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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 01:32 PM EDT

The headline on the RealNetworks-Microsoft joint press release says it all: "Microsoft and RealNetworks Resolve Antitrust Case and Announce Digital Music and Games Partnership." Obviously, this deal impacts the EU antitrust case, not that RealNetworks cares, I gather, if FOSS stands alone. According to Bloomberg's account, while the deal silences RealNetworks, an EU spokesperson says it will not deter them from continuing:
The agreement silences one of the most vocal critics of Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft. RealNetworks, which claimed Microsoft used its dominance in Windows to try to quash its RealPlayer product, sued in the U.S. and testified in a case brought by the European Union. Microsoft has agreed to pay more than $4 billion to settled cases brought by U.S. states, International Business Machines Corp., Sun Microsystems Inc. and Novell Inc." . . .

Jonathan Todd, a commission spokesman, said the settlement won't have any impact on the regulator's case.

``The commission will remain determined to ensure full compliance with the March 2004 decision,'' Todd said in a telephone interview. ``The commission is obliged under treaty rules to ensure the proper application of the competition law to the benefit of consumers and companies, and not to the benefit of any individual company.''

Every time a company settles before a court can render a final judgment, Microsoft walks away happy. Some of you blame regulators when you see its monopoly abuses unchecked. Look a bit deeper, please, at how their game is being played. This is why Microsoft is so flustered and bewildered by Linux and FOSS. There is no way to buy a deal with the FOSS community. And thanks to the GPL, there is no way to lock it up, either. What's left? Exile.

Here is the section on the part of the deal involving the antitrust cases from the RealNetworks-Microsoft press release:

Antitrust Settlement

Today’s agreement includes a global settlement of all antitrust disputes, including the lawsuit brought by Real against Microsoft nearly two years ago in the United States and Real’s participation in the proceedings initiated by the European Union and Korea. The agreement includes a variety of assurances regarding the design of the Windows operating system, including Windows Media Player, and access for Real to a broad range of Windows platform technologies. Among other things, Microsoft will provide Real expanded access and long-term licenses to a wide range of Windows Media and security technologies, that will enable Real to build services and software that enhance consumer’s experience with Real’s products and services and take advantage of innovations in Windows Vista. Under the agreement:

- Microsoft and Real will work together to enhance the functionality and performance of Real’s software products and services on the Windows operating system.

- Over time, Microsoft will develop and document additional Windows media interfaces that will enable Real to build richer, secure media experiences that take advantage of a broader set of media functionalities throughout Windows.

- Microsoft will enhance consumers’ ability to access Real’s software products in simple and straightforward ways, enabling consumers easily to choose their preferred settings for playing media files and managing other media experiences.

- Microsoft will design Windows Vista so that if a user seeks to play a Real media file that has no playback software on the PC, Windows will redirect the user who consents to a web page that enables the user to download the Real software needed to play the Real media file.

- Microsoft and Real will work together to enhance interoperability between Microsoft’s Windows Media and Real’s Helix Digital Rights Management systems. Microsoft will also enable Real to facilitate the playback of content on non-Windows portable devices and personal computers using Windows Media DRM.

- Microsoft has provided Real contractual assurances ensuring Real broad access to the PC OEM distribution channel.

"This agreement ensures that Microsoft can innovate and that other media players can compete in a broad marketplace," said Brad Smith, senior vice president and general counsel at Microsoft. "We’ve resolved our disagreements from the past and put in place a foundation for collaboration in the future."

Other media players can compete as long as they are not FOSS media players. What does Real care about that? They have $761 million and access to "important Windows Media technologies that will enhance Real's media software solutions". As for the rest of us, and the principle of the thing, Real is saying, "I've got mine."

Is there some rule that if you partner with Microsoft, you have to talk like them? Here's a RealNetworks VP gushing:

"Today’s agreement is a significant achievement for our companies. In one stroke, we have fully resolved our outstanding antitrust claims and forged an alliance with a strong partner to deliver innovations in great new music and games to our customers," said Bob Kimball, senior vice president and general counsel at RealNetworks.

Right. Innovations. Microsoft's middle name. Microsoft's strategy seems obvious to me, and I hope it is to the EU Commission, if I'm right. They'd rather no court ever again finds them guilty of antitrust violations, and if that costs them billions, so be it. That's my opinion of their strategy. Unfortunately for them, their number one competition is now GNU/Linux, and that presents a problem for Microsoft. There is no palm to cross with silver in the FOSS community.

