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Red Hat has hired a new lawyer, Michael Cunningham, specifically to handle the obvious attacks being launched against it. He will also be reviewing legal protections for Red Hat customers, such as indemnification. He was at IBM and here is how he talks: "'Red Hat will deal with those who seek to slow the momentum of open source,' Cunningham said. 'With a disruptive and transformative way of collaborating like open source, it seems pretty clear that the entrenched interests challenged by it will almost assuredly try to cast aspersions on it and inject fear and uncertainty into the minds of those who embrace it.'" Sounds like Red Hat has figured out the Sun-Microsoft detente has a goal. I am very glad if they have more firepower, because it seems like every time Sun's Jonathan Schwartz opens his mouth these days, he says something against Red Hat, so the plan was not hard to spot, particularly because he never mentioned SuSE or Mandrake or any of the others. Red Hat is out front, so "those who seek to slow the momentum of open source" have decided to attack it.
I suggest those forces might like to take a look at SCO's current stock price.
This stock, which the amusing Brian Skiba targeted at $45, started at a closing price of $2.21 on March 6, 2003, the day SCO sued IBM, and that price was up from the day before. It kept going up, up, up for months, with the Yahoo board full of "To the Moon" pronouncements. Recently, it began a descent, and yesterday it closed at $4.81, the lowest figure since May 16, 2003, a year ago, as you can see for yourself by looking at all the pages listed. Meanwhile, yesterday Red Hat closed at $24.96. And the other SCO legal victims? How are they doing? Well, they are all doing better than SCO. IBM closed at $85.53. Novell closed at $10.18, DaimlerChrysler at $41.95, and AutoZone at $83.06. There is a moral to the story, and it is the opposite of what BayStar advises, namely offer people something they want to buy and provide good services. Then you will make steady money. Something else happened yesterday. SCO put out a press release informing the world that it was named to the SD Times 100. The headline said, "SD Times 100 Recognizes Leaders and Influencers of the Software Development Industry," and this sentence in the first paragraph told us what they said the award was for: "SCO was recognized for its influence in software development as owners of the UNIX Operating System." Naturally, that piqued my interest, since I don't believe they necessarily are the "owners" of the UNIX Operating System (the Open Group owns the trademark, for starters, and Novell is challenging their ownership, for another) and because I wasn't aware of any leadership in software development by this company that seemed to me to have simply bought some rights in Unix, yet to be quantified, and then mostly used the software for litigation purposes. I also noticed something odd. There was no link to SD Times, despite a glowing quotation from an SD Times spokesman about their winnowing process, and that made me suspicious. Here is the quotation: "'Each year, the editors of BZ Media's SD Times 100 look for companies and influencers which set the technical and market leadership for the software development industry,' said Alan Zeichick, editor-in-chief of SD Times. 'When choosing the 2004 SD Times 100, we carefully considered each organization's offerings and reputation with developers, as well as the attention and conversation we've heard around the company and its products and technologies, as a sign of leadership within the industry.'"
SCO? Leadership in the industry? The industry BayStar says they should quit? A little digging on the wonderful Internet, which was developed by open source folks, by the way, and what do we find? That the press release didn't tell us the whole story. The SD Times awards are here, where you find "the Best of the Best". Here is their description of what SCO was so good at: "The company’s legal assaults on IBM and Linux users dominated 2003’s tech headlines and shook up the open-source community. No other IT topic inspires such fervent debate, fear, uncertainty and doubt." I didn't know they gave awards for FUD. And indeed SD Times created a brand new category, Influencers, this year. By the way, they beat out the Apache Software Foundation and the Eclipse Foundation, the Java Community Process, OSDL, O'Reilly Media, OASIS, Web Services Interoperability Organization, Paul Sarbanes and Michael Oxley, and W3C, who are no doubt relieved it's over and they can get out of a category that has SCO in it. SCO is a better influencer than W3C and Apache. Using what ruler? You know what they say, though. It's an honor just to be nominated. A few jokes around the water cooler, so to speak, at Apache today, I'm thinking. Meanwhile, a little more looking and it turns out companies can nominate themselves, to boot, though they don't have to, and I'm informed by SD Times' Zeichick that SCO didn't nominate itself. I had been thinking maybe SCO sent them their notebooks of press clippings. They have to be good for something. It's the dishonest press release that sticks in one's memory like a bad smell, though, not the humor. I was curious as to whose idea it was to come up with an award for FUD, and I did contact Mr. Zeichick, asking if that really was their intention, but there was no response. UPDATE: I have since heard from Mr. Zeichick, who offered some corrections, which I have incorporated, and who says this: "Actually, SCO did not nominate themselves, as I mentioned earlier. They were nominated by one of the judges; to the best of my knowledge, we had no contact from or with SCO regarding the SD Times 100 until I notified them that they won. (I did tell them the exact phrasing that was included in the award citation; they chose not to use it in their release.)
