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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Sunday, August 19 2007 @ 11:30 PM EDT

Here's Judge Dale Kimball's Memorandum Decision and Order, in which he sets deadlines for what's left to accomplish prior to the date the trial is set to start. You can feel as you read it just how close we are now. It's getting very real to me.

The parties are still arguing about pretrial disclosures, last we heard, and then after Judge Kimball's ruling on the summary judgment motions pulled the rug right out from under SCO's case, we heard they were discussing whether a jury is needed or not and what the ruling meant in all its particulars. But September 17 at 8:30 AM is the date set for the trial to begin. Judge Kimball states in this document that while it was originally pencilled in to last 3 weeks, it should be "substantially shorter" now.

I'll say. Except for SCO sobbing. That might take quite a while.

What happens between now and then? That's what this order tells the parties.

The first item already happened, on Friday, the joint statement on what is left to go to trial: pretty much nothing on SCO's side and pretty much everything on Novell's, except for some things it doesn't even care about pursuing now.

Next after that come the motions in limine. The deadline for that is Aug. 24. And like all motions, there will be motions in opposition, and the deadline for that is Aug. 31. Then the reply memo, if any, must be filed by Sept. 4. If the judge feels he needs a hearing, he'll let them know.

Next in time is voir dire and jury instructions. Here are model Utah jury instructions, explaining what they are, namely what the judge explains to the jury about the laws that relate to the case and what the jury's job is. The parties give the judge their proposed versions, just like with orders, but he doesn't have to follow them. And if they decide not to even have a jury, you don't need voir dire or jury instructions at all. This page will give you an idea of what voir dire is like, at least in this Indiana judge's courtroom. And here is a report [PDF] from a Utah Committee that met to talk about voir dire and other such things and how they should be done in a perfect world. It's only for those who simply can't get enough of reading about voir dire and jury duty.

Voir dire, the short version, is the process whereby the judge and the attorneys try to weed out biased potential jurors by asking them questions. "How do you feel about executives who falsely accuse innocent people of copyright infringement when they knew they didn't own the relevant copyrights?" Nah. It's a bit more subtle. But if I was in the jury pool, and they found out I wrote Groklaw, I'd be out on my ear in five seconds flat. Three. One. Just swoosh. Because, although I am not biased, I know too much to be a good juror. They want jurors to know very little so they can limit their deliberations to what is allowed in evidence. I already have a formulated opinion based on a lot of materials we researched here that may not even be allowed at trial. And they'd be worried I couldn't partition out what I know, or I'd tell the other jurors the rest of the story. So I couldn't really be a juror. I could, actually, but they would worry I couldn't and that I'd doze off and talk in my sleep even if I promised to try to stick to the evidence as presented.

I'd love to be a juror in SCO v. Novell. And how! Wouldn't you? Maybe they'd allow absentee ballots? Like servicemen? Heaven only knows I feel like we've been through a war. I know. Digital voting machines. Please, please, please? So we can rig it from afar? Just kidding. Paralegals are usually tossed and never get to be on juries. Lawyers too. It's really hard to get chosen as a juror if you work in the legal field. It's not impossible, but it's hard.

Ditto with the next item, special verdict forms. You don't need them if there is no jury to give the forms to. You can find an explanation of what that is here, but in brief it's a form the jury sometimes has to fill out giving reasons for the decision it reached. Obviously, that isn't needed if there is to be no jury.

As you see, a lot of work could be tossed right out of the agenda, if the parties could agree a jury isn't needed, which is, I'm sure, appealing to Novell, whose lawyers are not working for free. But if they don't agree to that, they each must file all this paperwork, and in the case of special verdict forms, they do it separately, so they can then object to the other's special verdict form, if they wish. Interestingly, the parties have to file the form in WordPerfect format.

OK. Next? They can file with the judge proposed jury instructions. There's a template for civil trials, as you saw, the stuff the judge tells them before, during and at the end of the trial about what the law is and what they can and can't consider. Judge Kimball says the parties can just use the template, but law firms of this caliber don't like to do that. They like to tweak everything in their favor. And jury instructions actually matter a lot. So Judge Kimball has a plan to streamline things. He tells them they have to agree to any modifications and tell him jointly why they think it should be modified. His Honor didn't just fall off a turnip truck, you know. And he tells them not to send him the same wording that he already has in his stock instructions. He's dealt with lawyers before, trying to mold the instructions to suit their case. Again, though, you don't need jury instructions if there is no jury.

