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Monday, July 10 2006 @ 10:55 AM EDT
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I just received an email from someone who gets SCO Partner email, and they are announcing that SCO is presenting an award to Doug Michels, who used to be the CEO of old Santa Cruz Operation, at this year's SCOForum. You know. The guy who famously said that Linux was written by punk kids and that it was free R&D for SCO. He claimed later he was misquoted. Here's the letter he wrote in 1999 to try to clear that up. I found it funny to read some of the comments on this 1999 story. Here's a bit from the announcement today: Dear SCO Partner,
SCO Forum 2006, to be held August 6-9th 2006 at the Mirage Hotel in Las Vegas plans to be one of the biggest, best Forums in its 20-year history. That's right, this is the 20th year of Forum, and to mark that milestone we are bringing back the original architect and visionary for SCO Forum, Doug Michels, one of the original founds of the Santa Cruz Operation, who will be honored with a UNIX Lifetime Achievement award. ...
The Platinum sponsor for SCO Forum 2006 is HP.
We look forward to seeing you in Vegas! Well. Not me. But it's interesting that Michels is willing to be so honored. I assume he has agreed to be there. Otherwise, it'll be like the Academy Awards: "Mr. Michels could not be here tonight, and we accept this award on his behalf." Update: There is a press release now.
Update 2: There is now video on YouTube of Darl giving Michels the award and asking some questions about SCO Forums when run by Santa Cruz.
Just to be clear, here's what he wrote in that clarification letter, in part: SCO believes that Linux is a good thing and wishes to promote its ongoing success. We believe that the success of Linux is healthy for the overall competitive landscape. We also feel that open source developments have accelerated the growth of the Internet and the general rate of innovation in the industry, and that they are often the precursor to important new commercial opportunities. We plan to continue making key open source technologies available to our customers as well as to continue contributing technology and resources to the open source community....
To clarify a few points:
a) I do not believe Linux was created by "punk kids." During interviews, when I am asked about Linux, I always clearly state my respect and admiration for Linus and the community of developers who participate in the open source movement. I believe that the open source community is often perceived as an unruly bunch of young hackers, especially by the IT establishment, and that this will be a factor in the adoption of Linux.
b) Of course, I don't believe that Red Hat is in any way fraudulent. But, I do believe that there is a fundamental difference in the value proposition to customers between that of Open Source Aggregators, such as Red Hat, and that of traditional commercial software companies such as SCO. We will continue to educate customers so that they understand our view on this difference. And I will continue to try and find the right way to communicate this in measured and objective terms but none the less forcefully.
c) I also believe in the principle that great programmers should "steal" great code whenever possible, so long as they do not violate any laws or license agreements. In hindsight, it's clear that "steal" was a poor and confusing choice of words on my part. I was perhaps being too flippant by trying to point out that one can't really steal that which is freely offered.
All in all, I sincerely apologize if anything that I said, or am reputed to have said, has offended anyone. I promise to do my best to avoid saying anything which could be twisted or misconstrued into sounding this stupid....ever again!
Doug Michels
President and CEO, SCO
So, Santa Cruz's CEO was advocating "stealing" Linux code? And he writes in 1999 that SCO was going to "continue contributing technology and resources to the open source community." That might explain some similarities, I'm thinking, huh? I found this tidbit of interest too, from an interview in 2001, after the SCO/Caldera deal: ZDNet: Why did the sale of SCO's operating system and services arms -- announced last summer -- take nine months when you originally thought it would be over in three?
Doug Michels: An acquisition is a process that requires the SEC to approve all documentation before you can ask shareholders. The transaction was more complicated than normal - and coming in the middle of the dot-com crash, the SEC was unusually paranoid about making sure everything was right. It's all about whether you disclose everything the shareholders need before they can take an informed vote. Because Caldera was a new economy Linux company, the SEC was meticulously careful. We ended up sending 800 pages of documentation to every shareholder. The process just took forever, but because of this we did have a chance to think about the actual deal and simplify it, but that meant making major changes to the document mid-way through.
