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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Monday, March 21 2005 @ 08:05 PM EST

Here is the Noorda family's statement concerning the death of Val Kreidel:

The Noorda family sadly confirms the passing of Val Kreidel, their daughter and sibling. They request that their privacy and the privacy of the Kreidel family in their time of grief be respected. In lieu of flowers, donations in memory of Val Kreidel may be made to the Kidney Dialysis or Kidney Transplant/Renal Center of St. Joseph Hospital, 1100 West Stewart Drive, Orange, California, 92868.

I know you all join me when I express my deepest and most sincere sympathy to this family.

There will be an autopsy report in about one or two weeks, for those who wish to follow up. In the meantime, there is only a preliminary cause of death. I will now honor the family's request for privacy.


  


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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: bstadil on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 09:05 PM EST
The Noorda's are just a awfull as the rest of SCO gang. They just had the sense
to see the writing on the wall and trying to save their bacon.
No sympathy from here

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Mercy, or Justice?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 09:29 PM EST
Who, among us, is perfect? Who is without sin, without fault, without error?

Who, among us, knew clearly beforehand all the consequences of his actions, and
took the path of least damage to all? I was a trial lawyer for fifteen years.
I know I shall have to spend a great deal of time in purgatory for some of the
things I have done.

It has never been, and shall never be, that those among us without sin should
judge the rest. We all err. We all sin. We all engage in evil.

The question is not whether, but how much.

The Noorda's apparently had at least some family cohesion, and probably had a
great deal of it.

Whether or not they have contributed to our problems, a loss of a beloved
daughter, sister, and wife, is a bereavement. From now on, the rest of the
family will go forward with a hole in their lives that Val once filled. For
them, the world is a colder, darker, lonelier place.

If there is an Almighty, then when we are judged for our actions here, for what
shall we plead? Mercy, or Justice? I expect most to beg for Mercy.

There is enough on my soul that I need not add this straw. Lord knows, with my
personality, there will be much weightier accountings added before I am
through.

We, as people, can separate our humanity from our goals and actions. Death is
not a good solution to most of our problems, nor is insensitivity to the pain of
others an effective answer.

Our conflict can wait until another day.

Please join with those of us who send our prayers and sympathies to the Noorda
family.

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: Tufty on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 09:36 PM EST
My condolences to the family at this difficult time.

Tufty


---
There has to be a rabbit down this rabbit hole somewhere!

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Sad to say...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 09:42 PM EST
Maureen O'Gara and "Linux Business Week" are not showing the same
restraint.

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Our condolences
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 09:55 PM EST
Please know that our thoughts and prayers are with the families

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 09:55 PM EST
Even the death of a bitter enemy would be reason for grief.
We will all be gone one day, leaving both friends and enemies. We will never
know how our own lives will be lessened by this passing, only that they will, in
some way.
I hope your own enemies show more grace on the day of your own passing. Every
one of us changes the world through our acts and deeds; I hope mine is on the
balance of good in the measure of the world.

BTW: I do not like the stock scam company; but I will hold my head higher than
some of my fellows.

To the Noorda's: I appologize for the many actions and words of the few, in the
name of the many.

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Are further comments necessary?
Authored by: Nivuahc on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 10:53 PM EST
Is it possible to close the comments on this article completely and not give those wishing to badger this family during their loss a platform to do so?

I see no good that can come from this

---
My Doctor says I have A.D.D... He just doesn't understand. It's not like... Hey! Look at that chicken!

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: The Mad Hatter r on Monday, March 21 2005 @ 11:49 PM EST


Well said PJ.

My thoughts are with the Noorda's, and the Kreidal's.



---
Wayne

telnet hatter.twgs.org

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: belzecue on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 02:02 AM EST
"Noorda Family Issues Statement"

"Noorda Family Issues A Statement"

I hate being picky about these things (especially where the topic is a sensitive
one), but I strive for clarity in writing.

The first headline is ambiguous: is it a statement about "Noorda family
issues" (as I parsed it first time around) or a statement issued by the
Noorda family (as intended)? The revised wording removes all doubt.

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PJ and Groklaw showing respect... NOT
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 03:43 AM EST
You are simply disgusting.
The same people who were chasing the family before to be(come) good Linux
citizens by taking SCO to war.
Proud of your achievement and now showing respect.
Shame on you all.
HYPOCRITES.

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"LinuxBusinessWeek"
Authored by: ak on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 03:54 AM EST
"LinuxBusinessWeek" has removed all comments to the texts about this
death. The Feedback-function has been disabled for these texts.

Neither the tasteless texts written by a member of the Yarro/McBride-gang who
shares personal responsibility for the death nor the commercial advertisements
have been removed.

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OT HERE -- a refuge from the deluge
Authored by: belzecue on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 05:16 AM EST
PJ's interview by Tom's Hardware:

http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050322_043001.html

"You have to admit, numbers like that are intimidating. At least they are
to me. I'm shy by nature, and it makes me nervous when I realize how many people
are reading Groklaw. I met an executive at LinuxWorld who told me that he knows
people on Capitol Hill are reading Groklaw. Some of his employees, he told me,
have their phones set up to notify them every time there is a new article. I
told him he was making me hyperventilate..."

