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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 01:44 PM EST

Well, that headline is hardly news. We've seen this inability to comprehend Free and Open Source in the mainstream media from the beginning of the SCO saga. Today's exhibit of that inability is quite funny though, an article in TechWorld, by John Ribeiro, IDG News Service and Kieren McCarthy of TechWorld, who usually does a good job. In it, they try to make fun of the Apache Foundation and just end up making themselves looked foolish. Biased too. Here is the headline:

Apache chokes on open-source philosophy
Preparing to hire full-time, paid staff. The start of a very slippery slope.

Naturally, my heart about stopped. I'm thinking, Oh no! have the heroes of the Sender ID fracas gone bad? Then I read the article. Apache is growing so fast, they need to hire some administrative staff and maybe some legal help.

From that, the two journalists cook up a silly stew from those two ingredients that goes like this:

"The ASF currently runs on a volunteer model, and any change to this strict philosophy will raise eyebrows right across the IT industry. . . .

"Incredibly, its very success may see it go down the line of the traditional software business. With Apache a leading light of the open-source approach - its Web server boasts equal billing with commercial rivals in the market - such a move would create big waves. . . .

"Paying for legal counsel is another possibility. . . .The SCO Group's legal claims against Linux made the open source community realize that it needs to be more specific about contributions' origins and getting contributor agreements and honest and clear when putting the copyright statement on the code. So lawyers, full-time admin staff, paid executives and properly drawn-up contributor contracts. My, my, my, how times do change."

Alert the media. There are people writing Open Source software who are -- gasp! -- getting paid.

There is no "strict philosophy" in Open Source that a project must be all volunteers. Where do they get that? Even Linus gets paid now to write the kernel. And did they never notice that Red Hat has both administrators, legal staff and even paid programmers? So does Novell.

This is sufficiently silly, I have to stop and ask myself, why would two otherwise sensible people write something like this? (Or, maybe one sensible person wrote a version of this article that got changed and jazzed up by the second author or a later editor?) Whoever is responsible, it shows a desire for Open Source to fail, for the model to be proven faulty. Over and over, I see this same pattern, that if you don't like something or someone, your normal logical reasoning abilities walk the plank and drown in waves of prejudice.

UPDATE:

If you read the story as originally written by John Ribeiro, it is now clear he isn't responsible for this silly headline and the twist someone later put on his article. The Penguin Marches On

Meanwhile, Linux is booming. It's so, so good, nobody cares what Microsoft says, what SCO says, what the mainstream media says, what analysts say. Linux is just a Gotta Have It thing. In an article entitled, "Linux leads global OS revenue and unit growth -- Penguin goes from strength to strength" vnunet's Robert Jacques reports that Linux is showing remarkable growth, according to a recent research report by Gartner, who used to say silly things about Linux, too, but then woke up and smelled the coffee:

"Linux continues to be the global growth leader among operating systems in both revenue and units, according to the latest market research from Gartner.

"The analyst group noted that Linux grew its global revenue 55.7 per cent from last year, and increased units by 45.2 per cent. . . .

"'The server market is still being primarily driven by the x86 segment,' said Mike McLaughlin, principal analyst for Gartner. 'This, along with the acceptance of Linux in additional application areas in the enterprise space, will continue to drive demand.'"

"The analyst firm found that IBM held its lead based on server revenue, as its market share remained at one third in the third quarter of 2004."

55.7% is a lot. Here's another article on the stunning growth of Open Source and GNU/Linux, from CFO IT:

"And Linux itself, still the linchpin of this movement, continues to carve an ever-widening space in Corporate America, to the point where Dan Kusnetzky, vice president, system software, at research firm IDC, acknowledges, 'We published a projection in 1997 that Linux would show up as a mainstream [operating system] choice in all vertical markets around the world by the end of 2005. Our projection may have been too pessimistic. Seven years later, it's happened.' . . .

"According to figures compiled by IDC, 3.4 million Linux client operating systems were shipped in 2002, and that number is forecast to grow to more than 10 million by 2007. Gartner says shipments of Linux-based servers increased about 61.6 percent in the second quarter of this year compared with the same period last year. Those figures don't include the substantial volume of free downloads that often give Linux its initial presence in corporate environments. . . .