When you have two public companies - one buying the other - then because both have already been audited it is a straightforward process, but because we were selling two out of three divisions we had to create accounts for the two parts of SCO going back five years. All in all, an intriguing development. Here's a screenshot of a page I saved before it too went to the great 404 in the sky, a page about some of the technological contributions SCO made, including contributions to the Linux kernel. I took this screenshot of the page in 2003 because I thought it might die and go to heaven one day. As you can see with your own eyes, SCO announced proudly to the world some items it contributed to Linux. The page is not there any more to sing SCO's praises, but I am. Their Linux kernel page used to be at http://www.sco.com/developers/community/contrib/linux.html and I quoted from it in 2004 in an article, listing the contributions they had on that page then: - Minor modifications to enhance support for Windows environments like Sun's Wabi and WINE (Ron Holt)
- Initial release of the Sangoma frame relay driver (Jim Freeman)
- Extensive work on the kernel's IPX support (Greg Page, Jim Freeman)
- SPX support (Jim Freeman)
Certain mutations of the kernel's NFS support (Olaf Kirch)
- Initial release of the TLAN network card driver (James Banks)
- Dynamic PPP channel work (Jim Freeman)
- Early support of the SMP development effort (hardware provided to the SMP development team)
- General occasional kernel hacking and patching (Torsten Duwe)
- Help with the original IBM Token Ring driver (Greg Page)
And here's the screenshot:
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Authored by: WhiteFang on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:35 AM EDT |
All I can think of is "Birds of a feather ... "
I wonder what he really thinks of Linux and SCOX now.
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Authored by: Erwan on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:36 AM EDT |
If any.
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Authored by: WhiteFang on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:38 AM EDT |
Include clickeys if you got 'em.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:40 AM EDT |
Such as when he said
"[Then there's] the whole intellectual property issue. The last thing
they want is some kid from Norway to sue for $100 million for misappropriation
of intellectual property."
Looks like he got that backward.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:55 AM EDT |
It was written by hippies !
Joke. Joke.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: kehall on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 12:11 PM EDT |
My first exposure to UNIX was in 1978 or 79, with a DEC PDP-11 that ran a
version of V6. It didn't even have the "vi" editor, and networking
was an add-on.
At the time, the company I worked for serviced these machines, and my job was to
go to Comdex and set up the equipment in the booth. At one of the shows, we did
a cooperative exercise with some guys from "The Santa Cruz Operation",
which was a small company with a half dozen very earnest and knowledgable
employees, and I strongly suspect that Doug might have been one of them. Their
business seemed to revolve around converting mainframe COBOL programs to run on
UNIX via a compiler from a company called Micro Focus.
Every time I read more of the antics of the current SCO, it saddens me that they
climbed so high, only to turn into what they did.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 12:12 PM EDT |
Linux is a disruptive technology.
The nature of disruptive technologies is that they start at the fringes. The
people who use and create it usually aren't suit wearing corporate types. They
may even look like punks to the corporate types. Too bad for the corporate
types. They often don't recognize the nature of the threat they face and even
if they do, they usually can't cope with it.
Usually an entrenched market player cedes the fringes to the disruptive
technology. The result is a retreat up-market. Finally, the disruptive
technology becomes good enough for the needs of the whole market and there's no
market left for the previous market leader.
The additional problem with open source is that the product is free. That means
that the basic business model has to change not just the value chain. IBM has
already had to re-make itself because of changing technology and that's probably
why it 'got it'. Red Hat seems to understand what it needs to do to survive.
Caldera and Santa Cruz seem to have missed the point. Microsoft has enough
resources that it can probably survive in some (changed) form just as IBM did.
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Authored by: Observer on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 12:19 PM EDT |
I haven't gone back to his original comments to see if he really was
"clarifying", or if he was just trying to back-peddle after saying something
really stupid, and getting called on the carpet for it, but from reading the
part quoted here, I don't think his comments are that far off base.
