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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as text
Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 06:24 PM EST

Here is SCO's Response to IBM's Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File a Response to SCO's Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery and to Continue Hearing [PDF]. Our thanks to Henrik Grouleff, once again, for transcribing it for us.

This is to catch us up on our text versions. This was filed back in September, a day after IBM filed on September 8 their request to answer [PDF] SCO's Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery and SCO's Memorandum in Reply to IBM's Opposition to SCO's Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File a Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery. As you will recall, SCO had found ways to take multiple bites of the apple, and here they speak with outrage that IBM had asked to answer, despite IBM pointing out that in their filings SCO had raised new issues and new arguments IBM never had a chance to respond to.

SCO desperately wanted the September 14 hearing on their discovery matters to happen prior to the scheduled September 15 hearing on IBM's motion for partial summary judgment on its 10th counterclaim. The hearing also was to hear arguments on SCO's motion to dismiss or stay IBM's 10th Counterclaim and its Rule 56(f) motion, as well as IBM's motion to strike material submitted by SCO in opposition to IBM's cross-motion for partial summary judgment. They no doubt saw a tactical advantage to having the 14th hearing on discovery go first. However, they don't argue that point that way of course, because the judge doesn't care about that. Instead they must reach into the air to try to find plausible IBM "sins" that would make them unworthy of having their motion granted.

I must say it feels comical to read this document now, knowing that the court didn't accept SCO's strident and indignant allegations against IBM. Judge Wells granted IBM's motion (which sent SCO howling to Judge Kimball) and let it reply to SCO's extra bites, despite SCO's exaggerated verbiage about how evil IBM was. We can't read what IBM filed, because it's sealed, due to some material being privileged.

Evidently, the court noted that SCO had made its bed by filing so many motions, including filing an ex parte motion for leave to file a supplemental memorandum at the last minute, and they'd have to lie in it. The hearing was postponed, and was held on October 19, and the matters were taken under advisement, so as I read through this document to proof it, I found it hilariously funny. Evidently the court didn't share SCO's low "opinion" of IBM.

And we now know as well that Boies Schiller and SCO were in negotiations regarding a new agreement regarding legal fees, so with hindsight, I'm thinking possibly all the SCO creativity had a double purpose, and now that the legal fees are capped, I'm thinking we may never again see a SCO performance like we witnessed here, alas. So we'll just have to savor this last bit of a remarkable one.

************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
Mark F. James (5295)
Mark R. Clements (7172)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
[address, phone, fax]

Robert Silver (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER
[address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)
BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for The SCO Group, Inc.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH


THE SCO GROUP
Plaintiff/Counterclaim-Defendant

v.


INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant/Counterclaim-Plaintiff
SCO'S RESPONSE TO IBM'S EX
PARTE MOTION FOR LEAVE TO
FILE A RESPONSE TO SCO'S
SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM
REGARDING DISCOVERY AND TO
CONTINUE HEARING DATE


Case No. 2:03CV0294DAK

Honorable Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells



Plaintiff The SCO Group Inc. ("SCO") respectfully submits this memorandum in opposition to IBM's Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File a Response to SCO's Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery and to Continue Hearing Date dated September 8, 2004 (the "Motion" or "IBM's Motion").

Claiming that it needs to address purported new issues and arguments in SCO's Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery and Memorandum in Reply to IBM's Opposition to SCO's Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File a Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery, IBM seeks to postpone the hearing on SCO's pending discovery motion scheduled before this Court on September 14, 2004. The Court should deny IBM's Motion.

First, IBM's Motion is inexcusably belated. SCO filed and served by hand-delivery its Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File a Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery and its Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery on August 19, 2004. If IBM believed that SCO's memorandum raised any new issues requiring any affidavits that could not be completed in time, IBM could have said so in a timely manner. It did not. Instead, IBM timely filed and served a substantive brief in response, in its Opposition to SCO's Ex Parte Motion for Leave to File a Supplemental Memorandum Regarding Discovery on August 25, 2004.