Here's the complete press release.

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Microsoft and RealNetworks Resolve Antitrust Case and Announce Digital Music and Games Partnership

New partnership brings Rhapsody® subscription service and RealNetworks’ games to millions of Microsoft’s MSN users

SEATTLE, WA — October 11, 2005 — Microsoft (Nasdaq "MSFT") and RealNetworks, Inc. (Nasdaq "RNWK") today announced three agreements valued at $761 million to RealNetworks to settle their antitrust case and create a new partnership to innovate and promote consumer choices in digital music and games.

The three agreements include an agreement to resolve all the companies’ antitrust disputes worldwide; an agreement for a wide-ranging digital music collaboration between the parties, including promotional and marketing support of Real’s leading digital music subscription service, Rhapsody®, on MSN properties; and an agreement to offer RealNetworks’ digital games through MSN Games and Xbox Live Arcade for Xbox 360.

Under the music and games agreements, Microsoft is scheduled to pay Real $301 million in cash and provide services over 18 months in support of Real’s product development, distribution, and promotional activities. Microsoft will earn credits at predetermined market rates to be applied to the $301 million for subscribers delivered to Real through MSN. Additionally, Real will take steps to support MSN Search, and Real and Microsoft will jointly promote use of Windows Media technologies with Rhapsody to Go.

The antitrust and technology assurance agreement resolves all antitrust disputes worldwide, based on a $460 million up-front cash payment to resolve all damages claims and a series of technology licenses and commitments under which Real will obtain long-term access to important Windows Media technologies that will enhance Real’s media software solutions.

"Today we’re closing one chapter and opening a new one in our relationship with Microsoft," said Rob Glaser, Founder and CEO of RealNetworks. "The legal chapter is being closed with an appropriate and fair outcome that sets the stage for a very productive and collaborative relationship between our companies. By integrating Real’s premier music and games services into Microsoft’s very popular MSN service, we will reach more consumers today and deliver even better products and services tomorrow."

"This agreement will provide MSN’s millions of customers with easier access to subscription services for the music and games they love," said Bill Gates, Microsoft’s chairman and chief software architect. "Digital music is one of the fastest growing segments of the online entertainment industry, and by promoting Rhapsody’s subscription music services from within MSN, we will provide a better experience for our users."

Music and Games Partnerships

Working together, Microsoft and Real will bring exciting new music experiences to consumers by featuring Rhapsody from within the MSN homepage, MSN Music, MSN Search, and MSN Messenger. The music collaboration agreement includes the following elements:

- MSN Messenger users will be able to share and play music while chatting, from the library of over 1 million songs in Rhapsody, in a convenient and legal way;

- MSN Search will use Rhapsody’s critically acclaimed music editorial catalogue to help users find the music they love and to discover new artists;

- The two companies will jointly develop and implement a search integration plan which will enable Real’s customers to easily use MSN Search within RealPlayer;

- MSN Search will feature Rhapsody links to music in music related search results;

- The agreement enables Real to purchase advertising on MSN Search and on the MSN Network to promote Rhapsody;

- Both companies will promote the use of Windows Media portable devices for use with Rhapsody to Go.

Additionally, Microsoft and Real will collaborate in the casual games arena. Casual games has become a rapidly growing segment in digital entertainment and includes such games as the very popular Bejeweled® and SuperCollapse® as well as old favorites like Scrabble® and Solitaire. In this new games partnership, Real, a leading developer of casual games, will create a new subscription service to be offered on MSN Games and Real will also develop a series of new casual games for Xbox Live Arcade for Xbox 360.

Antitrust Settlement

Today’s agreement includes a global settlement of all antitrust disputes, including the lawsuit brought by Real against Microsoft nearly two years ago in the United States and Real’s participation in the proceedings initiated by the European Union and Korea. The agreement includes a variety of assurances regarding the design of the Windows operating system, including Windows Media Player, and access for Real to a broad range of Windows platform technologies. Among other things, Microsoft will provide Real expanded access and long-term licenses to a wide range of Windows Media and security technologies, that will enable Real to build services and software that enhance consumer’s experience with Real’s products and services and take advantage of innovations in Windows Vista. Under the agreement:

- Microsoft and Real will work together to enhance the functionality and performance of Real’s software products and services on the Windows operating system.