"'We evaluated Linux in 1999 and didn't feel it was ready for prime time,' says Mike Jones, senior vice president and CIO at retailer Circuit City Stores in Richmond, Virginia. 'It has come a long way since then, and our confidence has increased.' So much so, in fact, that Circuit City has launched a project to roll out Linux-based point-of-sale systems from IBM at its 600 nationwide retail outlets beginning in March. The strategy is part of a 'revitalization effort' that will move its stores from customized, proprietary systems to software based on open standards, says Jones."

Meanwhile, Gartner reports, Unix is in a slow decline.

My, my. How times have changed.

Of course, it's scenarios like this that lead to sore losers filing empty lawsuits over their IP being "infringed." CIO reports that a recent ruling, in the case of Knorr-Bremse Systeme vs. Dana Corp. and Haldex Brake Products, will make it harder to make claims of patent infringement, because the decision held that a defendant is no longer to be presumed guilty unless it files a letter certifying its innocence. Those letters cost around $80,000, so sometimes companies would settle just because they couldn't afford to fight. A fight is now $80,000 cheaper:

"Now, however, the burden of proof has shifted to the accuser, which won't be able to win in court unless it can prove its charges -- for instance, by providing a defendant's e-mails, acknowledging that the system is a knockoff. That means CIOs whose shops write custom software won't be forced to settle frivolous infringement claims and won't lose their shirts before they even get to court."

There is a discernible shift in how the public now views using IP infringement lawsuits as an anticompetitive weapon. Notice this article by Tom Henderson, "Vendors: Stop threatening us." He speaks directly to Microsoft's Steve Ballmer's recent speech to Asia that Linux might have IP issues:

"Apparently, we're supposed to be living in fear.

"What we should fear is possible litigation over unlicensed, patented material that may or may not be in Linux. Each week, we're goaded into purchasing one operating system or another based upon that particular vendor's ability to indemnify us from potential litigation. . . .

"Ptui, I say. If you've got patents, play that card, and play it now. We're sick, mighty sick, of listening to it. Tell us, chapter and verse, what you think is the problem. Do it now. Stop the threats - go in to action. We're the customers, remember? Stop harassing us with vague threats.

"This chest thumping, lawyer-enriching hubris, and cold intimidation is causing this industry to slink around as though we're all guilty of something that we didn't do. If there's a license to pay, then we'll pay it. If you as vendors have manipulated the patent offices into granting a patent for something that you didn't invent, then back off. If you so thoroughly patent your future products so that no one can work with them, then you've lost compatibility, interoperability, and therefore any worth to us.

"Otherwise, we want to see the tort. If you don't send it shortly, we'll all know that your huffing and puffing is truly a breach of ethics. We'll throw your salespeople out the door and not renew licenses that we've already bought from you. You'll not be welcome here, and that's for the next ten years, because we have long memories of companies that tried to manipulate and/or coerce us."

Henderson is not alone in his disgust. Here's a snip from an article by NetworkWorld's Mark Gibbs, also in reaction to Ballmer's speech:

"But what we have here is a bigger issue than Microsoft's spin or the risk of end-user liability from using open source. That issue is the dampening effect that market uncertainty causes and the expensive and ugly legal mess that intellectual property suits cause. The only winners in these cases are lawyers and occasionally one of the flotilla of intellectual property aggregators - the companies that acquire the property to shakedown product manufacturers.

"Two things need to happen. First, we need the laws changed to make software patents less easily abused. Second, we need Microsoft to stop with the incessant spin doctoring. Enough is enough, Steve!

"I believe there is a chance for the first thing to happen. There's a lot of pressure from U.S. developers and from the European Union to create a more rational patent system. As for the second, I hold out very little hope."

Funny how the richest company in the world can't do better PR. Meanwhile, in the Now I've Seen Everything Department, take a look at the patent hustle Chinese counterfeiting companies have come up with:

"Some companies will copy or slightly modify foreign patents and file them under a kind of Chinese protection - a utility or design patent - that is not thoroughly examined under the current Chinese patent system, so they are granted quickly and easily, Xiang said.

"Part of the strategy is to profit by outlasting China's time-consuming legal appeals process when foreign companies accuse them of infringing on their intellectual property. Also, many businesses are using advances in technology in new ways to skirt copyright laws.

The result, studies say, is that counterfeiting and piracy problems in China, affecting both domestic and foreign brands, are worsening."

