreign entity that has no minimum contacts with the United States ... against whom asserting personal jurisdiction may prove difficult." It says that a transfer of the claim could serve "as a means to flout the Court's jurisdiction as part of a strategem to jump to the head of the line of creditors." Go, SUSE. That's all I can say. Kidding. This could just be SCO's imagination or an attempt to write a stronger motion about something that hasn't happened and for which there is no evidence submitted that it ever will happen. Time will tell. I guess things must not be going so well in the arbitration either. That was supposed to start early in December.

Either that, or SCO is doing great and their future is as rosy as can be, and we'll all be shocked and awed in a couple of weeks when SCO announces something or other.

Here's the quote from the Salt Lake Tribune:

"I can tell you that other parties are very interested in our business," McBride said in an interview this week. "We are in discussions. Again, I think our enemies who have pronounced our business' death may want to halt the presses a bit until they hear some of our announcements that will be coming out in the next couple of weeks with respect of how we will reorganize and how we will go forward with our business model."

Who said their business was dead? It's the lawsuit that is passing on to the great Litigation Cemetery in the Sky. Unless that's the business model. Actually Laura DiDio says she thinks their business, well.. I will let her tell you in her own words:

McBride said he is confident that ruling will be overturned when the company is able to appeal the case to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals. He believes the company's case remains strong based on facts and witnesses who could testify.

Beyond the litigation, McBride said the company will continue to market its Unix products and pointed to its recent launch of a mobile software server system for which it sees a big market.

But Laura DiDio, an analyst with the research and consulting firm Yankee Group, wonders whether whatever marketing effort the company undertakes will be harmed by the bad will it has garnered as a result of the lawsuits.

"What happened to them when they undertook this is they became an industry pariah," she said. "In hindsight, I think the biggest mistake that SCO made was try to sue corporate customers. That really set the industry against them."

Actually, what happened, as I watched it, is they made claims that the court said didn't hold water. It's very hard to win a copyright infringement claim if you don't own the copyrights. And even if they owned them, it's still hard if you can't point to any infringed code. I don't view Ms. DiDio as an "enemy" of SCO's though. Au contraire. She is here supporting the "enemies" theory, after all. Whereas it's more a moral indignation people feel when they see litigation that has no legal basis, as far as they can see. But SCO's problem is inside a courtroom in Utah, and that has nothing to do with enemies or bloggers or the industry. It's about evidence there, and SCO fell short.

Personally, I can't wait to find out who is really behind this try-to-kill-off-Linux-via-litigation strategy. Come out, come out, wherever you are. I can't think of any other reason to be interested in SCO's business, since that seems to be the business SCO has been in. Maybe he means the mobile business. I'm sure we all wish them success there. The problem I see is that their reorganization plan has to be approved by the court, and that isn't a shoe-in, and so any funding SCO gets now would conceivably be placed in the pot for the creditors, like Novell and IBM, for example. You know, those Linux people.

Here's the entire docket entry:

69 - Filed & Entered: 09/28/2007
Motion to Authorize (B)
Docket Text: Motion to Authorize Debtor The SCO Group, Inc.'s Motion To Enforce The Automatic Stay Filed by The SCO Group, Inc.. Hearing scheduled for 11/6/2007 at 02:00 PM at US Bankruptcy Court, 824 Market St., 6th Fl., Courtroom #3, Wilmington, Delaware. Objections due by 10/18/2007. (Attachments: # (1) Notice # (2) Exhibit A to G # (3) Proposed Form of Order # (4) Certificate of Service) (O'Neill, James)

Oh, and of course SCO says in its motion it wants Novell sanctioned and to have to pay damages. If only someone would give SCO a nickel for each instance of indignation in its court filings, they'd be rolling in dough. If you look at Exhibit A in the Exhibits A-G attachment, though, you'll see that Novell doesn't agree that the bankruptcy stays the arbitration, and it will oppose this motion. I don't think you can get sanctioned for not agreeing with SCO. Not unless there's a new Yarro's law or something. Good thing I already explained what a core proceeding is. Otherwise I'd have to work on a Saturday.