"Note that the rules page for the award (see http://www.bzmedia.com/sdtimes100.htm) states, 'It is not required that companies and organizations self-nominate in order to be considered for the 2004 SD Times 100.' And indeed, about half or more than half of the winners were nominated by our judges, and not by the vendor.
"That press release you linked to, by the way, was for the previous year's awards, where companies were indeed INVITED to nominate themselves, but that was never required, even for our first year's awards. Quite a few companies who won in 2003 were nominated by the judges."
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:00 PM EDT |
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT |
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT |
They are desperate to put a positive spin on anything. This is something I
would not be proud of.
The RottenKid[ Reply to This | # ]
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- On Spins - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT
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| Authored by: Waterman on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:08 PM EDT |
Well don't you think they are great spreaders of FUD? ;-)
But how did they beat out M$?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: phrostie on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:10 PM EDT |
PressRelease.
SCO beefs up user identity management
http://www.vnunet.com/News/1155244
Hhmmmm,
does this mean they now have the tools to remember that they are not SCO, but a
cheap knock off?
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Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS
and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings.
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/snafuu[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: dlk on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:13 PM EDT |
Does anyone know if the Baystar stock price trigger point has been reached? And
if so, has Baystar acted upon it?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Jaywalk on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:18 PM EDT |
SCO is a better influencer than W3C and Apache. Using what
ruler? That's easy, P.J. Would you have started Groklaw because
of anything the W3C has done? SCO has also been responsible for a reexamination
of Linux's code base, providing an opportunity to test the GPL in court and
providing work for dozens of trial lawyers who might be causing mischief
elsewhere.Of course, they're also a bunch of soulless weasels, but they're
influential soulless weasels.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:20 PM EDT |
Yes, Red hat hires lawyer, must be because some how Sun's decision to settle for
$1.9 Billion dollars instead of spending 110 million a year on its lawsuite with
Microsft means that Sun has been corrupted and will now actually try and compete
with Red Hat. God forbid. Competing with Red Hat clearly means you are
anti-open source, are trying to take over the world and will eventually join
with SCO.
Sheesh, Goodbye PJ, I know you won't miss me and will be glad to get rid of
those that refuse to "drink the coolaid". Good luck on your career
change from Legal Beagle to IT/Systems Industry Analyst.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: valdis on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:22 PM EDT |
I'd point out that Hitler was quite possibly the most influential person of the
20th Century, but then I'd have to invoke Godwin's Law. ;)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:22 PM EDT |
| Reminds me of Lybia being named to head the Human Rights Commission at the UN. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: ray08 on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:28 PM EDT |
| "and Novell is challenging their ownership, for
another"
actually, SCO is challenging Novell's ownership! Looks like
PJ inadvertently got caught by FUD thinking. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:29 PM EDT |
| If you're interested in the historic prices of SCOX, I have a huge annotated
graph of it here.
