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Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 12:23 AM EST

Here's Red Hat's latest letter [PDF] to Judge Sue Robinson on developments in the various cases since the end of September, as text. It's a remarkably casual effort, as if the attorney was distracted with another case of greater importance or ran out of time or figures it's just make-work anyhow.

For example, when listing events in SCO v. IBM, there is no mention of SCO getting slapped down in the last two orders, nothing about SCO being told that it had misinterpreted Judge Brooke Wells' orders and that IBM wasn't guilty of failing to provide Linux discovery, and there is an error of fact. The letter tells the judge that the number of depositions has been increased to 10 per side. It's 10 *more* per side, for a grand total of 50 per side. Probably the Red Hat attorney couldn't believe a number that high.

And while the letter tells the court that the parties agreed to drop the three IBM patent counterclaims, it doesn't explain why -- that SCO is making so little money that a patent infringement action is pointless in terms of any damages and that IBM made the offer to try to move the case along. SCO was asking for 25 more depositions at that point, saying it needed 65, based on the counterclaims in large part. So IBM made the offer, and so SCO got only 10 more depositions, as did IBM. There is also no mention that while SCO lost its motion, IBM voluntarily offered documents from the files of 20 developers.

Inexplicably, there is also no mention of IBM's Motion to Compel the Production of Privilege Log Documents, which it won. There is also no mention of SCO filing by the interim and final deadline its list of allegedly infringed material and no mention of the subpoenas on the SCO accountants, or that SCO asked for a protective order. And the letter is silent about SCO's Objection to Judge Wells' Order of October 12, 2005 and how Judge Kimball shot that down.

I gather no one at Red Hat is expecting this boulder lodged in the mud in Delaware to start moving any time soon, so it doesn't much matter what they write at this point. But the contrast with the typical SCO spin on their ball is marked.

On the Novell case, the letter mentions the scheduling order, but doesn't mention that the parties have to conference with Judge Kimball to see how the two cases will interface. I would think that would be important information for the Red Hat judge, but what do I know? But just in case it's a matter of running out of time, I hope the parties feel free to use the Groklaw Archives, which are listed by date, most recent first, so it's easy to see what happened in the past quarter.

*********************

[Young Conaway Stargatt & Taylor letterhead]

December 27, 2005

BY ELECTRONIC FILING

The Honorable Sue L. Robinson
Chief Judge
United States District Court
[address]

Re: Red Hat, Inc. v. SCO Group, Inc.
Civil Action No. 03-772-SLR

Dear Chief Judge Robinson:

Pursuant to the Court's April 6, 2004 Order requesting a quarterly report on the status of various related litigation matters, Red Hat, Inc. ("Red Hat") submits this letter as an update to its previous letter, dated September 29, 2005. Although Red Hat is not a party to these other related cases, Red Hat offers the following summary based upon publicly available information.

1. SCO Group, Inc. v. International Business Machines Corp.

By an order dated August 10, 2005, the parties stipulated to the dismissal of IBM's eleventh, twelfth, and thirteen counterclaims, all of which alleged patent infringement. The court also ruled on three discovery motions filed by SCO in an order dated October 23, 2005 as follows: (1) ruling was postponed pending the filing of new motions on SCO's motion to compel discovery seeking documents from certain IBM executives and Board members; (2) SCO's motion to compel discovery relating to IBM's Linux contribution activities was denied; and (3) the number of allowable depositions was increased to ten per side.

2. SCO Group, Inc. v. AutoZone, Inc.

Since the filing of our last letter to the Court, no significant activity has occurred in this case.

3. SCO v. Novell, Inc.

On December 6, 2005, the Court issued a scheduling order, setting the following dates: fact discovery due by November 1, 2006; expert discovery due by January 12, 2007; and all dispositive motions due by January 26, 2007. A jury trial has been set for June 25, 2007. Otherwise, there has been no significant activity in this case since the filing of our previous update letter.

Respectfully submitted,

___[signature]___
Josy W. Ingersoll (No. 1088)

JWI:cg

cc: Clerk of the Court (by CM/ECF and hand delivery)
Jack B. Blumenfeld, Esquire (by electronic filing/e-mail)
Mark J. Heise, Esquire (by e-mail)
Stephen N. Zack, Esquire (by e-mail)
Mark G. Matuschak, Esquire (by e-mail)
Michelle D. Miller, Esquire (by e-mail)


  


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OT Here
Authored by: shadowone on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 12:33 AM EST
Please include clickable links

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I was going to include a witty saying,
but I couldn't think of one.

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Corrections here
Authored by: shadowone on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 12:34 AM EST
Just in case there is a typo..

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I was going to include a witty saying,
but I couldn't think of one.

