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The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD
Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 02:42 PM EST

If you were wondering what the answer was to the recent Wasabi FUD about the GPL and Sarbanes Oxley, here it is, from the Software Freedom Law Center, "Sarbanes-Oxley and the GPL: No Special Risk". When I first read the Wasabi paper, I had two reactions: 1) Man, some BSD folks fight dirty, and 2) I wish I was qualified to answer their anti-GPL FUD. I knew enough to know it was FUD, but I didn't feel I could personally write an answer. I'm really glad someone has.

Eben Moglen points out there has never been a case where criminal charges were ever brought against a GPL user for violating the SOX Act. Ever. For that matter, the paper explains that it is unlikely it ever would happen because to be criminally liable under the Act, there has to be intentional misconduct. The paper also "points out that SOX generally applies only to public companies and that disclosure in a company's SEC reports is not necessary if a company’s use of the license is immaterial to its business. It also states that companies that must comply with SOX bear the full cost of SOX compliance regardless of the licenses of the software they choose," as the press release puts it.

You might as well read the entire press release, which is here and I'll reproduce it below. Shame on Wasabi for floating FUD. Peter Galli at eWeek has a story on the entire shameful episode and the response now by the Software Freedom Law Center:

Wasabi Systems has created a Web site that contains a licensing guide that includes a section on how the Sarbanes-Oxley Act "has changed the open source landscape by making GPL violations a federal crime."

Wasabi Systems has also posted a white paper to its Web site titled "When GPL Violations Are Sarbanes-Oxley Violations," which says that the SOX (Sarbanes-Oxley) Act requires public companies to provide truthful disclosures of information, including ownership of intellectual property.

However, the latest Software Freedom Law Center white paper maintains ... these issues were reviewed and it was found that there is in fact no special risk for developing GPL'd code under SOX. "Under most circumstances, the risk posed to a company by SOX is not affected by whether they use GPL'd or any other type of software. Arguments to the contrary are pure anti-GPL FUD [fear, uncertainty and doubt]," the paper says.

OSDL gave seed funding to set up the Center, if I recall. I know you join me in saying thank you to OSDL for doing so. If by any chance you'd like to read the Sarbanes-Oxley Act itself, here you go [PDF].

************************************

March 7, 2006
Software Freedom Law Center Addresses Erroneous Interpretation of Sarbanes-Oxley as Applied to the General Public License

NEW YORK, March 7, 2006 – The Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC), provider of pro-bono legal services to protect and advance Free and Open Source Software (FOSS), today announced it has published a white paper on its position regarding alleged General Public License (GPL) violations in relation to the Sarbanes-Oxley Act (SOX). The paper, titled “Sarbanes-Oxley and the GPL: No Special Risk,” is available at: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/publications/Sarbanes-Oxley.html.

“Recent discussions regarding the GPL and SOX have been wrought with false information and have prompted the SFLC to issue its position on the topic,” said Eben Moglen, chair of the Software Freedom Law Center. “It is our job at the SFLC to provide the best legal advice and resources to our clients. This paper will help users of the GPL, from developers working on FOSS projects to CIOs working at Fortune 500 companies, to clearly understand there is no new need for concern. The fact remains that no criminal charges on the basis of violating the SOX Act have ever been brought against a GPL user.”

The SFLC paper defines the realistic impact of a GPL violation as it could be applied under SOX. The SFLC paper points out that SOX generally applies only to public companies and that disclosure in a company's SEC reports is not necessary if a company’s use of the license is immaterial to its business. It also states that companies that must comply with SOX bear the full cost of SOX compliance regardless of the licenses of the software they choose. Lastly, the paper explains that if SOX applies to a GPL violation, it is not likely that a company or developer would be criminally liable, since the Act cannot be criminally violated without intentional misconduct.

“The idea that a GPL violation could result in jail time is unreasonable,” said Karen Sandler, attorney at the Software Freedom Law Center. “You take away this unlikely threat, and the argument is reduced only to compliance, and GPL compliance is remarkably simpler than that of alternative licenses.”


  


The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD | 242 comments | Create New Account
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OT here please
Authored by: troll on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 03:13 PM EST
With clickable links if you know how to make them.

Yours truly ...

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Corrections here
Authored by: Woad_Warrior on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 03:29 PM EST
That way PJ can find'em.

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The Timely Answer
Authored by: ankylosaurus on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 03:33 PM EST
I'd was just going through my in-box and found a pointer to the controversy, and
was going to send the info to PJ, but I see PJ is already fully briefed and has
provided the answers for us. Thanks, PJ.