While
his use of terms is poor ("steal" has too many negative connotations), his idea
that people should steal code whenever they can (subject to the licenses of the
code) is really the basis for Open Source development, and in fact, pretty much
all scientific and technological development in human history. The one thing
that Open Source, or "Free Software" adds is that it requires that you
return whatever you have taken, along with your enhancements, so that the next
person can in turn "steal" what you have done.
His use of the term may,
however, indicate that Mr. Michels still doesn't "get" the real heart of Free
Software. When you say that something is "stolen", the implication is that the
original owner can no longer make use of that which has been taken. This is
precisely what the BSD license guarantees -- some of the offshoots and
enhancements may in fact make their way back into the commons, but many (most?)
will remain hidden away, buried in proprietary software. The part I release
will remain forever FREE, but there is no incentive for the next guy to
reciprocate and give me his work in exchange for what I have given
him.
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Authored by: Latesigner on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 12:52 PM EDT |
Larry Ellison had a predecessor.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 12:54 PM EDT |
In the mid 90s (and to some extent today), there was a popular phrase that
authors wanting to give their code away used: "Steal this code"
Indeed a 1995 book had this exact title:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201409984/sr=8-1/qid=1152550160/ref=sr_1_1/103
-1741911-3487830?ie=UTF8
If you google for Steal this code, many of the top 30 entries, are also authors
giving their code away.
So there seems to be a slang usage of the term "steal" that was
popular, meaning "use this code with permission".
I don't know if this may have influenced Doug Michaels' choice of words, or not.
(And I certainly don't know why he's wasting his time with Caldera-fake-SCO if
indeed he is).
Quatermass
IANAL IMHO etc[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: edal on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 02:14 PM EDT |
"The Platinum sponsor for SCO Forum 2006 is HP."
As if the damage done by Carly wasn't bad enough, now we have this. The next
time you want to buy an HP printer or camera just remember who the company is
supporting.
Ed Almos[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 02:21 PM EDT |
Remember that episode from ST:TOS where the peaceful science probe
"Nomad" had a collision with an alien probe and subsequently developed
a nasty little glitch causing it to "sterilize" entire solar systems
of all "imperfect biological life forms"?
Something like SCO, who used to be a respectable Unix company melding with a
pioneering Linux company to emerge as a dangerously litigous psycopath, intent
on sterilizing the IT industry of the very community that created it in the
first place.
How pitifully desparate they are to "be" old SCO. I would love to see
Mr. Michaels decline to appear, but I doubt that his value system is that far
out of alignment with newSCO. Neither old nor new SCO ever "got it".
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Authored by: Alan(UK) on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 02:50 PM EDT |
Doug Michels: An acquisition is a process that requires the SEC to approve
all documentation before you can ask shareholders. The transaction was more
complicated than normal - and coming in the middle of the dot-com crash, the SEC
was unusually paranoid about making sure everything was right. It's all about
whether you disclose everything the shareholders need before they can take an
informed vote. Because Caldera was a new economy Linux company, the SEC was
meticulously careful. We ended up sending 800 pages of documentation to every
shareholder. The process just took forever, but because of this we did have a
chance to think about the actual deal and simplify it, but that meant making
major changes to the document mid-way through.
If Old SCO really thought
that it owned the UNIX copyrights, worth zillions of dollars, and Caldera
thought that it was getting them, why did it not get mentioned if the SEC was so
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 03:05 PM EDT |
Was it intentional on SCO's part or just pure irony that SCO Forum
2006 is going to be held at the Mirage Hotel-- seems appropriate given
that SCO's case is such a flimy illusion to begin with?
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 03:18 PM EDT |
From that web archive page. Sounds a lot like another letter they sent
out:
lachlan Dunlop - Subject: SCO upgrade letter (1999-04-21
14:46:18)
About a year ago I got a letter from SCO. It was a competitive
upgrade letter that would give me a copy of SCO for 750+750 a year for
maintenance. The jist of the letter was to upgrade from an obsolete OS called
Linux?