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: rm6990 on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 07:21 AM EST
This is to the person who has been trolling the comment board on this story
constantly and is from me. Note that me means me, not the Groklaw community
(some people can't tell the difference).

I would also like to express my condolences for the Noorda family.

I was just wondering, do you realize how sick it is to jump on the death of
someone else and use that death to further ones goals? You obviously care zilch
for Val, considering you have not expressed your condolences once in anyone of
your useless comments. You are obviously using her death to somehow discredit
Groklaw.

I would love to see you begging St. Peter for forgiveness on your judgement day
as he turns you away to the firey pits of hell. Because that is exactly what you
deserve. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself.

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Bob Mims re: Kriedal suicide
Authored by: fudisbad on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 07:22 AM EST
Click here.
Suicides have ended up becoming the tragic bookends for the bitter struggle to control Utah's Canopy Group.

The Orange County, Calif., Coroner's Office and Huntington Beach Police Department confirmed Monday that Val Noorda Kreidel, daughter of technology entrepreneur and Canopy founder Ray Noorda, died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.

If I recall correctly, didn't Bob Penrose die in exactly the same manner?

---
See my bio for copyright details re: this post.
Darl McBride, file your 10-K and your 10-Q!

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: cdru on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 07:56 AM EST
Sympathies aside, what does this statement have to do with anything? Isn't this
GrokLaw, not GrokObit? Before today, I had never even heard of her.

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: blacklight on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 09:48 AM EST
Whatever business we have with SCOG's top management, we have with SCOG's top
management. From what little I know of the Noorda family, I have found no reason
to dislike any of their members. Let's be gracious and generous to the Noorda
family in their time of grief, and respect it.

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Sociopathic Trolling.....or is it astroturfing???
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 09:55 AM EST
I don't know who this troll is; the sentiments being expressed are pathetic at
best, actively evil at worst.

But this is Groklaw where the idea is to look past the FUD..that whole
"grok" thing, yanno?

Our troll

1) Is outraged we would express sympathy for the Noorda's and Val
Noorda-Kreidel

2) Seems to feel that Ms Kreidel should be blamed as much as Yarro for the
entire SCO debacle

3) Accuses us of hypocrisy

(The troll may have said more, but that's all I could stomach.)

It's possible what we have here is troll so malignant as to have actually
managed to skipped past "annoying;" sailed through
"offensive" without a backward glance and ended up firmly in
"hateful if not evil" territory. That's one sick little puppy if he's
getting off on that kind of attention -- sick, but not sociopathic.

But what if it's not a troll? What it if it's someone who actually feels that
way - amoral, conscienceless, without scruple -- sociopathic?

I bring this up because, well, if you don't mind my slipping on a Tin Foil Hat
for a second, a lot of what has transpired in this whole SCOfiasco has seemed
almost sociopathic. The money angle never seemed to make much sense, and any
chance of that is gone. FUD-by-proxy for Microsoft is intriguing, but that game
is up, too. At this point, any - any! - rational party in SCO's shoes would be
trying to settle on almost any terms, however humiliating; two-thirds of the way
down the pit is better than rock-bottom.

Canopy didn't try to force a settlement, they dumped the stock on Yarro in an
attempt to insulate themselves from the future liability when IBM presses its
counterclaims. Yarro is now completely exposed; when IBM pierces the corporate
veil, they will land on Ralph and his personal assets.

And yet SCO - now essentially controlled by Yarro - persists - irrationally,
amorrally, without conscience or scruple - sociopathic?

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evil begets evil.
Authored by: jig on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 09:55 AM EST
if i was going to lay the blame for these two deaths at anyones feet, even if
they ARE both suicides, how could it be at anyones other than at Yarrow's?

at the very least, these are collateral damage from his past acts at canopy.

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Good Manners
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 10:04 AM EST
Good manners suggest that if you have nothing nice to say don't say it at all.

While under these circumstances silence in respect for those who go before us is
wise. An added benefit is that it does not tempt the gods. Be careful.

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A Regretful Suggestion:
Authored by: muswell100 on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 10:32 AM EST
I'm sorry to see how this particular posting has so lowered the tone at Groklaw
by virtue of some of the truly unsavoury and appalling replies it's had. Sadly,
I would strongly suggest, Pamela, that you reconsider before putting such a
posting as this on Groklaw again. It may have had some minor bearing on the
SCO/Patent issues, but not enough to allow this otherwise excellent site to be
dragged through the mire like this. I make it a point to follow the news on
Groklaw several times a day, and was very sorry to see it's high standards
brought so low by a pathetic - but vocal - minority.

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Condolences to the Noorda Family
Authored by: resst on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 11:32 AM EST
This is an appropriate time for all of us in the Groklaw community to,
regardless of point of view, excercise tact and civility in offering our
condolences to the surviving Noora family. May we too reflect upon the value of
life and love at a time like this.


resst

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My condolences
Authored by: dwheeler on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 12:22 PM EST
My condolences to the Noorda family. I wish them God's comfort in their time of grief.