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The funny thing behind the FUD
Authored by: RealProgrammer on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 03:42 PM EST
Much in the same way SCO sees a boogieman behind every corner of IBM's
arguments, the other side (whatever that means) sees danger in Open Source.

It's as if the wheels are turning,"They're giving something away. Just
because they want to. It can't be that simple, there must be a trick."

Well, there is a trick, but it's not what they think. The thing about giving is
that it's contagious. When you get a gift, you tend to look for ways to give.


At least, that's the plan.

---
(I'm not a lawyer, but I know right from wrong)

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The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD
Authored by: imroy on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 03:59 PM EST
The 'G' in GPL stands for GNU, not General. The GPL is the *GNU* general public
license. The name "general public license" could refer to anything
without "GNU" out the front.

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The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD
Authored by: Nick_UK on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:08 PM EST
Last week at work everybody was given a 'disclaimer' to
sign.

Basically it signs over rights/copyright to stuff you
develop/do at work to the Company - including patents (I
would get a grand total of a £200 reward if I get a
successful patent awarded!!!).

I refused to sign it (nicely) as all/most of my sysadmin
stuff is GPL software - I fix/develop things and pass back
to the community. This 'disclaimer' would not allow me to
do that.

I am in current discussion with the ethics/business
manager and such people to resolve this. But no way am I
giving in. They are happy to take, but not give - this
(my) issue would have been invisible until this
'disclaimer' came up.

Nick

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Here is an interesting article on Wasabi
Authored by: seeks2know on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:10 PM EST

Here is an interesting interview in OSNews of Jay Michaelson, VP of Wasabi.

The article introduces the company this way:

The main commercial company behind NetBSD is Wasabi Systems. The company has contributed advances and big chunks of code to the open source project, while they do offer a boxed release of NetBSD. However, their main business for the company is the embedded market and NetBSD is marketed as an embedded OS. Today, we talk to the Vice President of Wasabi Systems, Jay Michaelson.

In the article, he bashes the Linux and the GPL several times. So put your boots on, the FUD is rather deep.

---
There is but one straight course, and that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily."
-- George Washington

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Wasabi's take on LKM's
Authored by: Woad_Warrior on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:10 PM EST
Wasabi's take on LKM's seems to incorporate a good deal of FUD also. But it does also include some truths. (mainly about how adding proprietary modules goes against the spirit of Linux, and that it may also cause other problems such as, instability, having to wait on the whims of the people who can access the code to make updates and bugfixes, etc.... But that would affect any FOSS system.) (NVidia and other proprietary drivers rants belong in OT thread.)

For the most part, the FUD on that page is the same as on the other pages. What they say about having to donate your code if you use any GPL code seems to be the most glaring. Of course they then go on to say that there are ways around the requirement, but they try to make it seem like these methods are somehow illegal, or may become so. Unpopular, I'll grant you, but that the couple of methods mentioned are somehow going to get you in trouble? Kinda makes you wonder what solutions this company, who admits to using FOSS, really wants to push on their customers.

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I wish people would check their facts
Authored by: Chris Lingard on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:12 PM EST

This person or company has never checked the facts, they are clearly wrong, or just mixed up.

As discussed above, none of this applies to companies who merely use GPL software, such as those who run Linux on their servers, as long as their software was created in a compliant way.

What is this supposed to mean. What do they mean "compliant way"? You can download binaries, RPM packages, or source, You can compile the source and run it. You can modify it in-house and use it. Does this reporter understand what software is?

Specifically, if a company modifies GPL-governed software, it is required by the terms of the license to make its modifications (i.e., derivative works) open source as well. Failure to do so results in nullification of the right to use, sell or otherwise distribute that software.

Wrong again, guess they wrote this on a bad day. You can modify and use GPL software as any technical person understands. Only if you want to release it must the modifications be GPL, and the source must be available. But you own copyright to your modifications, then release it under GPL. You can sell it, rent it out, charge for support. And customers are happy to pay for support.

Effectively, a violation of the GPL means that the software company does not duly own its software.

Land grabbing is not allowed, what do you expect if you violate the licence. But if you are honest, and do not cheat, you keep the copyright of what you have created.

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Illustrates the problem with BSD license
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:15 PM EST

This whole unsavory affair illustrates the problem with the BSD license. If you license your code under the BSD, you are giving it to companies like Wasabi Systems - a company that not only doesn't give anything back to the community whose software it exploits, but actively tries to damage that community.