I think not, SCO free, Microsoft free.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 04:10 PM EDT |
I was looking at the IBM timeline and saw the following two events listed:
7-July-06 Rebuttal Expert Reports
10-July-06 Final Deadline for Expert Discovery
Has anyone with a Pacer account seen anything filed relating to these
deadlines?
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 04:32 PM EDT |
"SCO Forum 2006, ... plans to be one of the biggest, best Forums in its
20-year history."
Hmmmm ... just like SCOG plans to collect big $ damages from IBM.
To me this is just market-droid wild claims and hyperbole.
I also take exception with the comment about "how can you
'steal' something freely given". Open-source software may
be obtained possibly free of charge, and has other
freedoms associated with it, but it is NOT entirely free.
There are certain requirements associated with GPL or LGPL
or even BSD. These requirements are part of the 'cost' of
Open-source software.
These 'costs' are not necessary to simply use open-source
software, but often the only thing that allows you to
distribute open-source is to meet these requirements ...
(... pay these 'costs').
It seems these people (Doug Michels) just do not 'get'
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Authored by: sonicfrog on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 05:10 PM EDT |
I just came across this fun bit of
spin on the last ruling from Judge Wells. Enjoy! [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: BobinAlaska on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 05:54 PM EDT |
Couldn't resist looking to see who other than HP are sponsering the forum. Hp
is Platinum and MySQL is Gold. No other sponsers are listed. They do have an ad
for exhibitors but I didn't see a list of any who have signed up.
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Bob Helm, Juneau, Alaska
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 06:00 PM EDT |
If you kill a shark you may discover that even after delivering it a mortal
wound in a vital organ, you still have a very active and dangerous animal to
deal with, for an amazingly long time. And sometimes if you behead a chicken it
will continue to run around for a minute or so. And we've all had the
experience of bisecting an earthworm while gardening and watching the two doomed
halves crawl off in different directions as if they had somewhere to go.
So it should not be so amazing that SCOG is holding a forum, wooing developers,
and handing out awards.
It's really creepy to watch, though.
-Wang-Lo.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 06:14 PM EDT |
It's held at the Mirage...
MSS2[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 06:55 PM EDT |
Am I the only one who find it questionable that HP & MySQL, who both
claim to be Linux and Open Source friendly companies, are sponsoring an event
hosted by SCO?
I would suggest that we all let both HP and MySQL know
that we find this action questionable and suggest they withdraw their
support.
I've personally submitted a short message to both HP &
MySQL, letting them know my displeasure about this, an I'd suggest you all do
the same.
I personally used these links to send those messages :
HP : http://www.hp.com
/hpinfo/execteam/email/hurd/index.html
MySQL : http://www.mysql.com/company/contac
t/
If you do contact them, please, Please, *PLEASE* be polite in
your mail. Flames, rants and the like will only do more harm than
good.
Also, using your real name and email address when you contact them
will lend more credibility to your message.
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Authored by: hardcode57 on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 07:57 PM EDT |
Notice that both keynote speakers are analysts (not even consultants), rather
than people who actually use the technology commercially.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: blacklight on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 08:52 PM EDT |
The trouble with a lot of these MBA suits such as Doug Michaels is that the
capitalist system as they know it requires a profit motive at all levels to
work. The capitalist system itself, as represented by IBM for example,is showing
a great degree of flexibility, adaptability and resilience working effectively
with those who don't have a well developed profit motive.
It's just that these MBA suits haven't caught up with the reality of the
capitalist system as it works as opposed to their concept of the capitalist
system as it is supposed to work. It is these MBA suits who demonstrate lack of
mental flexibility, adaptability and resilience, not the capitalist system.