I have a new theory. SCO must be secretly a fan of Groklaw, or it wants to go down in the legal history books and be used in law schools down through the ages, so it is trying every possible gambit in every conceivable legal specialty so as to provide us an opportunity to broaden our knowledge. It's a public service. Also a really nice way to make sure I get more wonderful awards.

You think? Joke. Joke. Either that or Boies Schiller is just having fun. It's not every day you get a client that will agree to try absolutely everything, no matter how farfetched. It sure is fun to watch. This is bankruptcy for the rich, and it's an absolute riot. Don't think for one minute that bankruptcy goes like this for you, if you ever filed. I simply love SCO's arguments on why the arbitration is a "core proceeding". I was literally grinning as I read it. Let's just say, it's, in my view, a stretch. Was SUSE asking for money from the arbitration? Because if not, I just can't see how it's in any way related to the bankruptcy court. I thought all SUSE wanted was a ruling of rights, a decision on whether SCO even has a right to bring a copyright action against SUSE. Not that SCO turned out to have gotten the UNIX or UnixWare copyrights from Novell, but that's another story.

That doesn't mean this gambit won't work, of course. I'm not a lawyer or even a bankruptcy para. And you never know what might work if your lawyer sails through the air on a flying trapeze, and that is what SCO is doing, I think. Trying. Desperately. To. Survive. But it is ironic that the company that told us over and over since 2003 that it couldn't wait for its day in court now is running as fast as it can to get away from the judgment that resulted from its day in court.

In a letter dated September 21, Novell writes to the arbitration panel:

Reference is made to the Procedural order No. 2 dated May 20, 2007 (PO2). Pursuant to Item 2 of PO2, the Parties shall by September 21, 2007, confer and endeavor to agree on logistical and other procedural arrangements for the hearing in December and report to the Arbitral Tribunal accordingly.

The Parties' counsel have conferred about this subject, but have not been able to make progress due to different positions about the impact of SCO's recent bankruptcy filing. SCO has informed SUSE that it believes that the arbitration should be stayed in view of the bankruptcy filing, and that SCO may make an application in this respect. SUSE, in contrast, is of the view that the bankruptcy filing does not stay the arbitration, and that the proceedings should continue.

In the meantime, SUSE will be submitting its Opposition to SCO's Counterclaim next Monday, as required by Procedural Order No. 3. If SCO applies to stay the arbitration, SUSE will respond at that time.

It's time. Who knew that SCO had filed a counterclaim in the arbitration? Don't you love bankruptcy court? All the secrets come tumbling out. Oh, sadly, I note that the arbitration panel asks for a document to be submitted in Word format. Sigh. That's on page 5, Exhibit B. But look at the next page of Exhibit B, where the arbitration panel writes that SCO has provided the following information:

Further, SCO states that even if this arbitration is to proceed, an extension of the current schedule (and an adjournment of the forthcoming hearing) will be required in any event, since SCO is currently without counsel authorised to represent it in connection with this arbitration.

No, I don't know what that means. I am wondering if it just means the bankruptcy court has to authorize payments or if it means the lawyers quit or isn't interested in doing work for nothing in the arbitration. I'm sure in time we'll find out.

Naturally, the Arbitral Tribunal asks the parties for info on just how US bankruptcy law applies. But the letter ends saying that as of now, the hearing date of December 3 to 14 "remains fixed."

Exhibit D is the UnitedLinux LLC agreement, dated May 29, 2002. The dispute resolution section begins on page 46. Exhibit F is the SuSE/Novell IP license agreement, on page 76, some small bits redacted. See what I mean about bankruptcy court?


  


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Corrections Here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:29 AM EDT
if any

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Off topic here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:32 AM EDT
Make links clickable. To do that post in HTML Formatted mode and follow the
instructions in red beneath the Post Mode box. Read the Important Stuff
comments at the bottom of the page. On-topic comments may be ignored. Have
fun.

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Newspicks here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:33 AM EDT
Please post a link to the newspick item or state its headline on the newspicks
list clearly.

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You mean they don't have lawyers for the arbitrations? (n/t)
Authored by: jplatt39 on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:40 AM EDT
I'm speechless.