If the affair persuades just one developer to stop using the BSD license and to switch to the GPL, some good will have come out of it.

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FUD of the day
Authored by: bstone on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:26 PM EST
Whatever topic "someone" thinks is hot will get this type of
publicity. A couple of days ago, Fark picked up an article about the dangers of
driving while talking on a cell phone. In that case, the driver also just
happened to be using cocaine, methamphetamines and alcohol at the time, but the
article headline was the cell phone. You had to read the whole article to catch
the rest of the story. The "story" was about how dangerous it was to
use a cell phone while driving. When the writer has an agenda, that's what you
get in the article.

Of course, if a company violates the license for the software they are using (or
selling), they will have legal problems. This has nothing to do with whether
the illegal code is GPL or not. We're back to the same scare story with a
slightly different tag line. The old (SCOX) story is about how likely
proprietary code is to be copied into open source (not likely, compared to
closed source where the copying wouldn't have to be done in broad daylight).
Now it's another "angle" on the same attempt at a story.

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  • FUD of the day - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:53 PM EST
    • FUD of the day - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 09:21 PM EST
GPL violation by Wasabi?
Authored by: hopethishelps on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:26 PM EST

On Wasabi's web site we see that a key part of Wasabi's product line is a "Wasabi-enhanced GNU Toolchain".

If they have "enhanced" (well, modified) any part of the GNU Toolchain, and distributed the modified tools in binary form to clients, then they have certain obligations under the GPL.

Does anyone know a Wasabi customer?

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Critical issue: Wasabi is a biased source
Authored by: dwheeler on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 04:44 PM EST
It's important to note that Wasabi is a biased source. Wasabi's primary work is on NetBSD, which competes with Linux (and has a far smaller market share than Linux). The NetBSD kernel is also open source software, though using the BSD license instead of the GPL license, and it can be turned into a proprietary product (it's not clear that Wasabi does this, but its per-seat license suggests that it may).

So we have a company trying to generate fear of a competitor's product. They're trying to instill fear of the GNU GPL license, under which their competitor (the Linux kernel) is released, and saying you should use their product instead. Hardly a new tactic; this is simply another organization playing the same old tactic. Any such claims should be viewed with a critical eye, and in this case the claims don't stand up to real scrutiny.

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The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD
Authored by: Steve Martin on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 05:07 PM EST

Wasabi Systems has created a Web site that contains a licensing guide that includes a section on how the Sarbanes-Oxley Act "has changed the open source landscape by making GPL violations a federal crime."

Um, IANAL, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that GPL violations by definition result in copyright infringement, which is already a Federal crime. Further, it was that way long before the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, so it has nothing whatsoever to do with S-Ox.

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night"

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The obvious question that springs to my mind is....
Authored by: mram on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 05:13 PM EST
What is the relationship between Wasabi and MS?


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SFLC memo is disjointed and doesn't address the point.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 05:14 PM EST

Well, maybe Wasabi has changed their web site significantly, but in comparing the two, you find that the SFLC memo is more flawed than the Wasabi site.

First off, almost every link goes directly to the middle of the Wasabi information. ie: sox.html rather than to the beginning of the report. When one starts reading something in the middle. you miss such important points as:

So, whether the GPL matters depends on whether you're changing and redistributing the code. And that depends on your business application. For example, if you are running Linux on your server, you're almost certainly not changing and redistributing the Linux code, so the GPL's provisions do not apply -- notwithstanding the "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" one hears in certain quarters. On the other hand, if you're embedding Linux in a device, you probably are changing and redistributing the Linux code, and so the GPL does apply.
Source "Does the GPL Matter to your Business?"

Throughout the report, Wasabi makes it clear that it's talking about distributed modified GPL source as your main product or a significant portion thereof. The SFLC memo on the other hand doesn't seem to make clear what it's actually talking about:

We have reviewed these issues and, as discussed more fully below, there is in fact no special risk for developing GPL'd code under SOX.
Then later:
In the end, contrary to what others may argue, there is in fact no additional SOX liability or risk for using GPL software.

You will notice that at the start they mention developing GPL'd code however, they consistantly mention, and concude with a statement regarding "use of GPL software". The Wasabi report specifically addresses the modification and distribution of GPL code and clearly outlines that if that's what you do, you have three options:

  1. Comply with the GPL, and donate the code you paid to create to anyone who wants it.
  2. Try to use workarounds (boot-loadable modules, etc.)
  3. Noncompliance (cheat and wait until someone catches you)

It then goes on to explain how #3 is a bad idea and #2 is not definately a valid solution.