The link takes you to Feb 2003, use the thumbnails to navigate around it. There
is a lot of additional information month by month, including a running total of
how much the insider stock trades have sucked out of the company. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: blacklight on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:30 PM EDT |
While SCOG's stock price is currently $4.85, it may be $4.85 too high. One could
argue that SCOG's stock price is only beginning to parallel the company's lack
of performance, lack of prospects, and supremely inadequate
leadership/management. Lest any of you snidely accuse me of having said only
unkind things about SCOG and its top management: I nominate the dynamic duo Darl
McBride and Ralph Yarro as the corporate Masters of Disaster for the year 2004
not only for what they have accomplished in 2003 and 2004, but for my
expectation that they will outdo themselves in 2005.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: ausoleil on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:34 PM EDT |
Q: Why do people choose F/OSS over commercial alternatives?
A: To get work that needs doing done at a reasonable price.
There are those that would like us to pay for every piece of software that we
use on our computers -- operating systems, desktop apps, server apps, etc. etc.
And they are the ones who are crying "foul" the loudest over free
software.
But what they are missing is this -- free and open source software allows people
to not only get work done at a good price, it also imbues flexibility that a
one-size-fits-all approach cannot do.
Take a look at Microsoft Windows. No matter your level of technical acumen, you
are going to run the same kernel as everyone else who uses the same version and
patch level. You can't add to it, trim it, enhance or increase the security
level it offers (yes I know, an oxymoron.) It is what it is, take it or leave
it.
Now look at Linux. Joe Sixpack can run it out of the box and never see the
first line of software code. Sure, if that is what he wants, then fine. But,
at the same time, if you, the smarter guy want to optimize your kernel, add or
remove drive code, etc., if you are smart enough, you can do it. That may not
seem important until you look at the tightened budgets of the last recession --
guys were having to do more with less hardware, and at the same time, the shills
trying to pimp new closed source were (of course) requiring more and more and
more power to do the same work. So yeah, we chose the option of hacking our own
code together and making it not only work, but work better.
Sure, Joe Sixer will never do that. But until F/OSS geeks didn't either.
That's just one aspect of F/OSS that closed source will never be able to match.
There are many, many others. Each F/OSS project succeeds and fails on it's
merits rather than it's marketing. Apache didn't get to be the most widely used
web server because it is free - instead, because it is the best. GNU/Linux is
not replacing Windows servers because it is cool, it is because it is plainly
better. When you have the world improving a given app, not just a bunch of
coders in a cubicles, it is inevitable that it is more flexible and operates
more like what it is intended to. Otherwise, it hits the ether and is never
heard from again.
So FUD away, FUD away. You'll take my copy of Linux away from my cold dead
flippers.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:37 PM EDT |
There are new filings in the Red Hat case, regarding Red Hat's motion to
reconsider. At least the SCO reply.
Anybody seen 'em? Any chance we could get em?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:40 PM EDT |
It's legitimate to get recognition for being influential, whether for good or
ill. (tho SCO's spin on it is entirely in character, and quite amusing.) There
will always be thieves and grubbers like Canopy Group, and Darl and his
henchpeople in the world. This whole affair has been great for mobilizing people
into actually doing something useful and effective, instead of just whining on
Slashdot, and waking up idealistic geeks to the harsh realities of the Real
World.
Hopefully SCO will get so thoroughly squashed that potential imitators will be
discouraged. But, as we all know, there's one born every minute, and as long as
we have our completely screwed-up court system, which has turned litigation into
a war of attrition, there will always be more SCOs.
Other, related battles are just warming up- I predict increasing misuse and
outright stealing of GPL code. I'll wager there's already a considerable amount
of this going on, and how is anyone to know, when it's hidden away inside a
proprietary binary?
So, the unintended beneficial side effect of all this SCO nonsense is the
building of an infrastructure to effectively deal with this crap. I won't say
they deserve our thanks. The world would be much improved without them. But
nothing unites people like a common foe.
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| Authored by: _Arthur on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 01:57 PM EDT |
On RWT (realworldtech.com) I cast doubt on Linus newt-related activities. He
kindly set me straight:
Topic: Mating habits of Newts
Name: Linus Torvalds (torvalds@osdl.org) 5/18/04
_Arthur (_arthur@NAMEWITHELD.net) on 5/18/04 wrote:
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>>"Btw, did you know that newts have more offspring if you
>> play the harmonica to them during their mating rituals?
>> It's true."