Folks, it's time to face it. Patent laws need to be changed.


  


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Corrections Here
Authored by: LocoYokel on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 01:47 PM EST
N/T

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OT Here
Authored by: LocoYokel on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 01:49 PM EST
Lets keep it nice please.

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Official SCO comment / position thread
Authored by: LocoYokel on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 01:52 PM EST
Main posts in this thread may only be made by senior managers or attorneys for
"The SCO Group". Main posts must use the name and position of the
poster at "The SCO Group". Main posters must post in their official
capacity at "The SCO Group".

Sub-posts will also be allowed from non-"The SCO Group" employees or
attorneys. Sub-posts from persons not connected with "The SCO Group"
must be very polite, address other posters and the main poster with the
honorific "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Ms.", as
appropriate, use correct surnames, not call names or suggest or imply unethical
or illegal conduct by "The SCO Group" or its employees or attorneys.

This thread requires an extremely high standard of conduct and even slightly
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If you want to comment on this thread, please post under the off-topic thread,
"OT", found above.

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OT stuff here
Authored by: overshoot on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 01:52 PM EST
Please make links clickable.

Thanks in advance.

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Nobody understands the GPL
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 02:13 PM EST
Remember when the fight between a MOG and PJ started?
The Redhead published a letter from Daniel Wallace:

"Why is the Free Software Foundation given a pass on
the issue of contract enforcement under state law on
binding legal agreements like the GPL?"

From yesterday's SCO v. IBM Court filings:

"SCO did not breach the GPL by selling its UNIX
license. The Court is to interpret a copyright license
agreement in accordance with general principles of
contract construction. See Miller v. Glenn Miller
Prods., Ltd., 318 F. Supp 2d 923,934(C.D. Cal 2004).
("Courts apply general principles of contract
interpretation when interpreting the terms of scope of
a licensing agreement"); Mendler v. Winterland Prod.,
Ltd., 207 F.3d. 1119, 1121 (9th Cir. 2000)(applying
such principles in interpretation of copyright
license)."

Isn't it amazing how not only SCO but seemingly all the
Courts can't understand the GPL?

They need only read Groklaw:

"THE GPL IS A LICENSE, NOT A CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHY
THE SKY ISN'T FALLING ... The GPL is unequivocally a
license, and that's the truth.
Sunday, December 14 2003 @ 09:06 PM EST"

GPL DEFENDER

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More royalist than the king,...
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 02:21 PM EST
more catholic than the pope, holier than Thou...
You get the general drift.
Nothing to do about it but laugh at them and tell them to take their longing for
absolutes elsewhere.

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source, and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 02:30 PM EST
Yeah, that headline gave me a mild heartattack.
But when i read on, i understood that they will hire some people without
abandoning open-source. This happened with other big open source companies.
I doubt IBM/Novell or even Zope would choke on open source despite they have
hired staff.
These journalists are rather weird.

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Equal Footing
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 02:31 PM EST
Does Apache really compete on "equal footing" with other web server
providers? Or does it outrun the second-place entrant by over two to one? The
normal description for that condition, seen in journalism, is
"dominant".

I wonder why they were reluctant to describe Apache as dominant. Is it because
Free Software isn't allowed to be really successful and actually supplant the
proprietary stuff?

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Funny, a friend of mine had a summer job writing Apache code a few years ago.
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 02:39 PM EST
From what I remember, it paid remarkably well for a college-student summer job,
too.

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source, and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: NetArch on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 02:44 PM EST
You mean to tell me that MandrakeSoft, SuSE/Novell, Red Hat, IBM, Sun, HP,
Siemens, Ericsson, MITRE, etc. don't pay their engineers and programmers that
write code that is contributed to open source projects? Damn, you mean I haven't
been getting paid the last 4 years? Let me check my bank account - must be
bouncing checks left and right...

Even Caldera, now known as The SCO Group, pays its coders. Well, hopefully some
time after they pay their lawyers.

Now, I know that Apache has adhered to a philosophy up til now that code
submissions would be from volunteer help, and they hope to continue that into
the future. What exactly is it about the media that forces them to see something
that isn't there? Neither the Free Software movement nor Open Source prohibit
paid programmers from contributing to free/open projects. Never did. To my
knowledge, never will.