Most of the actions that appear increasingly likely to be theft, libel/slander, and betrayal (the foulest sin according to Dante) seem to be done by people like Yarrow and McBride, not the Noordas. But even if the Noordas have done wrong, sympathy is very much warranted. Indeed, hopefully for everyone involved, this reminder that we're all mortal will make them more aware of what's REALLY important. Money's great, sure. But money is NOT the most important thing, and it's tragic when anyone believes otherwise.

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There are some sick postings here today, I hope that PJ deletes the lot!
Authored by: tiger99 on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 01:10 PM EST
I don't think that a tragic death is an excuse for some of the opinions we are seeing aired here today. I feel sad for the family, for a start.

We should await the postmortem before jumping to conclusions. Yes, there have been two apparent suicides so far, that is not unusual when corrupt business deals are involved, and the stress affects someone, usually not one of the major guilty parties. Nor are murders dressed up to look like suicide all that uncommon, especially where large amounts of money are at stake. But either way, the whole matter will hopefully be investigated fully, hopefully helping to ensure that no-one in this position is driven to take their own life in the future.

But none of these matters give the slightest excuse for the hatred and villification of the family that some of the previous posters, mainly anonymous, seem to be enjoying. There is a highly improper shifting of blame from those we know at SCO and Canopy, and for that matter Microsoft, who have behaved badly, to those who have suffered a tragic loss. Even if one of the major culprits like Darl had committed suicide (very unlikely, IMHO), it would not be an excuse for sick gloating and revelling in the waste of a life.

I want SCO to be dealt with by the courts, and people who have deliberately broken the law to go to prison for a long time, but that is entirely separate from what we should be doing today, that is leaving the Noorda family in peace. Don't punish the victims of other people's bad behaviour by needlessly adding to their grief.

PJ has quite properly and as tastefully as possible announced this tragedy, so how about us all conveying our condolences to the family and leaving it at that? And if PJ deletes all of today's postings, I for one will not complain.

If people want to behave like heartless morons, they should go to some other blog, or better still, keep their opinions to themselves.

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  • Well put. - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 02:12 PM EST
    • Well put. - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 23 2005 @ 03:44 PM EST
If you're thinking about it...
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 01:36 PM EST
Suicides sometimes come in bunches. I think the reason is because, when someone hears about a suicide, if they were somewhat inclined that direction anyway, they start hearing a lot about this other person, and their attention sort of fastens onto the idea, and eventually they kill themselves too.

If you are reading this, and are in this position, please don't do it. Get help instead. Really. I don't care what your position is, I don't care if you just came here to troll PJ and say nasty things, I don't care if you're Darl McBride or Ralph Yarro or Maureen O'Gara, please don't kill yourself. Get help.

See, it's really easy to get help. If you are seriously suicidal, just go to any emergency room. Tell them that you're thinking of killing yourself. They will get you help. (I had to do this with a friend of mine - take him down to the ER to keep him from killing himself that night. One of the best things I ever did.)

MSS

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 04:57 PM EST
Thank you for the confirmation PJ, this has concerned me since the the first
rumours circulated.

My condolences to her family.

Also sincere personal regrets.

I know nothing of Val Kreidel beyond what I have seen on Groklaw. From that
coverage, she came across as supporting her parents in a long and wracking
battle to claw control of the Canopy group back from an obnoxious corporate
bandit.

Nothing I have seen indicates that the any of the Noorda's
were significant contributors to the attack on Linux, least of all Val Kreidal,
who seems only to have become involved in matters at all in the last nine
months, and then only to rescue the remains of Canopy from from Yarrow's
clutches.

From the details that emerged from the legal battles around Canopy, I am firmly
convinced that the Noordas are at least as much victims in this matter as are
IBM and Red Hat.

I commend her courage in taking up the bat on her parents behalf, and sincerely
regret her loss.

Harry

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Why is this story here?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 05:27 PM EST
This really shows great insensitivity and poor taste I'm afraid, and the
comments on it just make it worse. There is no reason why this story
should ever appear in this forum.

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: ghost on Tuesday, March 22 2005 @ 06:17 PM EST
Thank you for this, PJ.

It is one thing what a person may or may not have done in their professional
life, and another thing when such sad things as this happens.

One must keep these things apart, and be able to set aside differencies, even if
otherwise worst enemies, and allow to feel with the family and persons behind
the scene in times like this.


My condoleances to the Noorda's, and the Kreidal's.

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Noorda Family Issues Statement
Authored by: regrok on Wednesday, March 23 2005 @ 10:56 AM EST
PJ, thank you for the notice. It is important to remember the human factor in all this.

Thank you for the manner that you take with all the news that you post. You show passion and dedication for providing accurate news and perspective and still retain the grace and humanity that journalism today sadly lacks.

I find it a sad statement that your clarity of conscience shown in reporting your news and comments while retaining your humanity could be perceived as hipocracy. I would hope that the majority of your readers are deep enough to understand this.

Please continue to keep up your excellent work and example.

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