If one were to pretend that the Wasabi report was written specifically to TiVo before the source was made available, you would be reading it in what appears to be the me to be the correct light. I can only assume there's some FUD somewhere which takes the Wasabi information out of context and suggests that the mere use of GPL software can in some way effect SOX compliance.

It is not, however, on the Wasabi website.

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Wasabi & Wallace
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 05:38 PM EST
Daniel Wallace is a *big* BSD advocate. I'd be willing to bet
that Wallace is talking to (or manipulating) Wasabi Systems.

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interesting quote
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 05:50 PM EST
From the Wasabi article:

[O]ver 50% of the risk assessment is done by engineering teams. A reasonable
interpretation of Sarbanes-Oxley is that this common practice breaks the law. If
engineering teams are in charge of compliance and risk assessment, executives
are trusting non-lawyers to make legal decisions. Even if those decisions are
right, the process is wrong - and that means it's a Sarbanes-Oxley violation if
the company is public.

--
If that's true, doesn't it also apply to BSD and to proprietary software?

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Hidden Terrors in Proprietary Licenses
Authored by: darkonc on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 06:05 PM EST
Under the Microsoft XP EULA, backing out of a software update because it breaks your (mission-critical?) application can result in you potentially losing all rights to use the software at all.

Once you update your software, you no longer have the right to use the old version. If you then go back to using the old version then you are in violation of the EULA, and subject to being forced to destroy all versions of your software at Microsoft's whim.

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"Man, some BSD folks fight dirty"
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 06:43 PM EST
Sadly, I agree. Disclaimer: This obviously isn't intended
to be a "BSD stereotype" or to imply that the whole
community is this way... but, in the years I've watched
Linux grow up from 2.0, I don't think a lot of people in
the BSD crowd have ever been very friendly.

I remember in the 2.2 days when they were still loudly
trumpeting about how they had superior performance in some
areas. 2.4 came around, and a lot of this changed. By the
time 2.6 came around, Linux was whipping *serious* ass in
all kinds of important areas like network performance,
number of deployments, availability of commercial support
and skilled workers, etc. Nowadays, the vast majority of
the Top 500 fastest supercomputers in the world run Linux.

And I still witness extreme fanboyism all over the
place... BSD zealots telling Linux newbies that Linux
isn't a very capable server, or that *BSD is faster. (And
I've never seen a single one, when challenged, actually
back those claims up.)

Meanwhile, the founder of OpenBSD goes out to the news
telling the world that he thinks Linux is terrible, it's
crap, etc. The reporter accurately suggested 'sour
grapes'. And Torvalds had the perfect quote in response,
stating that the man 'is difficult' and declining to
comment further.

Time goes on, out comes FreeBSD 6.0. The press release
proudly alludes to some unspecified benchmark in which
FreeBSD 6.0 was allegedly faster than Linux at "data
throughput". They failed to define data throughput, failed
to provide any information about what version of Linux was
tested, etc.

And they still try to convince Linux supporters to switch
because of the GPL. Cause, you know, it's great for
companies to be able to swallow your product whole and
turn it into a proprietary minefield.

I wish they'd spend more time modernizing their operating
systems than trying to fight Linux's immense popularity
with outright offensive FUD.

</rant>

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Does anyone know if Wasabi is in financial trouble?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 09:35 PM EST
Is Wasabi desperate or just jealous?

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FOSS != GPL
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 10:12 PM EST
"GPL compliance is remarkably simpler than that of alternative licenses."

Not to raise hackles, but I must admit I don't understand this. What could be simpler or better than the FreeBSD license? In some ways it can be seen as superior in every way, including the fact that it allows any kind of use and doesn't necessitate buy-in to the author's political views.

The idea of FOSS and the GPL are two quite separate things. And maybe FreeBSD has the former right.

J

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"including ownership of intellectual property"
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 08 2006 @ 01:23 AM EST
What does that even mean? Ownership of what? Do they have to disclaim
ownership of minesweeper on every Windows desktop?

I would assume (which is probably a bad thing to do) that the law applies more
to a SCO/Novell situation where a company is claiming to make money off of
copyright/patent/trademark licensing, but that they don't actually own the
rights to sell licenses.