- Over time, Microsoft will develop and document additional Windows media interfaces that will enable Real to build richer, secure media experiences that take advantage of a broader set of media functionalities throughout Windows.

- Microsoft will enhance consumers’ ability to access Real’s software products in simple and straightforward ways, enabling consumers easily to choose their preferred settings for playing media files and managing other media experiences.

- Microsoft will design Windows Vista so that if a user seeks to play a Real media file that has no playback software on the PC, Windows will redirect the user who consents to a web page that enables the user to download the Real software needed to play the Real media file.

- Microsoft and Real will work together to enhance interoperability between Microsoft’s Windows Media and Real’s Helix Digital Rights Management systems. Microsoft will also enable Real to facilitate the playback of content on non-Windows portable devices and personal computers using Windows Media DRM.

- Microsoft has provided Real contractual assurances ensuring Real broad access to the PC OEM distribution channel.

"This agreement ensures that Microsoft can innovate and that other media players can compete in a broad marketplace," said Brad Smith, senior vice president and general counsel at Microsoft. "We’ve resolved our disagreements from the past and put in place a foundation for collaboration in the future."

"Today’s agreement is a significant achievement for our companies. In one stroke, we have fully resolved our outstanding antitrust claims and forged an alliance with a strong partner to deliver innovations in great new music and games to our customers," said Bob Kimball, senior vice president and general counsel at RealNetworks.


  


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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Authored by: Nick_UK on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:01 PM EDT
Who actually uses RealNetworks? Ever since I installed
the 'free' Realplayer once on Win98 and the machine got
installed 'too' with truck loads of advertising crap I
have never, ever gone near it again.

Anybody confess to use it?

Nick

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Corrections here.
Authored by: waltish on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:04 PM EDT
If needed.

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" You can fool some of the people all of the Time
And all of the people some of the time
But you cant fool All of the people All of the Time."

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OTs go here
Authored by: dfarning on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:05 PM EDT
Is groklaw getting slashdotted? It has been really slow all morning.

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There is no palm to cross with silver in the FOSS community.
Authored by: dyfet on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:19 PM EDT
Just the sweaty palms of politicians remain. Expect laws to be offered that make FOSS in some way or at least for some markets "illegal". The broadcast flag is a perfect example of this kind of legal potential. And expect patents to be used next.

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - Comment from Europe
Authored by: Chris Lingard on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:27 PM EDT

Here is the report from the BBC

The comment from EU spokesman Jonathan Todd:

Back in March 2004, the EU fined Microsoft $597m for anti-competition practices.

It also ordered the computer giant to share its computer codes with rivals and offer stripped down versions of its Windows software.

Microsoft is continuing to appeal certain aspects of the EU's finding, and EU spokesman Jonathan Todd said on Tuesday that the computer firm's agreement with RealNetworks would have no affect on the ongoing legal case.

"We will continue to ensure full and complete compliance with the March 2004 decision," he said.

Let us hope that the Commission insist on the release of the protocols, otherwise there will be no future competition.

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UUUUGGGHHH. I had to post this IE!!!
Authored by: Mecha on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:34 PM EDT
Enought of that now, I really don't see much of an advantage for Microsoft in
this deal.

* They get to partner with Rhapsody (an iTunes competitor), however this is more
visibility for RealNetworks.
* They get the anti-trust lawsuits dropped, however the EU is still going to
prosecute.
* They got another company on board with their DRM scheme. (this may be the
only real benefit for them - more support)

RealNetworks appears to have gotten the better end of the deal.

* They get access beyone the PC realm by being allowed into XBox.
* They get access to utilize Windows Vista's features (that go beyond
RealNetworks Helix DRM).
* They get access to many of Microsoft's MSN features.
* They get more than a boatload in cash.
* They get more visibility for thier Rhaposidy service.

I am sure there must be something more. Possibly RealNetworks will have to quit
supporting the Open Source Helix Player and their linux RealPlayer.

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I am not clever enough to write a good signature. So this will have to do.

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One thing Real gets out of this deal...
Authored by: Jude on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:47 PM EDT
Under Vista, Microsoft will be able to guarantee that RealPlayer can always
"call home", despite user attempts to prevent it.