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>As far as I know, newts don't mate at all, as such, wether
>you play the kazoo or not.
I realize that as computer geeks we all find it very
painful to realize that other animals _do_ actually find
mates, but you seem to have repressed this realization
deeper than most of us.
Yes, newts do mate. And I challenge you to find a study
that disproves my theory that they are more productive
when mating to harmonica music.
Oh ye of little faith..
Linus "off to the mating tanks" Torvalds
So I stand corrected. And I will listen to Pan flute music so to find a mate.
_Arthur
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| Authored by: ujay on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:01 PM EDT |
ZD Net is reporting that the EU has passed the changes to the controversial
european patent issue.
Article here:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39155028,00.htm
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| Authored by: Nick_UK on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT |
Good Sherlocking, PJ - when I read the 'news' I was saddened... but now you have
'uncovered' the _true_ award, and what it was for, it makes sense - asaik there
are be no other contenders that stooped so low.
Nick[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: dracoverdi on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT |
Actually a derisive award for FUD might be a good idea. It might have to be a
monthly or weekly award. Perhaps a standard feature for Groklaw?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:12 PM EDT |
Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini would all have qualified for the Influencer
awards.
The sad truth is that great evil has great influence.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: ray08 on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:13 PM EDT |
| http://finance.messages.yah
oo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&sid=1600684
464&mid=134196 FWIW [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: dgetzin on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:15 PM EDT |
I think you are onto something. Groklaw could send out a press release every
month with the FUD of the Month Winner and why they won. Also mention runners
up. It could be run like american idol - where jugdes (PJ, Linus...) discuss
their perfomance, but ultimately the public votes. Then every year there could
be big announcement for the FUD of the year.
This would be a fun and informative way to call attention to these tactics
without really feeding the trolls.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 02:45 PM EDT |
Microshaft UK (Apologies, must try and not be partisan here, but it aint easy)
is to hold a series of seminars in the UK to honestly and openly debate the pros
and cons of Windows Vs Limux.
Well I'm sorry but after reading the
article I must view this "event" with a healthy dollop of scepticism, especially
since most of the names mentioned in The Register article
here only
seem to be names with previous or present associations with The Vole. I mean has
Linus been invited? (would he bother to attend?) no mention of any other leading
lights or possibly interested parties in this Open v Proprietary debate like say
IBM, W3C, Novel, SuSE, FFI, RMS, The People Who Actually Do The Work or even
PJ
I'm sorry but if you want to have an "Open and Honest" debate, first
you have to demonstrably be, open and honest.
I'm afraid this is just
going to another round of the "usual" from the corporate "vested
interests"
If you think I'm being harsh or unreasonable here well I'm
sorry, but I've been talked down to and been told half-truths to, too many times
by the M$'s of this world to think otherwise.
Laudable though this
initiative appears to be on the surface by M$, I'm afraid they are going to
have to work bl**dy hard to convince me that this isn't just going to another
vehicle for yet more creative marketing aka - FUD.
I look forward to
being pleasently surprised, but I won't hold my breath.
CPW[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: AntiFUD on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 03:14 PM EDT |
In footnote 9 on Page 10 of the pdf there is a typo !!!!
January 2004 should be January 2005.
Was this intentional, or a 'Freudian slip'?
Maybe they are tired already.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 03:41 PM EDT |
An award for FUD... that falls for the FUD. How deliciously ironic. And how
sad.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 03:48 PM EDT |
I guess it is just a coincidence, but there is an author with the same name, and
one of his most featured books is titled "The hours". Never read one
of his books myself, it just made "click" when i saw the name. Well,
hope _this_ Michael Cunningham won't spend to much hours with SCO, it can surely
taint someones soul...
Linux_Inside[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 03:48 PM EDT |
"Meanwhile, yesterday Red Hat closed at $24.96. And the other SCO legal
victims? How are they doing? Well, they are all doing better than SCO. IBM
closed at $85.53. Novell closed at $10.18, DaimlerChrysler at $41.95, and
AutoZone at $83.06. There is a moral to the story, "
And the moral is: the absolute level of the share price means nothing at all.