That's not the end of this topic, though. If either side has additional instructions, things they'd like the judge to instruct the jury just for this case, they have to serve them on each other, then meet and duke it out and then jointly submit one proposed set of instructions. If they just can't agree on one or two items, they can separately submit those to him. That all needs to be done by Aug. 29. Then by Sept. 5th, each can file objections to whatever the other side filed separately, which must contain case citations and a "concise" argument explaining why the other side's instruction is improper. Then the other side writes up why it opposes, giving an alternative, and then a reply can be filed opposing the objection.

Did you realize there was so much left still to argue about even before the trial gets going? My mind's eye is flooded with possibilities. SCO submits a list of instructions it would like the judge to give to the jury: "If you feel pity for SCO having no case left, you must give them a billion dollars." No. That wouldn't fly. Novell's -- "If they have no case, you must erase." I know. I'm being silly. But the trial is so, so stacked against SCO, I can't help but kid around. It's like two kids on a see saw, one of them 100 pounds heavier. The littler kid is stranded up in the air, his little legs dangling, with no hope of getting down unless the heavy kid decides to have mercy. And what motive does Novell have to do that?

Let me try to get serious. The next item is trial exhibits. There's a local rule setting forth how you are supposed to mark them a certain way and each party is to provide an exhibit list to the clerk to give to the judge on the first morning of the trial. This is a list of exhibits that may or may not be allowed, depending on the judge, a list of what each plans to introduce. But it's up to the judge ultimately, one by one, as they are introduced.

Now, remember the pretrial order the parties got an extension to file? The deadline to finally file that is Sept. 7. The pretrial attorneys' conference is set for before that date, and they are told in this order that it will still be held. That's where they discuss all of the above and work out any difficulties. And whatever the results are, they are to include that information in the pretrial order when they submit it, including which attorneys were there at the conference.

One item that is always included on that conference agenda is a possible settlement. The judge includes that and asks to be informed if they work one out. In a normal universe, I'd expect one in a fact pattern like this one, where SCO already lost everything that matters. Maybe if the parties can agree on a sum for what SCO owes Novell, but it seems unlikely so far. But you can't rule it out. Most cases do settle, you know, instead of going to trial. The lawyers can figure out what will happen at trial, because they're experienced and they know the law and the judge now. So a party that figures the cards are stacked against him will be inspired to try to settle things on terms he can stand rather than leaving it up to an unknown jury. Plus you can save a ton of money if you settle. Trials are expensive. So here, where SCO has already been found liable for conversion and knows it must pay Novell something, a lot, it may try to offer a sum high enough to get Novell to settle, to avoid the annoyance of a trial, but low enough that SCO doesn't keel over dead on the spot. This is a company that really doesn't want to go bankrupt just now. But that's in a normal universe, which this isn't. Very little in this SCO litigation has been typical. I guess that's one reason it's so addictive.

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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH

CENTRAL DIVISION

_______________________________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff,

vs.

NOVELL, INC.,

Defendant.

________________________________

MEMORANDUM DECISION AND
ORDER

Civil Case No. 2:04CV139DAK

_______________________________

This case is set for a twenty-one day jury trial to begin on September 17, 2007, at 8:30 a.m. In order to expedite the conduct of the trial in this case, counsel are instructed as follows:

A. Joint Statement

In light of the court's Memorandum Decision and Order on the parties' pending motions for summary judgment, the court orders the parties to submit a joint statement identifying the remaining claims in the case that are proceeding to trial and the anticipated length of the trial. The court expects that the length of the trial will be substantially shorter. This statement must be filed by Friday, August 17, 2007.

B. Motions in Limine

All motions in limine must be filed by August 24, 2007. Memoranda in opposition to any motions in limine must be filed no later than August 31, 2007. Reply memoranda, if necessary, must be filed by September 4, 2007. The court will notify the parties if a hearing will

be held on the motions.

C. Proposed Voir Dire, Jury Instructions, and Special Verdict Form

1. Proposed Voir Dire

The parties must submit any proposed voir dire no later than September 10, 2007.