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  • Ugh - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:31 PM EDT
Let 'em go ahead...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:52 PM EDT
they deserve each other.

And it looks like part of the deal involves sublicensing the rights to the word
"innovation" in all its forms.

Though I think, PJ, that there's no mystery in their common speech patterns,
since Real was just a prodigal child of Microsoft, now reconciled; touching,
innit?

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Embrace, extend and what was it again?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:57 PM EDT
Very curious how long Real sur5s.

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Real is MS in different skirt
Authored by: DWitt_nyc on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 02:59 PM EDT
It's no suprise, given that their founder, Rob Glaser, left MS to found Real, taking what he learned about software lock-in with him...

Who uses Real? Basically, only those who are tricked or forced into it--I found RealPlayer on my wife's computer and deleted it...only to find that she had reinstalled it the next day. When I asked why, she said that the video content on one of her favorite websites only came in Real format. So, in essence, this is their business model: locking content providers into their format.

Anybody with any tech sense knows that the Real format is crap, not to mention riddled with ads and spyware, and that Real is fighting for relevancy in today's market--so, this announcement, means in effect, Real gets to keep their head above water longer, and that consumers have to deal with two inferior DRM-ed video formats for that much longer. bah.

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:15 PM EDT
RealNetworks and Microsoft 'working together'? Just makes a bigger monopoly
doesn't it?

Who cares about media players? Just give us open standards, there will be no
shortage of players to choose from then.

Different players for different formats - who ever asked for that?

CDs have been an enormous success because there was ONE, OPEN, standard.

Cassette tapes were an enormous success because there was ONE, OPEN, standard
(Grundig/BASF non-standard excepted).

Those of us who are old enough will remember the problems that incompatible VCRs
caused and the problems of two different speeds and two different hole sizes on
vinyl records.

In Europe, having got rid of incompatible TV line standards, we deliberately
made the other TV parameters incompatible for nationalistic and commercial
reasons to stop sets being sold across national boundaries.

I just see the multi-media business being carved up by the big boys for their
own benefit.

Alan(UK)

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RealNetworks Signs Suicide Pact
Authored by: kawabago on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:16 PM EDT
That's how it should read. Microsoft will now go about killing RealNetwords
just like every other company that has ever formed an agreement with Microsoft.



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TTFN

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Full details of settlements/agreements should be made public.
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:19 PM EDT
It is quite likely that the settlement includes anti-trust
violating clauses that seek to prevent Realnetworks
supporting Open Source operating systems like Linux. The
agreement may also damage the customer's interest by
including anti-trust violating clauses depriving the
customer of choice or forcing the customer to pay more.
How is the customer or the Open Source community to know
of this if these damages if this market fixing takes place
in secret behind closed doors, and subject only to the
secret scrutiny of a few bureaucrats not subject to
public scrutiny chosen by Microsoft? There is no reason to
believe that an expert, official, or even a judge can't be
corrupted when faced with the kind of money Microsoft can
put on the table. The only thing that keeps people honest
is public scrutiny.

The best and simplest remedy to prevent Microsoft's
anti-trust crime from being repeated, as they seem to be,
is for Microsoft to be required to make public all
settlement terms in full, and to be required to make it's
charges and licensing terms to all OEMs and special
customers that receive discounts public. It is only by
doing this that I can be sure I am not paying more for
Microsoft products in order to subsidise Microsoft's price
fixing anti-trust crimes aimed at putting competing
vendors out of business. How is an OEM to know if it is
being cheated if it doesn't know how much other OEMs are
being charged? Microsoft has been allowed to by the
authorities to get away with and continue these sorts of
criminal activities long enough. It is high time public
scrutiny was mandated, or at least this information
should be made available to any interested party (anyone
who buys a Microsoft product or anyone with licensing
agreements with Microsoft).

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OEM Channel?
Authored by: cmc on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:20 PM EDT
"- Microsoft has provided Real contractual assurances ensuring Real broad
access to the PC OEM distribution channel."

I don't know how to parse that statement. It could mean two different things.

First, it could mean that Microsoft agreed to stop the practice of telling OEM
partners that they can not touch anyone else's product (isn't that illegal
anyway?).