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SCOG's announcements
Authored by: rsmith on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:50 AM EDT
We're still waiting for those "millions of lines" to materialize, so
I'm not holding my breath for those announcements.

Besides, who'd want to bail out a company that is encumbered by lawsuits which
they are in the process of losing? You must have more money than sense to do
that.

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Intellectual Property is an oxymoron.

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Extra-territoriality
Authored by: elderlycynic on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 09:57 AM EDT
Well, a lot of peeople outside the USA are pretty pissed off about
the way that the USA claims one-sided extra-territoriality. Let's
skip the way that some countries (including so-called major ones,
like the UK) accept that, and concentrate on Switzerland.

This motion, if granted, could cause a diplomatic row, and quite
possibly more. Switzerland's constitution forbids many types of
treaty, and the country is pretty touchy about being pressured
by other ones. Now, I don't suppose that Dubya gives a damn if
the USA and Switzerland break off diplomatic relations, but it
could be a headache for the next president.

And what if the conflict spread? Anyone remember the banana war
with the EU? If the Switzerland arbitrator rules and the USA
declares it void, what will other countries do?

This may well blow over, of course, but wars have been fought
over less - look up Jenkin's ear :-)

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BSF still trying to avoid SCO lawsuit?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 10:28 AM EDT

Seems to me this is all late-innings thrashing-about by
Boies to dodge a malpractice lawsuit from SCO.

"See, we gave our all for SCO. We didn't give up."

Boies has reason to fear a jury. (Sound familiar?)

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Was SUSE asking for money from the arbitration?
Authored by: DaveJakeman on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 10:34 AM EDT

From the PDF, top of page 3:

SuSE also asserts claims for money damages against SCO Group in the arbitration.
Mind you, that's SCO speaking, so we aren't to know for sure.

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Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Requiring Office $tandard Only For Themselves

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Sanctioned for filing an opposing motion?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 10:36 AM EDT
Whew.

I think I know just the lawyer they need for future representation, and I'm sure
they could easily afford him even in their current financial straits. I speak of
course, of Jack Thompson.

But kidding aside, are they trying for an incompetence defense to their eventual
sanctioning/shareholder lawsuit/SEC trial?

Or are they attempting to base their appeal on an incompetent counsel claim?

bkd

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A PIPE Fairy willing to be seen?
Authored by: bbaston on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 10:40 AM EDT
Having a PIPE fairy or other means of fund infusion show up at this time would really light up the bankruptcy sky with fireworks.

tSCOg has been operating since 2004 on money illegally retained rather than being turned over to its owner - Novell - and finally, in 2007, that fact has been so ruled in a court of law.

Now, on the technicality of "the final amount owed to Novell hasn't been determined" - only because of tSCOg's bankruptcy filing - we see tSCOg want to continue operating on Novell's money, apparently supplemented by other parties.

I am sure bank robbers have turned stolen money into legitimate businesses in the past, but under the searchlight of a bankruptcy judge? Surely not...

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IMBW, IANAL2, IMHO, IAVO
imaybewrong, iamnotalawyertoo, inmyhumbleopinion, iamveryold

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What'a being arbitrated?
Authored by: PTrenholme on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 10:51 AM EDT

IIRC, isn't the arbitration about SuSE infringing the SCOG's UNIX copyrights? Of which they have none?

Perhaps I should go back and read again what's in arbitration.

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IANAL, just a retired statistician

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Umm Lets See Scenario 42B
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:01 AM EDT
Here's a wild scenario. Somehow in SCO's "mind" - they are now
skillfully maneuvering a final outcome; whereby, Novell and/or IBM and/or others
will end up owning SCO “lock, stock and barrel”.

Except that DMcB will walk away with $28,000,000 (of Novell’s loot)!

hahaha

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This is a Bit Rich
Authored by: DaveJakeman on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:01 AM EDT
17. The debtor requests the Court to: (i) declare that the automatic stay prohibits the continuation of the SuSE Arbitration; (ii) declare that SuSE violated the automatic stay by continuing to prosecute its claim against the Debtor in the SuSE Arbitration; (iii) grant the Debtor actual compensatory damages against SuSE for the value of the time expended by the Debtor's personnel and the legal expenses incurred by the Debtor in dealing with SuSE's efforts violative of the stay; and (iv) order SuSE not to transfer its (disputed) claim against SCO Group.
Unclean hands?