2. Special Verdict Form

The parties must submit a proposed special verdict form no later than September 10, 2007. In addition to filing the special verdict form electronically, the parties must email a copy of the special verdict form to [email address redacted] in Word Perfect format. Any objection the parties have to the other party's proposed special verdict form shall be filed by September 13, 2007.

3. Jury Instructions

(a) stock instructions

Upon request, the court will provide the parties with its stock jury instructions for civil cases. The court will give its stock instructions applicable to this case unless both parties agree to modify them and provide convincing arguments for such changes. The parties shall not submit stock instructions that deal with the same subject matter as the court's stock instructions. When submitting their instructions, the parties shall indicate in a list to the court which of the court's stock instructions should be given. The parties need not resubmit the court's stock instructions.

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(b) additional instructions

All additional jury instructions must be submitted according to the following procedure:

1. The parties shall serve upon the opposing party their proposed jury instructions by August 20, 2007. The parties must then meet and confer to agree on a single set of instructions. The parties are required to jointly submit one set of stipulated final instructions.

2. If the parties cannot agree upon a complete set of final instructions, they may submit separately those instructions upon which they cannot agree. However, the parties are expected to agree upon the majority of the substantive instructions for the case.

3. The stipulated instructions and each party's supplemental instructions must be electronically filed with the court by August 29, 2007. In addition to electronically filing the jury instructions, the parties shall also email a copy of the instructions, without citation to authority, to [email redacted] in Word Perfect format.

4. No later than September 5, 2007, each party must file its objections to the supplemental instructions proposed by the other party. All such objections must recite the proposed disputed instruction in its entirety and specifically highlight the objectionable language in the proposed instruction. The objection must contain citations to authority and a concise argument explaining why the instruction is improper. If applicable, the objecting party should submit an

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alternative instruction addressing the subject or principle of law.

5. No later than September 12, 2006, each party may file a reply to the opposing party's objections.

D. Trial Exhibits

Pursuant to Local Rule 83-5, each party is required to pre-mark all exhibits intended to be introduced during trial and prepare an exhibit list for the court's use at trial. Exhibit labels (stickers) are available at the Intake Desk in the Clerk's Office. The standard exhibit list form is available on the Court's website (www.utd.uscourts.gov). Plaintiffs should list their exhibits by consecutive numbers and defendants should list their exhibits by consecutive letters, unless authorized by the Court to use a different system.

Do NOT file the exhibit list or the exhibits. The exhibit list is to be provided to the Courtroom Deputy Clerk on the first morning of trial; the exhibits are to remain in the custody of counsel until admitted as evidence by the Court.

E. Pretrial Disclosures, Pretrial Order, and Attorneys' Conference

This Trial Order does not affect the parties' pre-trial requirements under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. The parties shall submit their pretrial order to the court no later than September 7, 2007. The form of the pretrial order shall conform generally to the approved form in Appendix IV to the district court's Local Rules of Practice. The parties shall also still hold their pre-trial attorneys' conference before the date for submitting the pre-trial order to discuss settlement, a proposed pretrial order, exhibit lists, jury instructions, and other matters that will aid in an expeditious and productive trial. The pretrial order submitted by the parties shall

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identify the date counsel for the parties' held their attorneys' conference and the counsel present for the conference.

F. Settlement

In the event that a settlement is reached between the parties, the court should be notified as soon as possible.

DATED this 10th day of August, 2007.

--[signature]--
DALE A. KIMBALL
United States District Judge

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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: dmarker on Sunday, August 19 2007 @ 11:57 PM EDT

The parts of this that attract my attention are, if they do go to trial without
a pre-settlement, what embarrassing aspects of tSCOg's behavior could Novell
lawyers drag into the open ?

On the other hand, are these US trials structured such that once committed to a
trial, no one can introduce anything that is not already known to the lawyers in
the trial lead-up ?

For example, could Novell attempt to explore who instigated the original claims
(Yarro ?) and what did BS&F know or say ? (I suspect that Kimball's rulings
eliminated any opportunity to open these lines up ?)