But the second thing it could mean is that Microsoft will force OEM partners to
install and support Real products as part of a Windows installation (as part of
the OEM System Builder license).

The first meaning would be good (for Real, at least). The second meaning would
be great for Real, but bad for everyone else (especially the OEM partners). At
least that's my opinion.

As a humorous aside, a third option is that they accidentally capitalized the
Rs. They could simply mean that Microsoft has provided real contractual
assurances (as opposed to false assurances), which ensure Microsoft real broad
access to the PC OEM distribution channel.

cmc

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:30 PM EDT
Looks like Real just got EEE'd.
I didn't think that RealPlayer wasn't a bad product under
Linux.

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:49 PM EDT
I don't see why this deal would affect the EU Commission's actions at all.
Isn't the purpose of the commission to prevent future infractions and not just
punish past violations?

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:57 PM EDT
Some press releases should be bordered in black.

-Wang-Lo.

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 03:57 PM EDT
The standard Microsoft strategy of "Embrace and Extend" is now being
applied to litigation in which they are on the defensive.

If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em. (or otherwise enter a mutual licensing agreement
whereby you can make yourself look like a good citizen).

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal - RealNetworks Drops EU & Korean Antitrust Claims
Authored by: lunarship on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 04:04 PM EDT
Doesn't it make you feel that a red-eyed hellhound is standing behind your
freshly opened skull, slavering jaws rictus in a leering grin, urinating
directly onto your cerebral cortex when you read of deals like this that
"enhance interoperability" and ensure "innovation" and
"competition"?

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On the one hand this makes perfect sense ...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 04:08 PM EDT

... commercial and every other which way.

On the other, it's depressing in a way that others will certainly articulate
better than I could.

There's very much a VHS v Betamax situation around now (and of course, just as
the media streaming formats are getting consolidated, they have to start on the
next-gen DVD formats. Just to keep life complicated!!!).

I'm a film nut and love watching clips and previews. This means I have to have
Media Player, Real Player and Quicktime Player (or at least their codecs!!),
plus DIVX, installed to watch everything I want to watch.

Though the player I actually use is VLC Player from VideoLan - an open source,
cross platform, way better option. If you don't mind (or indeed revel in) the
absence of all the frippery and adware added to the mainstream players.

In other words, what we're talking about is not the players; it's the propriety
codecs (encoding) of the media files - along with all that yummy included DRM.

*** So ... want to watch M$ reps go white as a sheet, want to watch Steve
Ballmer go through an entire office of chairs in one day?

Persuade Massachusetts that they must mandate that all future media files stored
by the Commonwealth must be encoded using an Open format codec - the sound/video
equivalent of OpenDoc.

Go on, lobby them ... I guarantee it'll be unmissible entertainment, even if
they just announce they're considering it!

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RealNetworks and Microsoft Do a Deal: to slow MPEG-4 H.264 adoption
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 04:23 PM EDT
Microsoft knows that its Windows Media 9 / VC-1 codec won't win against MPEG-4
Part 10 AVC/H.264: the broadcast industry has made its choice and although
next-gen DVDs are a toss-up - both codecs are referenced in both HD-DVD and
Blu-Ray - set-top boxes will much likelier integrate H.264 rather than MS VC-1.
In a context where Apple's QuickTime 7 and VLC both offer H.264 for both Mac and
PC, Real 10 is an also-ran - so it's in both Microsoft's and Real's interest to
fight MPEG-4 Part 10 AVC/H.264.

On the streaming and content creation side, Real will have great difficulty
competing with VLC, Darwin Streaming Server, ffmpeg, transcode, x.264, etc.
Partnering with Microsoft to insure new-PC presence may just be an effective
tactic to stay alive...

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We switched to Real Alternative because we could never get it to work with ISA Server
Authored by: TAZ6416 on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 04:42 PM EDT
When we did our big migration to XP a few years ago (stop booing at the back ;) ) we decided not to install RealPlayer as it was so buggy and full of spyware on the default XP build

As time went on some users needed it to watch BBC News, so we installed RealPlayer for them, and it never worked, we use ISA as a firewall (stop booing at the back.. again ;) ) so as the annoying office OSS geek I suggested they used Real Alternative instead.. and it worked first time.

Excuse me while I fetch my tin-foil hat, but do you think that it was a coincidence RealPlayer didn't work with Microsoft's ISA?

