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Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 04:56 AM EDT
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Hey, look at this. HP's Michael Schulz gave a presentation recently in Johannesburg, and he announced they will ship Ubuntu on notebooks and PCs in Africa. I wish they'd do that here. In the speech, he also talked about HP's internal use of Linux:
HP's Emea open source technologist Michael Schulz . . . said the company today has as many as 15,000 Linux-based devices on its own internal networks and uses free software for many critical roles from its mail system, to DNS servers, and even its LaserJet development laboratories.
Schulz said that HP's entire email infrastructure -- including a webmail client based on Squirrelmail -- is run on Linux and delivers in the region of three terabytes of mail annually.
HP's internal instant messaging services are also run on open source software, using the Jabber platform, said Shulz.
The company's domain name services are also run on Linux using services such as Bind and NTP, said Schulz. The decision to use Linux for these services has paid off, he said, realising savings in the region of around 33%.
33%! That is huge. Anyone who doesn't consider Linux where it can be used, with savings like that possible, just isn't being fiscally responsible. Why does HP use Linux? Schulz says, "It is . . . the best operating system available out there."
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| Authored by: archonix on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 05:24 AM EDT |
How long, one wonders, before Microsoft and their... I won't say lackeys,
becuase that's cruel, but "friends". How long before their
"friends" start complaining about bias?
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| Authored by: capt.Hij on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 05:24 AM EDT |
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| Authored by: capt.Hij on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 05:35 AM EDT |
One thing that was missing was a discussion of gnu/linux on the desktop. The
things that he mentioned were server based issues. The only thing mentioned
about the desktop was selling ubuntu, but it would have been nice to hear him
talk about how HP itself is using gnu/linux on the desktop.
The big issue with workstations and the desktop is hardware support. A hardware
maker like HP could make a huge difference if it were more public about how it
is making drivers available.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 05:47 AM EDT |
HP's entire email infrastructure runs on Linux?
I was under the impression that HP used MS Exchange globally. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: ruskie on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 05:58 AM EDT |
m$ set up the bait for osdl but hp went and bitten it...
They just gave m$ more oportunities to play...
but that's just my opinon...
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| Authored by: Tpenta on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 06:03 AM EDT |
Be careful with facts press releases like this.
HP has a vested interest in promoting the Linux, in that they sell support and
the servers to run it on.
Just the same as Microsoft will make the same claims for running their business
on Windows; Sun on Solaris, ...
You have to remember that a press release is generally made by a marketing
department.
This is not to say that some of these kind of claims are not factual, they
probably are to some extent. Just remember that you are reading something
written by folks paid to do marketing.
Alan.
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| Authored by: Parsi on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 06:41 AM EDT |
I recently received an 8 page colour flyer from HP called "HP and Linux,
September issue". For a moment, I was impressed. But when I looked at it
more closely, it looked as if they didn't know what they were doing.
(1) The flyer lists one notebook computer. The details do not include the
amount of memory provided at the given price. It is shipped with FreeDOS but
you can, it seems, get an Ubuntu CD from your reseller. And install it
yourself.
(2) The flyer lists two low-end business desktops. One has SuSE 9.2 installed,
the other SuSE 9.3
(3) The flyer lists an Intel 64-bit "workstation" but says nothing
about any supplied or installed OS. Instead, it lists some software (Alias
Wavefront, Mathematica, PEM-Crash, Nastran) that the machine
"supports". Does the listed software all come in 64-bit Linux
versions?
(4) Three file servers are listed, each with the option of Red HAT ES 4.0 or
Novell SLES9 -- which seems entirely reasonable.
(5) Four application servers are listed, but in only one case is anything said
about the supplied and supported OS (Red Hat AS 3.0).
(6) All the machines are Intel-based except for a single (non-cheap) Opteron
rack mount. The possibility of cheap 64-bit computing with AMD64s is not on
offer. That's crazy for the Linux market.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 07:31 AM EDT |
"Schulz says, "It is . . . the best operating system available out
there." "
I'm sure that's nice to hear, but it isn't true and it sounds just like
Microsoft talking about Windows.