Each share is worth (value of company)/(number of shares). That SCO's is $4
while IBM is $85 means nothing without other information.
Now, the fact that SCO's price has gone down and down _is_ significant.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: blacklight on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT |
"...honored to be named among the many influential companies that comprise
the SD Times 100. We pride ourselves in the work we do to create world renowned
Unix-based solutions designed by some of the most experienced and outstanding
engineers in the industry," said Jeff Hunsaker, senior vice president and
general manager, SCO's UNIX Division."
"The company’s legal assaults on IBM and Linux users dominated 2003’s tech
headlines and shook up the open-source community. No other IT topic inspires
such fervent debate, fear, uncertainty and doubt.". SD Times
SCOG: in touch with reality, as always.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 04:31 PM EDT |
See, nothing is impossible in this world. A company announced an award they got,
and their shares fall down heavily (> 6%)... See if this company CEO gets
into Guiness Book of Records later for some achievements, like the most skillful
liar that cheated himself (instead of others, though)?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 05:16 PM EDT |
And SCOX dropped even lower today. I have to say this is the first time I've
watched a stock daily, enjoying seeing it go down. Also, I'm a bit sorry I
didn't buy SCOX stock on the way up ... I knew it would go up on pure
speculation, and I knew it would drop when people started getting a clue.
Essentially, it was a legal pyramid scheme. Sadly, it just didn't occur to me
at the time. After all, I knew they didn't have a case and expected it to come
crashing down far more quickly. Ah, well, so much for hindsight.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 05:16 PM EDT |
<A
HREF="http://www.viantgroup.com/news_skiba040104.html">Apparently&l
t;/A> Skiba no longer is in the analyst business. Wonder why?
Actually, it's scary.. now he's managing someone else's money. Good thing it
ain't mine.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 05:26 PM EDT |
Do you think it's significant the the new lawyer came from IBM? Could he be a
'loaner' for the purposes of coordinating an assault on SCOG, and others.
If SCOG can raise different issues in different cases against different
companies I thin differnat companies can coordinate their efforts and statgeies
for best effect, and be less vunerable to having the differance used against
them. After all IBM can sy , sorry judge it doesn't matter what he said, he's
working for a differant client. SCOG can hardly tell one judge something and
then expect it not to be used against them.
Of course IBM has a highly respected and sucessful buisness in IP and is a great
place to learn to do it right.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 05:40 PM EDT |
Let's see, SCO closed at $4.69 today. It has to close at $6.13 tomorrow to avoid
setting a 52-week low, if I read the figures right. Think it has any chance at
all of rising $1.44 tomorrow?
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| Authored by: tredman on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 06:38 PM EDT |
Well, love or hate the publication, the certain items from the SD Times
winner's list is something to enjoy, in light of the FUD award: - Tools
& Environments: Eclipse Foundation (open source group, beat BEA, Borland,
Macromedia, Microsoft, all proprietary companies known for their high quanlity
development software)
- Deployment Platforms: JBoss Group LLC (open
source group, beat out many of the big players like IBM, Microsoft, Novell,
Oracle and Sun)
- Database & Data Access: MySQL AB (open source
group, beat Microsoft, Oracle and IBM)
- Embedded & Mobile: Wind
River Systems, Inc. (prominent Linux embedded vendor, beat Microsoft and
Palm)
You think that Microsoft might be a little concerned that all
of their nominations were beaten by F/OSS? I'm sure IBM and Novell aren't
losing much sleep over it, since they know that their future, on it's current
course, depends on F/OSS.
Nice to see the good guys
represented. Tim [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 07:12 PM EDT |
Adolf Hitler won Time Magazine Person of the Year in 1938.
Stalin a year later.
Hmmm, maybe SCO is in good company after all.
A list of Time award-winners, good and bad, can be found at
http://www.time.com/time/poy2000/archive/1973.html[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT |
so Sun is against Linux - but a linux distro is one of their key new products.
that make sense...
stop grouping Sun with Microsoft, they are at toally different levels.
Will.