Oh, I get it. Techworld hasn't had a big blockbuster story of late, except maybe
the ongoing saga of EDS and its foibles in UK government projects. So they need
some eyeballs to convince advertizers to continue purchasing adspace from them.
Let's see, how do we increase readership? I know - let's stoop to the level of
the Star, National Enquirer and just twist the truth until it's barely
recognizable! Let's make up a "Story About Nothing"(TM).*

*In recognition of the concept intellectual property, I attribute the above
quote to Larry David, Jerry Seinfeld, et al, for the sitcom
"Seinfeld". At least I think they probably have a trademark or service
mark on the phrase... Can you copyright a three word phrase? Didn't Trump try
with "You're Fired!"?


---
NetArch - building a better Internet one subnet at a time...

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The Penguin Marches On
Authored by: Nick_UK on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 03:11 PM EST
"Meanwhile, Linux is booming. It's so, so good, nobody
cares what Microsoft says, what SCO says, what the
mainstream media says..."

Reason being is that there are people like us in a
position to sway and influence.

Many Companies have learnt to *listen* to what their IT
staff advise rather than a Company telling their staff
what to do, especially I have noticed in the last 2 years
(apart from UK Government deals with MS and
Dilbert).

The only real thing at work I have to run on Windows now
is Lotus Notes (but that is a WAN legacy anyway, beyond
me, and my Company's control.), the rest is Linux
webservers (Redhat
7.x series) and NAS fileservers. Of course, still
encumbered with MS clients, but that will change as I see
SAP are slowly getting into GNU/Linux.

The IT network world gets pretty small pretty quick when
on the march.

Nick

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Man bites penguin
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 03:28 PM EST
The motivation for a lot of these silly comments seems to me to be more of a
desire to create `news' rather than a specific desire to do the dirty on OSS.
Business as usual, success, and gradual growth just don't make a good story.
Problem, catastrophe, revolution and sudden collapse is the stuff that
journalists really want to write about. If they cannot find this kind of `news'
many are quite willing to create it.

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Paid Open Source Contributors
Authored by: mcleodnine on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 03:29 PM EST
I ran across an intersting article in the print edition of LinuxJournal, November Issue ("LJ Index - November 2004", p. 24) For those not familiar with it - it's a single-column factoid of intersting stats, published every month. To quote:
2) Approximate Number of developers who contribute changes to Linux on a regular basis: 1,000
3) Percentage of the above who are paid to work on Linux by their employers: 10
4) Percentage of the latest 38,000 changes to Linux that were made by those paid to work on Linux: 97.4
...
10) Position of Apache in Netcraft Web Server Survey: 1
11) Apache share percentage in latest survey (August 2004) 67.37

Let's also not forget that the Apache Project's httpd server runs on more than just Linux.

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Two Journalists Don't Understand non-profit organizations
Authored by: raynfala on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 03:45 PM EST
The article about Apache is just about the most pointless article I've read in a
while. What is the big deal here? A non-profit organization has to HIRE
people? Oh my goodness, it's the end of the Republic! Convert everything you
own to food and gold, and head for the hills, quick!

What is so foreign about the concept of a non-profit group actually paying wages
to a core administrative staff? And why is that a slippery slope? What, is
growth a slippery slope? Heaven forbid they should end up in the same boat as,
say, the American Red Cross!

Did I miss something here? Sure sounds like the authors did.

--Raynfala

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 03:52 PM EST
The original article by John Ribeiro puts a different spin
on it.

http://www.thestandard.com/internetnews/000682.php

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: kberrien on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 04:47 PM EST
why would two otherwise sensible people write something like this? .... Whoever is responsible, it shows a desire for Open Source to fail, for the model to be proven faulty. - PJ

Could it be that THEY themselves are being outclassed, replaced by open source. Open source journalism and activism here on Groklaw. The BSD settlement scoop is one of many in a long line of their journalistic failures. They don't even attend the court hearings, much less double check PR spin.

Groklaw for some time has been making the news, or getting the first scoop. They just follow along, likely grumbling "who do those techno hippies think they are...".

Someone needs to tell them, the blog is replacing the news paper, the magazine, the online "news" service. Their future shock is here regardless if they like it or not.

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SCOX Share Price
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 04:52 PM EST
Can anyone shed light on SCOX's recent share price increase?