As usual, SCO protest loudest over what they themselves have done.

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Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Requiring Office $tandard Only For Themselves

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SCO Sells Mobile Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:08 AM EDT
I know that this will probably be viewed as 'tin foil hatting' but could not the
only reason for building up their 'mobile business' was to give then something
legitimate got sell. Might we in the next few weeks see it sold off for X
millions of dollars in order to enable tSCOg to get back into the courtroom
after the current delaying tactic?

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Every Gambit....
Authored by: snakebitehurts on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:08 AM EDT
"so it is trying every possible gambit in every conceivable legal specialty
..."

Yes I saw this a long time ago. On the bright side, in the end it did not work
with Judge Kimball. While it's been frustrating to watch, I expect that in the
end they will achieve the same results in Delaware.

I can't wait to the see responses and motions from the combined juggernaut of
IBM/Novell/Suse/etc.

SCO has played the legal system with every trick in the book. It will
interesting to see if Judge Gross sees through all the smoke and mirrors and
brings a screeching halt to the madness.

SCO has been very good at delaying the inevitable. They won't escape justice in
the end.

MikeD

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  • Every Gambit.... - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 02:51 PM EDT
Footnote 3
Authored by: DaveJakeman on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:10 AM EDT
3 Moreover, it makes little sense for the SuSE Arbitration to proceed before appellate review of the District Court's decision on the Novell Litigation, holding that certain UNIX and UNIXWARE copyrights were retained by Novell and not sold to SCO Group's predecessor in a 1995 transaction whereby the predecessor acquired the UNIX business.
Stop the world! SCO wants to get off.

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Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Requiring Office $tandard Only For Themselves

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SCO Uses the "Core" Word - Asks for Stay to be Enforced in Arbitration
Authored by: om1er on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:21 AM EDT
PJ says:
I have a new theory. SCO must be secretly a fan of Groklaw, or it wants to go down in the legal history books and be used in law schools down through the ages, so it is trying every possible gambit in every conceivable legal specialty so as to provide us an opportunity to broaden our knowledge. It's a public service. Also a really nice way to make sure I get more wonderful awards.
So maybe this is all a PR move for BS&F, showing that they can work in all areas of the law?

Perhaps someone should pose this question to SCO and BS&F,

"Could it be your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others?"

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August 10, 2007 - The FUD went thud.

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SCO Uses the "Core" Word - Asks for Stay to be Enforced in Arbitration
Authored by: Holocene Epoch on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:26 AM EDT
So did SCOx learn from M$ on how to delay/play the procedural game ( see the EU
interview )?

Is this really a ploy to kill Unix? Then where will everyone turn? Windose?
Vista? Apple? Linux?

Will M$ buy out SCOx?

And what is "arbitration", anyway?

Be listening tomorrow for another exciting episode...

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I Think I Saw DMcB In Times Square Playing Three Shell Game
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:43 AM EDT
I think I have see DMcB hustling people's money in Times Square NYC using the
THREE SHELL GAME. Or did I seem DMcB operating on the Downtown Promenade in
Copenhagen , using THREE MATCH BOX COVERS instead of Walnut shells.

In the THREE SHELL GAME, the HUSTLER has three half Walnut shells. The HUSTLER
has a small ball (often of aluminum foil). Then the HUSTLER hides the ball under
one of the SHELLS and PLAYERS (after betting money) have to guess which Walnut
Shell the ball is under in order to win the bet.

The 'trick' of course, is that the HUSTLER has several SHARKS on hand to bet -
and strangely the SHARKS keep winning non-stop. But later the PLAYERS strangely
never win.

The THREE SHELL GAME has been going on for a very long time:

A little fun, just now and then
Is relished by the best of men.
If you have nerve, you may have plenty;
Five, draws you ten, and ten draws twenty.
Attention giv'n, Ill show to you,
How umbrellas hide the peek-a-boo.
Select your shell, the one you choose;
If right, you win, if not, you lose;
The game itself is lots of fun,
Jim's chances though, are two to one;
And I tell you that your chance is slim
To win a prize from 'Umbrella Jim'

http://www.threeshellgame.com/allure.htm

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Interesting tidbit about Gregory Blepp
Authored by: Laomedon on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 11:43 AM EDT
on page 33 of United Linux Agreement:

Notices to SuSE were to be sent to the Attention of one Gregory Blepp.