Did the Wasabi people mean to imply the GPL takes away ownership? That's of
course absolutely false. Even if a company decides to cure a GPL violation by
obeying the license, that doesn't mean they don't hold the copyright over the
software they wrote.

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The idea that a GPL violation could result in jail time is unreasonable?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 08 2006 @ 06:33 AM EST
Actually, why?

I know someone who was sent to prison by the BSA for employing people who used
unlicensed software (3d studio, etc) in making a game.

Fair is fair.
Why would it be unreasonable to send some GPL violators in prison?

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Right Here: To ALL the people saying where's the FUD....
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 08 2006 @ 07:38 AM EST
From: http://www.wasabisystems.com/gpl/lkmkernel.html

"LKMs all have to include at least one "header file", an
incorporation by reference (using the #include<> function in C) of certain
preliminary kernel-specific information, without which the module would not be
able to function. Header files distributed with a kernel are essential to inform
the compiler (which converts the source code into machine readable code) about
the environment the code will operate in. Header files also can contain certain
macros which save programmers effort in their coding, making abbreviated
references to longer pieces of code crafted to work within the kernel
environment. The inclusion of one or more of these header files, which are
distributed as a part of the GPL'ed Linux distribution, within one's own LKM,
arguably makes an open and shut case that the module contains verbatim copying
of GPL'ed subject matter, and is, hence, an infringement of the author's rights
unless made under the authority of a license. The only license under which the
linux kernel header files are offered is the GPL, so if one makes copies of
them, and then makes works based on them, then one is obliged to meet the GPL's
conditions, or be found to be an infringer."

1) Doubt

The weasle word is "arguably", the header file is not copied into your
code, the header file is a link device to allow you to connect to connection
points.
'Arguably' using macros provided in the header file, creates copying of code
from the header to your own code.

Using this argument 'Arguably' any code you've written for Winstalls now belong
to Microsoft (#include <windows.h>)

2) Uncertainty

Arguably, those macros are provided as convenience functions and the use of the
'name of the macro' in your code is authorised by the copyright holder.
In addition to the fact that while the code to which the macro refers is
probably/may be protected by copyright, the name of the macro is NOT, and as it
is only that which is referred to in your (supposed derivative) copyrighted
work, So it is also arguably *NOT* in violation of the GPL.

NOTE: IANAL but the US copyright office uses the following in it's definitions
of what is not protectd by copyright.
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wnp
- Titles, names, short phrases, and slogans; familiar symbols or designs; mere
variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering, or coloring; mere listings
of ingredients or contents

I am guessing that the macro name falls in to this category.

3) Fear

The author of the original article has used tortuous reasoning to present an
extra-ordinarily lopsided argument. He has then taken this imbalanced (and quite
probably wrong) view of the use of header files and decided to place it in the
context of Sarbannes-Oxley as an [arguably] Open and shut case of a Sarbannes
Oxley violation not just a GPL infringement (or not)

The effect of this is to suggest that if a lowly geek writes the following
(pseudo) code (back off nit pickers).
#include <linux/kernel.h>
print min(ARGV[1],ARGV[2]);
compiles it and then embeds the resulting binary object in Huge mega public
corporations specialised widget then the CEO and his chums will end up doing
Jail Time with Bubba and Spud.


To Summarise.....
The stated arguments of Wasabi threaten (Fear) on the basis of lopsided and
incomplete (Uncertainty and Doubt) reasoning

Hence FUD.


It's not that diffficult.
(though, and I am sure PJ will agree, you do have to make sure you do your
research and not just skim and jump to judgement)

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The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD
Authored by: vonbrand on Wednesday, March 08 2006 @ 09:24 AM EST

PJ, I think you are being unfair to the BSD crowd. They are mostly people who care deeply about software freedom, and they are right in that the BSD license is freer than GPL. The idea of sharing is the same, just that BSD relies on everybody following their moral duty to do so, GPL makes it a legal condition.

That said, there is a lot of people who'd just love to have everything in the public domain, and failing that, under the BSD license, because they want the right to (ab)use the software, but aren't willing to give anything in return (something GPL forces you to do).

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The Answer to the Wasabi anti-GPL Sarbanes-Oxley FUD
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 10 2006 @ 05:53 AM EST
The purveyors of BSD do what all companies do when their product fails to attain
mindshare and fails in the marketplace. They've resorted to flat-out lying.
Wasabi Systems is well known for their lack of integrity when discussing the
GPL.

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