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: cybervegan on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 05:21 PM EST
"... My, my, my, how times do change." ( John Ribeiro, IDG News
Service and Kieren McCarthy of Techweb)

...

"My, my. How times have changed." (PJ)

Gotta love that WSOH. :-D

-cybervegan

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Software source code is a bit like underwear - you only want to show it off in
public if it's clean and tidy. Refusal could be due to embarrassment or shame...

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: Groklaw Lurker on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 05:25 PM EST
"...Folks, it's time to face it. Patent laws need to be changed..."

Agreed, and software idea patents need to be explicitly abolished. They do not
serve to promote the progress of science and the useful arts as is required in
Article I, Section 8, clause 8 of the United States Constitution.

---
(GL) Groklaw Lurker
End the tyranny, abolish software patents.

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: robert_mcmillan on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 05:32 PM EST
To be fair to John Ribeiro, whom I work with, the story he actually filed can be found here: http://www.thestandard .com/internetnews/000682.php His original headline: "Apache may hire full-time, paid staff"

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Need to hire administrators
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 05:36 PM EST
There is a need at ASP to hire people to do work that needs done. Fund
raising is like pulling teeth, and paperwork is time consuming. Work is also
cummulative, you can put it off, but it still needs done.

Willie

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Apache not even first
Authored by: Uraeus on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 05:51 PM EST
The saddest part about the story is that its not even news that a project like
Apache hire people, other projects like GNU and GNOME have had paid employees
for a long time already (not including people working fulltime on projects under
these projects umbrella on behalf of companies). And of course if you include
the projects that was not started as volunteer projects such as Mozilla and
OpenOffice then the list grows very long.

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 06:22 PM EST
Henderson: "Ptui, I say. If you've got patents, play that card, and play it
now. We're sick, mighty sick, of listening to it. Tell us, chapter and verse,
what you think is the problem. Do it now. Stop the threats - go in to action.
We're the customers, remember? Stop harassing us with vague threats."

That is exactly the point. Microsoft can look through the Linux code and see if
there is any infringing material in it. It should do so, and if it finds any,
tell the developers so they can remove it. If it doesn't find any, then announce
it publically.

Microsoft is trying to pull the same scam as SCO: scare people into buying
licenses, based on phoney IP claims. What a con.

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: chris_bloke on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 07:35 PM EST
Obviously they've not heard of MySQL..

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BULLDOZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 08:19 PM EST
Running my tracks OVER the philosophy and beliefs of SCO and Microsoft and
others who willfully treat the computer markets like a whorehouse.

YOUR TIME IS COMING TO AN END!!!!

MAKE WAY FOR LINUX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep rollin, rollin, rollin, rollin

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Most journalists DO Understand - some pretend not to
Authored by: RedBarchetta on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 08:55 PM EST
PJ wrote:
There is no "strict philosophy" in Open Source that a project must be all volunteers. Where do they get that? Even Linus gets paid now to write the kernel. And did they never notice that Red Hat has both administrators, legal staff and even paid programmers? So does Novell.
SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, and I'm sure various other distro companies also have tech support, accountants, secretaries, and even janitors.

That's right, they are just like most businesses. They thrive by selling a product. Services mostly, in these cases. And they use that revenue to pay the bills, like most businesses. This is only a surprise to very few. I would even doubt it's a surprise to most "journalists" who write these kind of "backroom deal" articles.

But hey, they have to pay their janitors too, right? I mean, that's how a capitalist society runs, right? At least according to The Darl. Without money transacting hands, our whole notion of a free society just might be undermined! Gadzooks, someone call John Ashcroft!

This is where selling your opinion comes in. Write what they want to hear, and they will come to your doorstep with frankincense , gold and murr. Billy G. Warbucks has known how to manipulate the media ever since I became familiar with "Abort, Retry, Ignore?"

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The Penguin Marches On
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 09:06 PM EST
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the freeing of the code,
it is stamping out the errors where the buffers overflowed,
it is teaching younger programmers what older ones have knowed,
The penguin marches on.

(chorus)
Glory Glory Hellelujah,
Glory Glory Hellelujah,
Glory Glory Hellelujah,
The penguin marches on.

I have seen him on the logos of a hundred software sites
They have builded him a mailing list where Linus Torvalds writes
I can read his righteous source code as the GPL invites
his code is marching on.