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| Authored by: brian on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 07:57 PM EDT |
"Sounds like Red Hat has figured out the Sun-Microsoft
detente has a goal. I am very glad if they have more
firepower, because it seems like every time Sun's Jonathan
Schwartz opens his mouth these days, he says something
against Red Hat, so the plan was not hard to spot,
particularly because he never mentioned SuSE or Mandrake
or any of the others. Red Hat is out front, so "those who
seek to slow the momentum of open source" have decided to
attack it. "
PJ, it is simple to explain why they are seemingly only
attacking Red Hat. First, Red Hat is an American company
that is accessable by American courts. To sue say Mandrake
they would have to abide by European law which isn't as
"amenable" to corporate influence like US law is. Second,
any injunction or legal finding against Red Hat is just as
valid against the other distros so striking at Red Hat is
easier than doing the "SCO shotgun scatter suits".
B.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18 2004 @ 09:56 PM EDT |
> Meanwhile, yesterday Red Hat closed at $24.96.
Actually, at one point last week (May 13th at 1:00pm) Red Hat's stock price was
momentarily higher than Microsoft's.
Of course, it doesn't mean much to compare stock prices, since it also depends
how much stock has been issued.
However, it does mean something to compare trends, and MSFT has stayed almost
flat over the last year, while RHAT has gone up steadily from $5 to $25.
:-)
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 05:48 AM EDT |
SCO realy should be nominated for one of the largest influencers this year.
I mean for influencing the software industry in the most negative sense ![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 09:05 AM EDT |
| Thge bit that most people see, the WWW, was not invented by open-source people
but by pragmatic academics who wanted to get a job done, such as Tim
Berners-Lee. Their actions were essentialy like those of open-source people, but
they were and are not zealots like RMS, their motivation was idealistic, but to
have a good way of accessing information, rather than to promote freedom.
Happily, the two different ideals, both worthy in themselves, have substantial
overlap, but one of the earliest browsers went closed-source, and ended up as
part of IE (presumably the better part!). Sad, without that contribution Sir
Bill would probably still not have a browser, and the world would be a better
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 09:33 AM EDT |
Someone mentioned this earlier, but I would like to reiterate the point made.
The stock price comparisons as made in the original news posting are irrelevant.
What is significant is the change in share value relative to a specific date
(usually the date you invest in a stock). In this case, if you invested in SCO
on 6 March 2003 at $2.21 per share, and were dumb enough to hold on to it until
yesterday and sold it at $4.81 per share, you still would have made a tidy 118%
profit on your investment. 118% is actually a good return on a such a risky
investment.
In future, instead of quoting daily closing prices, it might be more useful to
quote the daily % change in price, or the the % in share price compared to the
day SCO began litigation with the given company, which would be more reflective
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| Authored by: BrianW on Wednesday, May 19 2004 @ 09:50 AM EDT |
Actually, I understand SCO’s delight in having been chosen for this distinctive
honor. I applaud SCO’s accomplishments that led to their selection for this
award, and I hope their reputation for having such influence on the industry
continues to grow.
In fact, I share a similar honor that I’d like to share with all of you: I got
my picture in the Post Office! Yes, that’s right! My picture is prominently
displayed in the local Post Office, listing me as one of the nation’s ten most
desired men. Allow me to repeat that: I’m in the top ten in the ENTIRE NATION!
To be recognized in such a manner is quite an honor, indeed! I never thought
my humble activities would land me a place in the nation’s top-ten most desired
list and an honorary spot on the coveted wall of the Post Office, but that just
goes to show you what a little determination, integrity, and vision can
accomplish. And (though this might be bragging a bit at this point), in similar
fashion to SCO’s award, they had to actually invent a new category to match my
unique and pervasive accomplishments.
I couldn’t be more proud!
Yes, it’s difficult to keep such an accomplishment from going to one’s head. So
I fully understand SCO’s rush to issue a press release proclaiming the honor
bestowed upon them. Bless their hearts! I wouldn’t be at all surprised someday
to find Darl’s picture next to mine at the Post Office. Goodness knows, if I
can make it, Darl can too!
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//Brian
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