Jonathan

Oscar The Grouch Does America

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Definition of a Monopolist
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 05:40 PM EDT
Definition of a Monopolist-A company unwilling to pay your company money to drop
their antitrust suit.

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This is a reason I like Groklaw..
Authored by: RPN on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 06:19 PM EDT
I keep learning and not just about SCO's madcap antics.

Just got rid of RealPlayer I put on for BBC content because now I know
RealAlternative exists. Installed on XP with Firefox, simplicity itself, BBC
video and audio played straight off.

Thanks, I've never liked RealPlayer much even when it worked without messing up
my Windows installation, and now I know there is a lean, mean alternative.

Richard

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"Oh, That Was Just A Fling, She Meant Nothing To Me."
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 06:38 PM EDT
Hey, everybody!

I am SO glad that I stopped using Real Networks a long time ago.

In those days of Win98, when I discovered the msconfig command to keep unneeded
programs from running in the background at startup, RealPlayer made it onto my
fecal roster.

My beef was simple: I didn't want anything running in the background. If I
wanted a program running, I would start it myself. But all I had to do was open
a RM file, and it would automatically set my config files to run it in the
background, and the computer was just barely keeping up as it was. Since then,
I have never used Real for anything. I even have it on my Linux box but it's
never been run.

It's a safe bet that the FOSS community will never welcome Real back into the
fold now. As the geniuses in They Might Be Giants sang, "You don't shake
the devil's hand then say you're only kidding."

Dobre utka,
The Blue Sky Ranger

"Yay! My heart fills with hideous despair! Ooo! And behavior controlling
drugs!"
--Fillerbunny

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QuickTime Alternative too...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11 2005 @ 06:42 PM EDT
Sick of QuickTime? Get the Alternative here:

QuickTIme Alternative

RealPlayer Alternative is here: Real Alternative

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Crimes, complaints and policing
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 12 2005 @ 06:52 AM EDT
Police forces all around the world deal with crime in at least two different
ways. If you go into the police station and say "my house has been
robbed" tthat is a complaint and they will (one hopes) act appropriately,
if a policeman is walking down the road and sees someone climbing out of a
broken window at your house carrying a TV set he will act appropriately even if
you don't go to complain. It is important that those who enforce the law are
allowed to decide if they should continue enforcement action even if the
complainant withdraws his complaint or if there is no specific complainant.
Real were one of the people who went to the police to complain that their
windows were broken and their TV was missing, they were very specific and
pointed out that the TV store on the corner and the glazier next door both
belonged to a Mr Mike Rowsoft who owned a large stripey bag labled SWAG.
They have now been given their TV back and Mike has promised to mend their
windows for free. This does not mean the police should stop investigating and
prosecuting as a matter of public policy since most of us think that burglars
shouldn't get off scot-free. I really hate to think of the EU commission as good
guys but they may just be that here.

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The real Goal!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 12 2005 @ 12:24 PM EDT
Welcome to Earth, a Microsoft Subsidiary.

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A contrary opinion
Authored by: Anonymous Coward on Wednesday, October 12 2005 @ 01:46 PM EDT
Why do other companies keep running to governments to cry that MS is beating
them in the market place?
To put it bluntly MS is (well actually was) bringing out a superior product
according to it's customers.
Not matter what the other companies would complain about if the customers really
think that MS brings out better products they will keep buying MS.
The thing is that to keep a monopoly (outside government intervention) you need
to keep your customers happy.
Something MS is not good at. Infact it is the main reason that they lost their
monopoly position.
Yes, MS has lost it's monopoly position. It doesn't show yet, will take years to
get into effect but the OASIS standard (created largely due to MS not listening
to it's customers) will turn them just in one of the companies, albeit a larg
one, supplying Office & OS type software.

And that is because the customers revolted not because of a government declaring
them a monopoly.

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Michael Robertson will be fuming
Authored by: raindog on Saturday, October 15 2005 @ 02:54 PM EDT
This should be an interesting development from Linspire's perspective. Last
year they attempted to license Microsoft's DRM, and Microsoft reportedly told
them that they wouldn't license it for non-Microsoft PC's, only "portable
devices".

Apparently the way to get Microsoft to play ball with you is to sue them for
millions of dollars and not get laughed out of court.

More info: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3080897910.html

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