So, if that is in fact the Gregory "Briefcase" Blepp, we have come to learn of, he once worked for SuSE, then later for Caldera/SCO.

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stay not enforcable even w. court order
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 12:43 PM EDT
Without being an expert on the ICC arbitration rules in particular, this is what
I believe would happend if the bankrupcy court ordered an enforced stay:

The arbitration board would simply ignore it, and award SUSE the requested
amount when SCO does not show up to the arbitration hearing.

That award would then be enforcable against SCO in pracically all the rest of
the world under the New York convention, no matter what any court in the US has
to say about it or has "ordered" about it.

All that COULD happend is that the effect of such order would be that SUSE won't
reach SCO's assets in the US particularly (but only SCO assets in the rest of
the world). SUSE may not be happy about this and may therefor request jointly
with SCO to the arbitration board about a stay. This request may therefor be a
tactical move.

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  • Keep alive - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 12:53 PM EDT
"I can tell you that other parties are very interested in our business,"
Authored by: baomike on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 01:03 PM EDT
This could be a spin on "w're being investigated by every agency you can
think off".
"parties" may be "investigative agencies"

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Saw this in the PDF filings to stay arbitration ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 01:19 PM EDT

I saw this in the PDF, on page-3 of the filing, item #69,
"DEBTOR THE SCO GROUP, INC.'S MOTION TO ENFORCE THE AUTOMATIC STAY", Para-8, -- we see:

SuSE arbitration is scheduled for a liability phase hearing December 3 - 14, 2007 in Zurich, Switzerland.

Note that this is the LIABILITY phase. Sounds like a determination was made, and this is about assigning a penalty?

Am I reading that correctly?
Who is familiar with Swiss arbitration procedures?

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Mobile software built on Linux?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 01:38 PM EDT

Is it possible that SCO's Me.Inc software is built on some United Linux common property.

This could be why SCO needs to avoid having the arbitration completed. They could lose the mobile software after some cleaver person dumps the code and sees parts belong to either Novell or United Linux and the FSF get's involved.

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Does item 9.4.c.1 of the UnitedLinux agreement mean ...
Authored by: PTrenholme on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 01:48 PM EDT

that a "Triggering Event" has occurred, and that the SCOG is now required to offer its UnitedLinux holdings (including its precious IP) to the other UnitedLinux LLC members?

9.4 . Triggering Events. The occurrence of any of the following to or by a Member shall be a "Triggering Event" that, in the case of a Triggering Event described in either Section 9(a) or 9(b) shall have the "Triggering Date" specified below for the purposes of the buy-out procedures under Section 9.5:
[...]
(c) a Member
(i) becomes insolvent or is adjudicated bankrupt, whether voluntary or or involuntary, or
(ii) [...]

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IANAL, just a retired statistician

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SCO finds new uses for SCO Mobile?
Authored by: Sunny Penguin on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 02:52 PM EDT
SCO Mobile, when you have to file legal claims from non-extradition countries.

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ME Inc.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 05:56 PM EDT
Wouldn't Micorsoft have rights to "ME" with regards to computers.
They went after Linspire and a they had at least changed the spelling. Or would
Microsoft rather forget about it's version of ME and hope that SCO. Could this
be one of the reasons Microsfot is a creditor?

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So, what does the code actually say?
Authored by: Ian Al on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 06:02 PM EDT
§ 362. Automatic stay

(a) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a petition filed under section 301, 302, or 303 of this title, or an application filed under section 5(a)(3) of the Securities Investor Protection Act of 1970, operates as a stay, applicable to all entities, of—

(1) the commencement or continuation, including the issuance or employment of process, of a judicial, administrative, or other action or proceeding against the debtor that was or could have been commenced before the commencement of the case under this title, or to recover a claim against the debtor that arose before the commencement of the case under this title;

The arbitration in Switzerland is not part of that country's state judicial system and, even if there was an intergovernmental agreement, it would not apply to private actions and therefore the arbitration cannot be stayed by the US court. However, it can be stayed or cancelled by the mutual agreement of the parties and the arbitration authorities. I don't know if any party can unilaterally withdraw, but I assume the arbitration would be cancelled if that happened.