I have read a fiery algorithm writ in C++
It is copyrighted but it can be used by all of us
By the general public license it is held in public trust
GNUs license marches on.

He hath sounded forth a MIDI player and an office suite
He is sifting out the applications that our needs will meet
Oh be swift you nerds to answer him, be jubilant the 1337
Our penguin marches on.

In the beauteous code of Linus he was born across the sea
With the help of many others he's now used by you and me
He is TUX the linux penguin and he strives to make us free
the penguin marches on.

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Penguin Marches On?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 10:27 PM EST
"Penguin marches on" just doesn't do it for me - too rigid and militaristic. Tux marching would likely be more of a waddle anyhow since penguins are only graceful underwater.

How about prances, ambles, sashays, or even struts?

;)>

Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions." - Terry Pratchett, in The Truth

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DUH!!!
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 10:49 PM EST
Why is it so hard for people to understand that the GPL is a license and not a
contract??? It is named the General Public LICENSE after all.

Why is the IT industry full of so many stupid people? It baffles me.

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  • DUH!!! - Authored by: webster on Thursday, December 02 2004 @ 11:05 PM EST
  • DUH!!! - Authored by: oldgreybeard on Saturday, December 04 2004 @ 06:34 PM EST
    • DUH!!! - Authored by: tbogart on Wednesday, December 08 2004 @ 11:55 PM EST
Put up or Shut up!
Authored by: jacks4u on Friday, December 03 2004 @ 12:59 AM EST
lol! I wonder if it would be advantageous to pre-empt a possible pattent attack,
by fileing for a declaration of non-infringement, thus:

Comes now (insert favorite open source organization) who aledges that (insert
favorite pattent agregator) is hurting their business by claiming that there
will be future law suits relating to pattent infringement. We (favorite open
source organization) seek relief from these harrassing press releases and
allegations. We, (favorite open source organization) pray the court for a
declaration of non-infringement of (favorite pattent agregator)'s intellectual
property.

Perhaps 'Put up or shut up' would be better than 'Oh my! look what they said
now!!'

IANAL. If you want legal advice, get it from a qualified professional. I express
my opinion only.

Jacks4u

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Equal Billing?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 03 2004 @ 12:59 AM EST

These two guys lost me when they spouted that rubbish about Apache looking for equal billing in the web server market. Geez, Apache owns the web server market. With nearly 70% of web sites running Apache it's going to be some rather largish corporations that are going to be squawking about equal billing. IIRC, Apache had IIS beat by a roughly 2.5:1 to 3:1 ratio with a handful of other commercial web servers splitting up the last few percent.

These guys are just dumb and dumberer.

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55.7% is NOT a lot
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, December 03 2004 @ 03:18 AM EST
55.7% is a lot.

No, it's a percentage. Whether or not it's a lot depends on the answer to the question "55.7% of what?

Linux has a high percentage growth rate because its share of the overall server market is still tiny.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Linux would have a much higher share if companies made rational decisions. And I both hope and expect to see its share grow. But let's not kid ourselves, OK? Linux has a tiny share of the market right now, and when you see headlines like "Linux market share grows by 55%, Microsoft's market share slips 1%", that still means that Microsoft got more new server business than Linux.

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$80,000 Letter
Authored by: Ckwop on Sunday, December 05 2004 @ 12:23 PM EST
How does a single letter cost $80,000? I'm just interested to know how people
accept being held to ransom like that.

Simon

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Two Journalists Don't Understand Open Source and the Penguin Marches On
Authored by: IDGNews on Monday, December 06 2004 @ 10:15 AM EST
This unfairly targets John Ribeiro, Bangalore correspondent for IDG News
Service. Your quarrel is with one journalist, not two. Ribeiro's original story
was adapted by McCarthy of Techworld who changed the headline and added the
material that took the article into the territory objected to by Groklaw. The
author of the piece does note that, "maybe one sensible person wrote a
version of this article that got changed and jazzed up by the second author or a
later editor?" which is indeed the case here. IDG News Service provides a
news feed to IDG publications such as Techworld and we don't control what they
do with our material once they take it. If you want to see what Ribeiro wrote,
here is his article in its original form, as it appeared on Infoworld:
http://itproductguidebeta.infoworld.com/article/04/12/01/HNapachehire_1.html .

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