Second, consistent with the goals that IBM has made paramount, its instant Motion lacks any basis and serves merely to attempt to delay the resolution of SCO's pending discovery motion. IBM filed a substantive response to SCO's Supplemental Memorandum, and, contrary to IBM's claim, SCO's reply raised no new issues or facts.

In its opposition brief, IBM argued that SCO's Supplemental Memorandum discusses two documents that IBM now claims are privileged. IBM argued that SCO's supplemental arguments therefore could not properly form the basis for SCO's motion. IBM simply disregarded the other documents SCO addressed in its Supplemental Memorandum. Even as to the allegedly privileged documents, moreover, IBM filed no declarations (which IBM now asserts it needs to do) and failed to provide in any form even the most basic information that would be required on a privilege log to support its claim that the two allegedly privileged documents were privileged -- and (again) made those omissions without even contending that it needed any time to obtain affidavits to support its completely unsupported claim of privilege. 1

SCO filed its reply to IBM's opposition on September 3, 2004. The reply raises no new issues of facts but instead simply reaffirms the arguments contained in SCO's Supplemental Memorandum and responds to the substantive arguments in IBM's opposition.

Third, IBM's Motion threatens to impose significant cost on SCO. Based on the absence of any opposition from IBM on the grounds of any alleged need for additional time, SCO and its counsel have already gone to great out-of-pocket expense and devoted substantial resources to relocate personnel (and documents and hardware) to Utah for purposes of SCO's pending discovery motion.2 Those costs and burdens must far exceed those that IBM had expended when it successfully argued to this Court, in early June, that the deposition of a third-party witness should not be postponed because of those incurred expenses. SCO shows below, moreover, that IBM brings the instant motion without any basis for its delay in doing so.

Fourth, IBM's Motion also threatens to impose significant and improper long-term cost on SCO, and thereby seriously interfere with the management of this case. SCO has repeatedly explained to IBM, this Court and the District Court -- as recently as yesterday, in a memorandum filed with the District Court -- that the discovery SCO seeks, which is to be addressed during the hearing IBM now seeks to postpone, is critical predicate discovery necessary to permit SCO to proceed with depositions. Even on the current schedule, with the discovery hearing on September 14th, SCO would not receive the requested discovery until the fall, and therefore could not begin to take depositions until a reasonable time thereafter. Even the current timing thus threatens to prejudice SCO's ability to complete discovery on schedule. The delay that IBM now seeks in the discovery hearing would thus seriously compromise SCO's ability to oppose IBM's summary judgment motions at this time (if the District Court deems that to be necessary), or to complete fact discovery before the deadline in early February 2005.

To compound those problems, IBM has sought to take advantage of its failure to produce such discovery by filing three successive, and fact-intensive, summary judgment motions regarding factual issues directly related to the discovery SCO seeks. IBM has now even taken the position that in order to have IBM consent to what IBM itself calls a "reasonable" extension of time, SCO must waive its right to argue under Fed. R. Civ. P. 56(f) that SCO needs additional discovery to oppose IBM's motions.

Fifth, the context of IBM's delayed production of discovery is thus obviously an important backdrop to IBM's instant Motion. IBM vehemently opposed (unsuccessfully) the scheduling of a hearing on SCO's discovery motion before the District Court conducted oral argument on the first of several summary judgment motions IBM has filed. Those motions and IBM's instant Motion reflect IBM's strategy to date -- namely, to stonewall in discovery (feigning compliance and arguing irrelevance and undue burden) while simultaneously seeking early disposition of several potentially dispositive, yet highly fact-intensive, motions.

SCO respectfully submits, for all of the reasons set forth above, that IBM is not entitled to the additional time or briefing that it seeks. The Court should deny IBM's motion.

DATED this 9th day of September, 2004.

_____[signature]_____
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James
Mark R. Clements

BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Robert Silver, Esq. (admitted pro hac vice)
Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)

Attorneys for The SCO Group, Inc.


1 SCO recently again requested the information necessary to support IBM's alleged claim of privilege, but SCO has not received a response.

2 A portion of those resources also relate to the scheduled hearing on the first of IBM's summary judgment motions, but of course all of the resources are sunk costs.


CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

Plaintiff, The SCO Group Inc., hereby certifies that a true and correct copy of the foregoing SCO'S RESPONSE TO IBM'S EX PARTE MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE A RESPONSE TO SCO'S SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM REGARDING DISCOVERY AND TO CONTINUE HEARING DATE was served on Defendant International Business Machines Corporation on this 9th day of September, 2004, by hand-delivery to:

Alan L. Sullivan, Esq.
Todd M. Shaughnessy, Esq.
Snell & Wilmer L.L.P.
[address]

and mailed by U.S. mail, postage prepaid, addressed to:

Evan R. Chesler, Esq.
Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

Donald J. Rosenberg, Esq.
[address]

Attorneys for Defendant/Counterclaim Plaintiff IBM Corp.
___[signature]____




  


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Corrections here....
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 06:29 PM EST
N/T

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OT here:
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 06:45 PM EST
Have some fun!

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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as te
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 07:20 PM EST
We all know they have no real case, unless FUD is accepted
as evidense in the USA these days.

I keep getting the feeling they are trying to setup the court case so they are
in a position to be able to appeal any negative rulings against them, thus
continuing the FUD for their M$ overlords.

PS::I'am not a lawyer just a tired farmer who thinks "dogs that bite"
should be put down.

Gunilla Blue

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I've lost track!
Authored by: kberrien on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 07:45 PM EST
I've lost track, definately in the IBM case. What are we waiting for, whats
scheduled?

We're waiting on the 10th CC ruling, the request for more discovery by SCO of
IBM. Novell/SCO are at play over dismissal, RH is held until the judge catches
on, and DC limited discovery is over by now? There have to be some hearing
scheduled too?

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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as te
Authored by: tredman on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 07:59 PM EST
This whole thing reminds me a quick exchange from the movie "National
Security" (I'm paraphrasing a bit here from memory, but it should be
close):

Hank: Do you actually believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth?

Earl: I'm not really sure, until I'm finished talking...

Tim

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With apologies to Julius J. Epstein, Philip Epstein, and Howard Koch
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 08:05 PM EST
With the coming of the lawsuits, many eyes in imprisoned closer source turned
hopefully - or desperately - toward the freedom of the open source. Utah became
the great embarkation point, but not everybody could get to Utah directly. And
so a tortuous roundabout refugee trail sprang up. Paris to Marseilles. Across
the Mediterranean to Oran. Then by train or auto or foot across the rim of
Africa to Groklaw in, uh, I dunno. French Morocco maybe? Here the fortunate
ones, through money or influence or luck, might obtain licenses and scurry to
Linux, and from Linux to the New World Order. But the others wait in Yahoo! ...
and wait ... and wait ... and wait ...

Yes, so I had a drink or two. So what!

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Isn't this getting old?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 09:12 PM EST
Join the battle for the first OT thread instead. ;-)

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I'm Shocked, Shocked I Say.
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 12:08 AM EST
I utterly shocked and dumbfounded at the suggestion that a prominent law firm
would file motions, undertake to draw out proceeding or attempt to mislead a
court of law for the mere purpose of assisting in their fee negotiations with a
client, especially one as deserving as the SCO Group.

---
Rsteinmetz

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."

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Official "The SCO Group" Positions - Twenty-nine days without a post
Authored by: AllParadox on Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 01:03 AM EST
Main posts in this thread may only be made by senior managers or attorneys for
"The SCO Group". Main posts must use the name and position of the
poster at "The SCO Group". Main posters must post in their official
capacity at "The SCO Group".

Sub-posts will also be allowed from non-"The SCO Group" employees or
attorneys. Sub-posts from persons not connected with "The SCO Group"
must be very polite, address other posters and the main poster with the
honorific "Mr." or "Mrs." or "Ms.", as
appropriate, use correct surnames, not call names or suggest or imply unethical
or illegal conduct by "The SCO Group" or its employees or attorneys.
This thread requires an extremely high standard of conduct and even slightly
marginal posts will be deleted.

P.J. says you must be on your very best behavior.