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Know your enemies well, because that's the only way you are going to defeat
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:03 PM EDT |
I looked at the original comments referred to in the story. And lo and
behold, some dude had this to say (in 1999!):
We have used
SCO Unix for a long time, and have migrated to Linux because SCO was not
satisfactory: it does not support enough hardware, it is slow, its support is
expensive, its products are expensive, the quality of its tools is not very
high. SCO wants to make lots of money without investing enough in development
and structural improvement.
Now you know why SCO failed as a
UNIX provider.
You should have listened to your customers and sued your
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Authored by: Brian S. on Monday, July 10 2006 @ 11:19 PM EDT |
Richard Morgan, Chairman of the Board
Chairman and CEO of
Amphion Capital Partners LLC. Over the last twenty years, Mr. Morgan has been
involved directly in the successful creation and development of over 30
companies in the software, computer systems, healthcare.... Firestar
Software The Amphion management team has significant experience in
nurturing companies through all stages of their growth adopting a hands-on
approach to operating as an extension of their management teams. Collectively,
the team has created and developed more than 30 technology-driven companies in
the information technology, physical and life sciences industries. Our public
companies have included Celgene, Medisense, SEQUUS, Quidel, Macromedia, Veritas,
Vortech Data, Santa Cruz Operation, and AXCESS.
Richard C.E. Morgan is
Chief Executive Officer of Amphion Innovations PLC. He was a founder and CEO
of Amphion Capital Partners LLC....Mr. Morgan currently serves as chairman
of Axcess International, Inc. (Nasdaq:AXSI), FireStar Software, Inc., and Motif
BioSciences Inc.....
Amphion PLC
Is Doug Michels outed?
Brian S. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: kawabago on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 01:39 AM EDT |
and getting an award from SCO is like getting a free tar and feathering! [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 05:47 AM EDT |
To me it seems they either didn't configure their linux properly, or tested on
different hardware.
If you look at python/jboss vs. .net you will see the difference.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 07:13 AM EDT |
The following Stock Exchange comparisons make for some interesting associations
between SCO actions and stock price. No doubt someone with more time on their
hands can link the individual actions and the effect on SCO
stock.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=my&l=on&z=m&q=l&a
mp;c=ibm,%5EIXIC
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Authored by: magic on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 08:24 AM EDT |
Funny how things change. I recall working with Caldera Openlinux (wayback) and
COAS started as the "Caldera Open Administration System.
I do not recall it
being renamed / rebranded SCO Open Administration System (maybe they didn't like
the term SOAS - too close to SOS?)
Anyway, the release was Caldera Open
Administration System - Version 1.1 (stable) released on 1999-09-03, and am
unsure of when the name change occured.
A few ref(s) IRT COAS:
http://directory.fsf.org/all/coas.
html
http://www.webdevelopersjournal.com/software/linux_caldera_vs_redhat.html
http://www.linuxjournal.com/arti
cle/4052
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?
ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/12-04-2000/0001379006&EDATE=
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Authored by: fudisbad on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 09:47 AM EDT |
>> "SCO Forum 2006, to be held August 6-9th 2006 at the Mirage Hotel
in Las Vegas plans to be one of the biggest, best Forums in its 20-year
history."
Is that also because it is going to be the last, thus going out with a bang
instead of a whimper?
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"SCO’s failure to provide code for the methods and concepts it claims were
misappropriated is [...] a violation of this court’s orders." - Judge Brooke
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Authored by: jog on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 11:23 AM EDT |
See this analysis published in Unix Gram (G2)
in Jan of 93.
http://r.empstudios.com/Techdoc/Unix/novell.att
I found this trying to sus id of DDT on Yahoo SCOX
message bd.. He seems to know and care for MOG.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 11 2006 @ 03:59 PM EDT |
RE: Doug Michels, this is priceless......
"[Then there's] the whole intellectual property issue. The last thing they
want is some kid from Norway to sue for $100 million for misappropriation of
intellectual property."
What about the kid (SCO) from America?
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