Wondering

DSM

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First question:
Authored by: McLae on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 12:11 AM EDT
Q: Have you seen Groklaw?
A: Yes?
Q: Out you go.... :)

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Settlement not likely
Authored by: tknarr on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 12:17 AM EDT

I don't think a settlement's likely. Novell's likely conditions for settlement would be that SCO admit the Microsoft and Sun licenses were primarily SysV licenses and pay Novell their portion of the money. The amount isn't the sticking point, it's that admission. IBM's sure to bring it up in their relevant counterclaims, and SCO wouldn't be able to argue it. Microsoft, Sun, EV1 and others could use an admission of fraudulent statements to argue for rescinding their agreements and getting their money back (as if there's gonna be any left). And the one thing that may strike fear into the boys at BSF: the Nazgul pointing to the admission, pointing to BSF's intimate involvement from the very beginning, and arguing that BSF themselves were complicit in the fraud.

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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 12:21 AM EDT
PJ,
I nticed the Honorable Judge Kimball specified the jury instructions must be
submitted in "Word Perfect format." Is Word perfect still used widely
in the legal field and the court system?

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Judge Wells
Authored by: MrCharon on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 12:28 AM EDT
Is there anything left for Judge Wells in this case?

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As if preparing for trial - Rules of the Road through the Mountains
Authored by: webster on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 01:26 AM EDT
..
There will be no trial. There is no need. SCO is better off not showing up.
They should have done the reasonable thing and caved in long ago. So now they
don't even need to show up and argue about how much they owe Novell. If the
jury goes wild, they can ask the Judge to fix it afterward. They ought to just
let Kimball decide it all without their participation. Whatever the amount of
the decision is over what SCO can pay doesn't matter. They ought to just
concede a judgment to the max of their assets and then start bargaining. They
can still appeal the PSJ's.

SCO lawyers must hate working on the evidence and motions. Their claims are
gone and they continue churning for their capped fee. Their client really
didn't have any evidence or claim that a Judge could decipher. Plus the lawyers
have to be professionally skittish about letting this thing take off without
copyrights. SCO should really waive the jury. A jury is more likely to award
too much against them. However they know that Kimball certainly didn't buy
their evidence or claims. Maybe they are hoping for a few nuts on the jury,
like some chaste hermits from the salt flats. It will be hard to pick a jury of
Luddites. Everyone else will be stricken by one side or the other for using
Mac's, Linux, Unix, or the Monopoly stuff by one side or the other.

Jury instructions go on for pages and pages. They make the jury struggle to
stay awake. Hopefully the dozing juror is one you want to strike and replace
with an alternate if the alternate seems to be better. Instructions are for
appeal. You propose yours, the other side proposes theirs and the Judge comes
up with his. You object to everything but what you want, and then appeal the
instructions as error or inapproprite. With computers so facile, jurors now get
a copy of the instructions that were read to them. In the past it was pretty
absurd to have trials reversed on the basis of instructions the jury could
neither comprehend nor remember. Now that they get a copy and can analyse and
ask questions of the court, the instruction on the law actually are meaningful.
Jurors can read the instruction and browbeat each other without having to come
back into court for instruction. They have to do more work. They have the law
right in their hands.

They best hold all the conferences in court. Although it is a civil case,
attorneys are anything but civil to each other in these conferences. They take
pot shots and caste aspersions even in front of the Judge. Lawyers can get
pretty nasty when their payday, or lack thereof, become more ominous. The
lawyers here are all getting paid, but there have been Burma Shave signs along
the way that what we have here is a failure to communicate.

SCO is still in the case due to Monopoly money. If they had to spend their own
money, this would have ended long ago. So clearly it continues at the behest of
the Monopoly. Are they trying to delay their involvement? Novell doesn't have
much to gain either from SCO. Only the PIPE Fairy and the BSF insurance
companies have deep pockets. A trial might expound on these themes. Did SCO
trick the Monopoly or did the Monopoly trick SCO, or a third party trick both?
...and BSF? Greed and Lady Justice are blind.

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webster


© 2007 Monopoly Corporation. ALL rights reserved. Yours included.

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If they have no case, you must ........
Authored by: SirHumphrey on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 02:52 AM EDT
end this disgrace
wipe the smirk off their face
remove tSCOgs every trace
cut to the chase
pick up the pace
make them, prison, embrace
exile them to outer space
let them, honest justice, taste
erase these wastes of space
dismiss and make haste
punish their lies bareface
deride them anyplace
let them be swept from the marketplace
not allow them to threaten any workplace
give them egg on their face
find Blepp's briefcase
expunge the distaste
SCOSource victims, refund their purchase

their existence, erase.