There is NO best operating system any more than there is a best camera, car,
dog, wine.... well we could go on.
There might be a best X for purpose Y given a budget of $Z and a whole bunch of
other qualifications.
So leave the hype to the marketroids, eh?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 07:49 AM EDT |
What an amazing set of early posts. Every one being critical of HP's press
release.
CrazyEgineer
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 08:10 AM EDT |
Please,
do correct "terrabytes" to "earthbytes" or
"terabytes". You choose!
Thanks[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: rsmith on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 08:51 AM EDT |
The figure of 33% lower costs for Linux is meaningless on its own without more
information.
Such as what it is being compared to. We all assume that it's in comparison to
Windows, but it could also be HP/UX for all we know.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 10:44 AM EDT |
I wonder if Linux has a special advantage in South Africa based on the economic
conditions there. I haven't had any contact with that country for a long time
and the economics will have changed.
At one time, South Africa was a first world country embedded in a third world
country or something like that. Now we must have some kind of blend going on.
Anyway, my guess is that most companies will not use pirated software. They
will either purchase Microsoft or use Linux for free. (This contrasts with some
parts of asia where everyone runs pirated software) I'm also assuming that the
cost of skilled (IT) labour has gone down a lot. To me, a 33% saving makes
complete sense.
Contrast SA with the conditions in the USA. It seems to make more sense in the
US to employ a semi-trained moron to go around re-booting or re-installing
Windows because the cost of hiring actual skilled IT professionals is so high.
The cost of the licenses almost doesn't enter into the equation.
Of course, IANASA (I am not a South African) and am curious to know what someone
from there would say.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 10:51 AM EDT |
It is terabyte not terrabyte.
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| Authored by: artp on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 10:54 AM EDT |
,, finally!
Too many astroturfers out today.
Get 'em while they're still hot.
Anr erors belong i the body of the message, not in the Title.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, September 10 2005 @ 11:04 AM EDT |
I thought this site focused on finding the facts and presenting them in an
unbiased way? This article is marketing hype and only hype. Where is the meat
to substantiate the 33% claim? Why would anyone care what a company with such a
poor record of performance in the marketplace thinks about software? HP's
strengths have always been in hardware, not software. If they wind up building
MACs for Apple next year does anyone doubt that OSx will be the best OS they've
ever seen? Focus on what you know PJ, not what you wish.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 11 2005 @ 06:05 AM EDT |
Sounds about right if he's talking about SA. IT skills are cheaper there, and
hardware and software more expensive.
When I was employed as a lead developer of 15 years' experience my annual salary
package was worth about 40000 US dollars per year. By contract, hardware and
commercial software currently appear to be about 50% more expensive than in the
U.S.
So there is a lot more stuff getting done in-house, and this means that the
skills of IT staff continue to develop. We try to get the most life possible
from old hardware and software.
The flip side of this is that piracy of commercial software is rife - in one
company I worked for the whole team was using a single licensed copy of our
development tools.
It's nice to see that HP is going for Ubuntu is SA, because the guy behind
Ubuntu is SA's greatest IT success story - Mark Shuttleworth.
MH (Ek is 'n ware Suid-Afrikaner)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 12 2005 @ 09:31 AM EDT |
HP -
Please, Please, Please start shipping it in the U.S. I would buy one right
away. I use Ubuntu as my desktop and I happen to be in the market for a laptop
and if you offer Ubuntu on it I would buy one up in a New York minute.
Please, Pretty Please with sugar on it - ship it in the US.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 12 2005 @ 04:54 PM EDT |
I can't imagine what Y2K issues HP had with Lotus Notes unless they were
woefully behind on upgrading.
As I recall, Notes was Y2K compliant beginning with Release 4.50 which shipped
in 1996.
All we did was was due diligence testing and let the calendar turn over.
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