The code says actions or proceedings against the debtor. The arbitration is not against the debtor: it is by mutual agreement of the parties (in this case, including the debtor).

The outcome of the arbitration is a binding finding and not a claim or lien or attempt to obtain the debtor's assets. Thus it is not encompassed by any of the other paragraphs in this part of the code. It does not matter if the arbitration takes place in the US. The only way it can affect the Chapter 11 proceedings is if the bankruptcy court decides to act on its findings. Arbitration cannot be core because it has no effect of itself on the estate of the debtor and thus the bankruptcy court cannot have jurisdiction over it.

All this tells me that the bankruptcy court is not entitled under the code to stay an arbitration. It can only stay any judicial orders based on the findings as in the SCOG v Novell court case.

Of course, someone like Judge Gross might interpret the code differently or be able to point to citations which say otherwise.

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Regards
Ian Al

Linux: Genuine Advantage

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SCO plays right into Groklaw's hands
Authored by: SirHumphrey on Saturday, September 29 2007 @ 08:03 PM EDT
SCO probably thought that their bogus case would be over with a quick buyout.
However, because no-one is going to pay the extortion money to the Emperor sans
clothes, they now have to put effort into litigating in the light of day, and
THIS was their first mistake. Now, EVERYTHING they do gets exposed to the light
of day, dissected and recorded in minute detail on Groklaw.

Even if this litigation dragged on for another 2 years, all SCO is doing is
providing Groklaw and the students of law an unprecedented opportunity to see
the full extent of gaming the system. Law students could not get a better
opportunity to see how a company can hyperspace an imminent ruling, right out
from under any judge they stand before.

We have seen how bogus subpoenas have been delivered - to the wrong people, at
the wrong time, to the wrong place.

How you can REALLY rally support for your cause by shooting your mouth off in
public, only to have those same statements come back to bite you where it
hurts.

How to delay, delay, delay. Including expedited delays, and then to obfuscate
clarifications.

How to parade "witnesses" through the litigation.

How to DEMAND your day in court then chicken liver it out of there at the last
moment.

OH, it's a laugh riot and this rollercoaster of a ride is going to provide
plenty of anger and gloating as we see SCO fall for every one of PJ's exquisite
traps.

Now that they have shown their predictable behaviour, we can all sit back and
enjoy the respones of Pavlov's SCOG

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SCO's Intelectual Property in Susse Linux?
Authored by: davidf on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 03:13 AM EDT
Interesting, SCO is still talking about LInux as if it were its own IP. It even
refers to SuSSe's IP .... but even if SuSSe, IBM, & Novel own some code, the
majority of code in Linux belongs to the programers who created it.

Of course I know it has just slipped SCO's mind ... surely they'll come to their
senses (sarcasm).

Me thinks the judge may need a crash course in FLOSS, and the GNU GPL.

On second thought, perhaps Eben Moglen should make an appearance on behalf of
the programers he represents to state the facts about this IP SCO thinks it
owns.


cheers,
davidf

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London
Authored by: mattflaschen on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 05:59 AM EDT
Interestingly, the dispute resolution clause says arbitration is to take place
in London. My understanding is that it's currently scheduled for Switzerland.

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Whose IP is it, anyway?
Authored by: Ian Al on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 06:14 AM EDT
SCOG claim
However, permitting Novell, through SuSE, to proceed with the SuSE Arbitration to seek a determination that Novell (through SuSE) has ownership rights to certain of the Debtors' intellectual property is simply an end-run around the automatic stay.
I can't find the United Linux document on Groklaw that explained the copyright arrangements in the agreement, but I know we have seen it somewhere. It said that any copyrights or patents or marks in the UL product would pass to United Linux except for pre-existing technology. It did not say that ownership would go to the members. SCOG show no exhibits that support the assertion that Novell or SUSE are seeking a determination that Novell has ownership rights to certain of SCOG's intellectual property. The exhibits make it clear that the only right of sale and use that Novell obtained in the Novell/SUSE IP agreement were SUSE developments like YAST that were not part of the UL agreement.