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Trial viewing
Authored by: phantomjinx on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 03:18 AM EDT
I know some big trials have been broadcast in the US. Obviously, not as big a
trial for the general populace as OJ, for instance, but is it likely to be
televised or available over tinternet?

Just from the perspective that it would be nice to put faces to names.

Regards

phantomjinx (in UK)

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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: JamesK on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 07:24 AM EDT
"It's like two kids on a see saw, one of them 100 pounds heavier. The
littler kid is stranded up in the air, his little legs dangling, with no hope of
getting down unless the heavy kid decides to have mercy. And what motive does
Novell have to do that?"

Of course, Novell could simply jump off their end, letting SCO drop fast! ;-)


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Exhibits - Where the Rubber Hits the Road?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 07:32 AM EDT
So here's a question for our legal experts...

One of the item's in Judge Kimball's ruling here relates to the identification
of Exhibits that may be called upon in the course of the trial.

As we all know, The SCO Group have been playing fast-and-loose with Court
instructions relating to "identification of infringing material, with
Specificity". Up until now BSF have managed to persuade Judge Kimball that
one did not neet to offer source code as a manifestation of a method or concept,
for example, and have therefore not produced any of their method and concept
evidence (at least not as far as we have been entitled to see).

So what happens here? If SCO wanted to produce some Linux source code as
evidence (let's just say errno.h for the sake of an example) would they be
required to submit a list to the Clerk of the Court which states

"errno.h, sourced from Linux release 2.6.16"

(or an equally specific reference, and/or include a copy of the said file)? Is
this the point where Novell are finally going to be held to task over their
evidence?


This question is less relevant to the Novell case, but much more applicable to
whatever is left in "IBM", purely because it has been with
"IBM" where we have seen the most gamesmanship from BSF as they have
sought to keep IBM in the dark for as long and as much as possible.


So does anyone have experience on how explicit this list needs to be, and/or
whether or not BSF may be able to find yet more ways to wriggle around it (say
by stating "the entire source code to Linux kernel 2.6.16" for
example).


A secondary question: presuming for a moment that BSF were unable to resist the
temptation and did in fact try and game the system again, we could end up with
some fairly interesting moments in court. What would be the likely outcome if
BSF tried to introduce some previously un-disclosed evidence, after all this
time? [Obviously IBM will object and the Court will have to rule, but what's
likely in these circumstances?]

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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: Rasyr on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 09:54 AM EDT
September 17th?

Hot Dog! That's my birthday!!! What a birthday present!!

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...low enough that SCO doesn't keel over dead on the spot.
Authored by: hardcode57 on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 10:27 AM EDT
Why would any sum small enough to stop SCO going under be enough for Novell to
accept?

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Jury, no Jury - Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 11:34 AM EDT
I was always under the impression that SCO's goal, assuming the goal had
anything to do with a trial, was to get their case heard before a jury where the
ordinary citizen, not necessarily computer geeks, would plainly see how they had
been wronged and seek justice.

(I have to admit, being uninformed at the beginning of this, that some of the
stuff I read from SCO seemed awfully reasonable at the time.)

Further, if they have to go through all this paperwork, then doesn't that
increase the likelyhood for delay?

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The littler kid is stranded up in the air ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 12:16 PM EDT

"his little legs dangling, with no hope of getting down unless the heavy kid decides to have mercy."

Unless his 100-pound friend just decides to step off his end of the (legal) teeter totter.

Visualise >!THUD!<

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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 01:13 PM EDT
"The parties are required to jointly submit one set of stipulated final
instructions."

Oh, my goodness. The Judge has High Hopes.

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Why a jury trial at all?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 01:26 PM EDT
I've never understood why a corporate contract case would be eligible for a jury
trial at all. It just seems that a judge is far more qualified to interpret the
APA (as amended) as well as the various MS-SCO and Sun-SCO agreements than your
typical juror. The average person I talk to can't even tell me what version of
Windows they are using on their own PC so how are they going to work out how
much of the value of the MS-SCO agreement was for UNIX vs. Unixware? It seems
like justice is going to come down to jurors basically pulling a number out of a
hat but that just doesn't seem like justice at all to me.

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SCO's Version of Jury Instructions
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 05:49 PM EDT
"You are instructed to find for SCO and against Novell, regardless of what
the evidence says."