If you want to comment on this thread, please post under "O/T"


---
All is paradox: I no longer practice law, so this is just another layman's
opinion. For a Real Legal Opinion, buy one from a licensed Attorney

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Ok guys, does it really ever take this long...
Authored by: John M. Horn on Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 03:24 AM EST
Honestly, does it ever really take this long to render decisions in other cases?
I'm referring to IBM's PSJ motion that Judge Kimball took under advisement some
weeks ago.

AllParadox or rsteinmetz70112 (whom I've always suspected may also be, or have
been, an attorney), how much time might pass without a decision before you would
begin to consider it a bit unusual? Or is it perhaps not unusual to have no
ruling for months or even longer in some cases?

It's just so hard to wait... It seems to be moving..., what would be a good word
here..., ah yes.

It seems to be moving with glacial slowness.

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Why SCO wants to amend rather than file new cases
Authored by: Walter Dnes on Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 07:46 AM EST
PJ says...
> And we now know as well that Boies Schiller and SCO were in negotiations
> regarding a new agreement regarding legal fees, so with hindsight,
> I'm thinking possibly all the SCO creativity had a double purpose, and
> now that the legal fees are capped, I'm thinking we may never again
> see a SCO performance like we witnessed here, alas. So we'll just have
> to savor this last bit of a remarkable one.

Speaking of the legal-fees-capping agreement, if I understand it properly...

- if SCO gets to make its 3rd amended complaint, it'll be treated as part of
the current litigation, and covered under the current quarterly fee

- if the plea-to-amend is rejected by the court, and SCO has to file a new
case, that new case would not be covered by the quarterly fee. SCO would have
to pay extra to litigate the new claim, and run out of cash that much sooner.

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OT - Circumventing Anti-Trust
Authored by: jim Reiter on Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 09:52 AM EST
It is obvious that M$ucks is setting up to use Patents and
Copyrights to reinforce its Monoply position.

But, has anyone looked into this to challenging particular
Patents and Copyrights on the bases that their chief
purpose is to restrict competition.

If M$ucks develops a "new" file structure for Longhorn
which reinforces M$ucks' monoply position, by controlling
access by other vendors, isn't this a use of a copyright
to prevent competition. And isn't this the government
using its powers to create a monoply for M$ucks.

Suppose the M$ucks' licenses precludes the GPL?

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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as te
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 14 2004 @ 12:48 PM EST
when SCO is seriously weak, I would suspect M$ will buy them, even if only to
get what SCO own, licence wise. I can't imagine them giving Mcbride a job.

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OK... I'm sorry, I don't get it
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, November 15 2004 @ 12:03 AM EST
What exactly does this document do?

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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as te
Authored by: blacklight on Monday, November 15 2004 @ 11:44 AM EST
This SCOG pleading was dead and gone the minute judge Kimball refused to buy
SCOG's claim that SCOG was not introducing new elements in its previous
pleading. The lesson I am getting from judge Kimball's court is that a false
premise can kill a pleading, so let's check for the false premises in SCOG's
argumentation and identify them as such.

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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as te
Authored by: blacklight on Monday, November 15 2004 @ 04:01 PM EST
This pleading is an example of how to do less with more.

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SCO's Response to IBM Request to File Supplemental Memo Re Discovery & Continue Hearing - as te
Authored by: Superbiskit on Monday, November 15 2004 @ 09:05 PM EST
Has anyone, perhaps the Guiness folk, noted the world-record for Longest Title On A Legal Pleading? If not, this one probably deserves to be nominated.

I'm reminded of a very old comedy routine involving two persons in a dark room challenging each other with "Who dat?" .. "Who dat say 'Who dat'?" ... "Who dat say . . . ."

These people (Boise, Shiller, & co) just have no sense of the absurd!

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Jury Trial?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, November 16 2004 @ 07:10 AM EST
This recent C|Net article is the first mention I've seen that SCO is hoping for a jury trial. The quote below from Darl McBride seems to indicate that they realize their case is going poorly with Judge Kimball at the helm but if they can get a jury in that's completely ignorant of the case history, they'll have a better chance of turning it in to some David vs. Goliath sympathy tale: "You have a big company beating up on a little company. You put that up in front of 12 people in Salt Lake City a year from now, and we like the outcome of that."

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