Again, I need the missing documents, but one of them included the agreement that members would not assert ownership of the UL products against another member. The LLC does make it clear that SCOG (nee, Caldera) agreed to take such disputes to European arbitration. We have not seen the SUSE arbitration claim (unless I missed it), but it was the breaching of the agreement about assertion of copyrights against other members that caused Judge Kimball to stay part of the SCOG v Novell civil action when SCOG added that claim to the case.

The arbitration can, no doubt, call for the reparation of damages. However, it has no right of enforcement. The parties agree to be bound by the arbitration and enact its findings and directions. If one of the parties in dispute refuses to accept the outcome of the arbitration, then the only recourse is a subsequent civil action under the LLC. That would be in the Delaware jurisdiction where UL is incorporated. So, that is another reason why the arbitration cannot affect the debtor's estate. Only SCOG can do that by volunteering to comply with the findings. Judge Gross has full control over SCOG's freedom to do this (as long as he watches them like a hawk) and need not fear any affect of the arbitration finding on his bankruptcy proceedings.

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Regards
Ian Al

Linux: Genuine Advantage

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SCO Uses the "Core" Word - Asks for Stay to be Enforced in Arbitration
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 08:41 AM EDT
"Either that, or SCO is doing great and their future is as rosy as can be,
and we'll all be shocked and awed in a couple of weeks when SCO announces
something or other." PJ

We are all waiting with baited breath to hear what the new deck chair
arrangement on the Titanic is going to be.

As for SCOG's shareholders on board that sinking ship, by the time they figure
out what the sitting arrangement on the life boats is gonna be (priority goes to
the creditors), chances are pretty good that they'll be settling to the bottom
of the sea floor along with the rest of the ship, and be buffet food for several
generations of crabs and lobsters :)



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Know your enemies well, because that's the only way you are going to defeat
them. And know your friends even better, just in case they become your enemies.

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Diplomatic Immunity
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 11:56 AM EDT

It's interesting to note that filing for Chapter 11 seems to be the temporary equivalent of having diplomatic immunity applied against any currently outstanding issues.

I wonder if any company has ever tried to apply that when cases regarding criminal charges were open:

    I'm sorry assistant DA, but your case is now on hold while Chapter 11 is undergoing re-org of the business you were investigating.
I wonder if that tactic could be identified as "Interfering with official proceedings" by the DA.

RAS

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Darl is like Comical Ali.....
Authored by: Stevieboy on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 04:50 PM EDT
still saying - "the infidels are cutting their own throats at the gates of
Baghdad" - NOW!!!

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Question for the bankrupcy lawyers among us
Authored by: philc on Sunday, September 30 2007 @ 06:57 PM EDT
In bankrupcy, does the debtor have to pay off court judgements before the
creditors get a cut or is everyone in the same pool?

Thanks...

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"Core" and more
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 01 2007 @ 01:58 PM EDT
As one who has watched the world of bankruptcy mostly from the outside my
observation is that those who care about things other than money will be
disappointed by the bankruptcy system. In bankruptcy the issue is always money.
Who has the money; who gets the money?

Things like copyrights and other legal theories don't mean much in this realm.
Doe it make money; who gets what it makes?

And the issue of "core" relates to the enforcement of the automatic
stay at this time. The court wil enforce its stay. It has to to demonstrate
its power. But later it can (and probably will) let the arbitration go forward
in Europe.

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NEVER HAPPEN - SCO Uses the "Core" Word - Asks for Stay to be Enforced in Arbitration
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 01 2007 @ 04:03 PM EDT
"...no evidence submitted that it ever will happen..."

Just like SCO told the Judge there was no risk of SCO filing for bankruptcy.

People tend to project their own world views on others. What I mean, is if SCO
found itself in Novell's position where they were stimied by US courts, they may
well want to move the dispute overseas. So of course they assume that Novell
would do the same thing.

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