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It's Christmas
Authored by: gibodean on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 12:49 AM EST
The Redhat lawyers probably had better things to do than submit this document,
and it shows.

It could have been a forgotten rush job done after a liquid lunch.

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Stacked deck... somewhere there is a mystery!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 01:17 AM EST
Is this a chess move?

To look like the game is new to one, or to lure out some other play from the
shadows? Hmmm, where the heck is the player that shows the AT&T/USL vs
BSDI card (and when)? Red Hat is the likely player as they have, unlike IBM, no
"UNIX" asset!

Who really has a vested interest in UNIX? Think hard.

Then, who also is steering business toward Red Hat... and how big are those
numbers, exactly?

Shakespeare would have had fun with this. Or was it actually someone else who
was the real bard? The plot seems to lighten, to less light (to whose
delight)?


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Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Authored by: JRR on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 04:23 AM EST
A few days before the next Quarterly letter to the Red Hat Judge is due, could
someone (preferably someone with some sort of legal background) write a detailed
and balanced "Quarterly letter" as if to the Red Hat Judge, and post
it to Groklaw. If this letter were accompanied by a copyright statement
indicating that Red Hat and SCO lawyers were free to copy parts or all of this
letter into their letters to the Judge, it's possible the Judge would receive
more detailed letters on the state of the play than she has been getting so far.

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Another factual error
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 04:26 AM EST
(2) SCO's motion to compel discovery relating to IBM's Linux contribution
activities was denied;

That sgould be: IBM's Linux development activities.

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Letter is underwritten by experienced attorney
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 06:03 AM EST
Josy W Ingersoll is partner not some unexperienced lawyer.

She has specialised in IP litigations:
Her page

So sloppy work is not because lack of experience,
perhaps Red Hat pays so little that she simply doesn't have interest to do best possible job ?

T A from Finland

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Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Authored by: kb8rln on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 07:02 AM EST

It is simple why Redhat letter is half hearted. Redhat see that there will be no money left for them after Novell and IBM is done with them. Why waste the money.


Enjoy,
Richard Rager

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Director Of Infrastructure Technology (DOIT)
Really this is my Title so I not a Lawyer.

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Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Authored by: John Hasler on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 08:39 AM EST
> It's a remarkably casual effort...

I think it is pretty clear that until they can report that the copyright issue
is settled it doesn't matter what they say.

---
IOANAL. Licensed under the GNU General Public License

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Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 09:42 AM EST
When RedHat filed the suit, SCO was actively attacking
Linux with lots of media parade and definitely had some
scare effect. So RedHat went to court to protect its
business. By now, the case has turned badly against SCO,
the media parade has stopped, nobody takes SCO seriously,
nobody is scared to install Linux. So, why should ReHat
bother, why should they burn money on the litigation ?

It is perfectly logical that they let the case sleep.

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Why the letter is so brief
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 10:37 AM EST
Judge Robinson has put RH v. SCO is on hold pending some clarity about the
validity, or lack thereof, of SCO's claims. And the 'Standard of Clarity' she's
required to operate under exceeds "Everybody knows SCO's claims are
bogus".

So the brevity can be explained by the fact that none of the activity in the
IBM, AZ, or Novell cases is dispositive WRT to RH v SCO.

But I can barely wait to read Red Hat's next letter; some good stuff should
emerge by then.

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The Xmas excuse???
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 10:41 AM EST
Yes I think this was the attorney’s problem...

But as s(he) is getting paid for this I don’t think its a good enough effort...

Shirkers!

Shame on you ...

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Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Authored by: Tufty on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 11:14 AM EST
>
Here's Red Hat's latest letter [PDF] to Judge Sue Robinson on developments in
the various cases since the end of September, as text. It's a remarkably casual
effort, as if the attorney was distracted with another case of greater
importance or ran out of time or figures it's just make-work anyhow.
<

Yep, a suitcase for the Christmas vacation. </cynic>


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There has to be a rabbit down this rabbit hole somewhere!
Now I want its hide.

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Why Bother ? -- Red Hat's Quarterly Letter to the Judge... zzzzzzzzz
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 01:24 PM EST
By the time Redhat gets it's crack, there will be nothing left with which it can
be "made whole". That is there will be nothing with which to
re-imburse Redhat for it's losses due to SCO's machinations. Further, Redhat's
stock is up, and it's making money. SCO's machinations have been demonstrated
to be baseless FUD, and people are pressing ahead with Linux as a result. The
fact there is a trial going on, doesn't seem to really impact the intelligent
public at all.

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If the end of discovery means IBM can resubmit their PSJs ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 03:56 PM EST
... then I suspect that everyone involved in the other cases figured that
preparing for and enjoying the holiday season was a way more productive use of
their time.

Probably including the various Judges.

Once the PSJs and counter-claims hit SCO ... there's no more SCO.

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