-- nonpartisan (not logged in)

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Why there are alternates
Authored by: overshoot on Monday, August 20 2007 @ 07:29 PM EDT
The one and only time I've been empaneled turned into an occasion for the judge to lecture all concerned about why there are alternates.

The prosecutor and the defense both asked all sorts of questions about what I did for a living, education, family relations with law enforcement, acquaintance with the accused, the arresting officer, the attorneys, etc.

Turns out they didn't ask about volunteer work.

Halfway into the trial, I ended up sending a note to the judge telling her I was having a hard time keeping personal experience separate. Court was cleared, I explained, I left, and the attorneys argued for a good half-hour. On being called back in with the rest of the jurors, we got a rather long discourse from the Court on the fact that none of us come to jury duty without personal experience, nor are we expected to, and that in fact the system expects us to have enough background to understand what's being presented.

Then the judge told everyone that rather than take even a chance of a mistrial, some jurors are dismissed with no reflection on them personally. Which was, as it happened, me. That's why there are alternates.

As soon as the jury left to deliberate, all three (prosecutor, defense, and judge) turned to me for a critique of the trial! A good time was had by all, and I'll second PJ's frequent reminder that most attorneys may be adversaries but still colleagues. The two I was facing obviously saw a lot of each other and got on fine when they weren't "on."

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The Start of the Road for IBM v PIPE Fairy et al?
Authored by: webster on Tuesday, August 21 2007 @ 12:52 AM EDT
..

1. The exact same thing that is now going on at the threshhold of the Novell
trial will go on for IBM. The landscape has changed for that trial too.
Kimballs findings in the Novell case will apply in IBM. For example in one IBM
MPSJ they cited numerous independent reasons why it should be granted. Shooting
from the lip there seems to have been the APA, a separate license, Waiver by
Novelll, Waiver by SCO using the GPL, and the statute of limitations. Clearly
the waiver of SCO claims by Novell is valid and reason for the Court to now
grant IBM at least one PSJ in their case, one that guts SCO's claims. He will
probably grant it on other reasons, just to be thorough, make it appeal proof,
and because it is true.

2. In other words, SCO was screaming about their IP when they knew that they
had no real IP to protect. The screwy cases were all for the sake of FUD,
financed by the PIPE Fairy.

3. So the question is "What is IBM, Novell, Daimler-Chrysler, AutoZone,
EV1, and other victims going to do about it?" Pursuing SCO at this point
is hardly worth the extra trouble. They will have a pile of PSJ's in which to
bury SCO. Kimball refused a coup de grâce. He could have imposed the
constructive trust on some assets pending evidence of amount owed for SUN and M$
SVRX licenses. LIke with Novell, where he refused to resolve it on the mere
Slander of Title basis raised by SCO, does Kimball see much more to the
situation that he expects to unravel? Does he see it for a mere IP case or part
of a FUD campaign? Will the SCO Saga fizzle to a quiet end? Or will some
strong back go after the PIPE Fairy and other conspirators? What should the
starting settlement value be? Is SCO's $5 billion a pittance?


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Judge Kimball Sets the Rules of the Road for SCO v. Novell
Authored by: maroberts on Tuesday, August 21 2007 @ 03:58 AM EDT
I understand that full disclosure is generally required, but under what
circumstances are "Perry Mason" amubushes allowed in court trials?

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I still want to see the evidence
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21 2007 @ 09:20 AM EDT
It's not that I don't believe Novell, or the judge, but I would just like to
see, out of curiosity'e sake, the evidence that convinced the judge that Darl
asked Novell for the copyrights back before he started shooting off his mouth.

From everything that we have been able to see, it was merely a he said - he said
argument, and that would have to be decided at trial as to who was lying, but
Judge Kimball said in his psj decision that it was clear that SCO knew they
didn't own the copyrights because they had asked Novell for them. Where is the
indisutable evidence on that one? I'm sure that it is there in one of the sealed
filings, but I would just like it to be made public so that the world can see
how SCO lied, and knowingly, willfully and with malice too.

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  • Read it up - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21 2007 @ 10:33 AM EDT
    • Read it up - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21 2007 @ 10:46 AM EDT
      • Read it up - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 22 2007 @ 02:43 PM EDT
  • Evidence ... - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, August 21 2007 @ 06:20 PM EDT
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