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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 05:28 AM EDT

The judge in the SCO v. DaimerChrysler case, the Hon. Rae Lee Chabot, seems like a no-nonsense type. She has scheduled a hearing for June 9th on DC's summary disposition motion, and she provided a schedule, letting both sides know when she expects briefs to be filed. If they don't timely file their briefs, "the Court will assume that counsel is without authority for their respective positions" and the motion will be heard on the scheduled date without them.

The June 9 hearing date is currently pencilled in as an oral-arguments hearing, but she tells the parties she is free to waive the oral arguments if she feels like it later, presumably after she reads all the papers. If she doesn't think she needs to hear them argue their points orally, she is saying she can rule on the pleadings alone.

Whoa. Is this not a change from what we are used to?

You think she read that DC hasn't used SCO's software in almost a decade? Actually, as you will see, Michigan Court Rules encourage speed and give the judge a lot of leeway. SCO is to file its response brief by May 19, and DC must file its 5-page reply by May 26, if it chooses to, or it can skip that step if it wants to. If either side misses a deadline, they need to give her a real good reason why. It doesn't look like this case will drag on and on for long stretches without activity, despite delay being SCO's speciality.

This is the same judge who refused a request back in December to let Jack Kavorkian get out of prison early when he pleaded ill health, saying his health problems didn't trump state law.

The SCO v. DC order also informs both sides what she expects to find written on the motions and in them. Cases. She wants cases for every point. But hurry up and not too many. There's a page limit.

The order uses a legal term, "praecipe". This word is just another name for order, or maybe more like a command, because it adds the flavor that the order is to be obeyed or you have to tell the judge why you failed to do so. Here is the definition from my "Law Dictionary" by Steven H. Gifis:

"Lat: order; command. A writ commanding the defendant to do the thing required or to show reason why it has not been done. The clerk of the court is ordered by a praecipe to issue an execution of judgment."

The Free Dictionary says it is "A writ commanding something to be done, or requiring a reason for neglecting it."

In this case, it is referring to a form that the party bringing the motion must fill out just before the hearing date. You have to certify that you contacted, or seriously tried to contact, the other side and at least tried to work things out so as to avoid the necessity for the motion. You can find it here as PDF, and a explanation on the page that links to it:

"General motion practice is governed by MCR 2.119 and LCR 2.119. Procedure may vary by judge. It is recommended that you contact the chambers of the assigned judge with specific questions. Some judges may have posted procedures.

"MCR 2.119(A)(2) requires that a brief accompany any motion presenting an issue of law. An original and judge's copy of the motion, and the brief, must be filed with the court. Motions and responses must be filed on the opposing party as required by MCR 2.119(C). 

"In addition, the moving party must file a certified praecipe (file size 7k)  as required by LCR 2.119(B) at least seven days prior to the hearing or as ordered by the Court."

If they do have oral arguments, I think I'd dress up. Prim, proper, and prepared. You don't want this judge to have to remind you again what the local court rules are.

It's so hard when you get space limits. If you have a lot of points, it can be agonizing. Lawyers try to come up with all kinds of ways to exceed the limit. I have worked on cases involving domain name disputes where you have limits like that. But they do let you add on affidavits and exhibits to your document, so that's how we would exceed the limits. We'd refer in the document to our exhibits and the affidavits and squeeze in our extra points that way. I am not sure I'd go overboard on that trick with this judge.

She also warns the parties that she expects them to follow a Michigan rule regarding motions:

"PLEASE BE ADVISED THE COURT WILL STRICTLY ENFORCE MCR 2.119(A)(2)."

Whew. OK. All caps even. Here is MCR 2.119(A)(2):

2.119(A)(2) A motion or response to a motion that presents an issue of law must be accompanied by a brief citing the authority on which it is based. Except as permitted by the court, the combined length of any motion and brief, or of a response and brief, may not exceed 20 pages double spaced, exclusive of attachments and exhibits. Quotations and footnotes may be single-spaced. At least one-inch margins must be used, and printing shall not be smaller than 12-point type. A copy of a motion or response (including brief) filed under this rule must be provided by counsel to the office of the judge hearing the motion. The judge's copy must be clearly marked judge's copy on the cover sheet; that notation may be handwritten.

You can tell they've seen all the tricks, and they have decided you get 20 pages, and you can do the add-on trick, but no printing in teeny weeny print to make it fit the 20-page limit, and by the way, the margins have to be normal too. The "authority on which it is based" means a case. She wants a case for every point made. That's one way to keep their foot to the pedal. No vague meanderings or philosophical musings. I'd skip the poetry. You don't need Bartlett's, and close the Thesaurus. Just the facts, ma'am.

Rule 2116, which she also refers to, are the rules for summary dispositions, which this one is, and the subsection she references says a "copy of a motion or response (including brief and any affidavits) filed under this rule must be provided by counsel to the office of the judge hearing the motion. The judge's copy must be clearly marked JUDGE'S COPY on the cover sheet; that notation may be handwritten." Got that? I'm guessing this is one time SCO's lawyers will try to get the details right.

If you read the entire Rule 2116, on the same page as Rule 2119, it gives you a clear idea of all the things that could happen and what each side can try, and you can see near the end all the options the judge has to dispose of a case:

"(A) Judgment on Stipulated Facts.

(1) The parties to a civil action may submit an agreed-upon stipulation of facts to the court.

(2) If the parties have stipulated to facts sufficient to enable the court to render judgment in the action, the court shall do so.

(B) Motion.

(1) A party may move for dismissal of or judgment on all or part of a claim in accordance with this rule. A party against whom a defense is asserted may move under this rule for summary disposition of the defense. A request for dismissal without prejudice under MCL 600.2912c must be made by motion under MCR 2.116 and MCR 2.119.

(2) A motion under this rule may be filed at any time consistent with subrule (D) and subrule (G)(1), but the hearing on a motion brought by a party asserting a claim shall not take place until at least 28 days after the opposing party was served with the pleading stating the claim.

(C) Grounds. The motion may be based on one or more of these grounds, and must specify the grounds on which it is based:

(1) The court lacks jurisdiction over the person or property.

(2) The process issued in the action was insufficient.

(3) The service of process was insufficient.

(4) The court lacks jurisdiction of the subject matter.

(5) The party asserting the claim lacks the legal capacity to sue.

(6) Another action has been initiated between the same parties involving the same claim.

(7) The claim is barred because of release, payment, prior judgment, immunity granted by law, statute of limitations, statute of frauds, an agreement to arbitrate, infancy or other disability of the moving party, or assignment or other disposition of the claim before commencement of the action.

(8) The opposing party has failed to state a claim on which relief can be granted.

(9) The opposing party has failed to state a valid defense to the claim asserted against him or her.

(10) Except as to the amount of damages, there is no genuine issue as to any material fact, and the moving party is entitled to judgment or partial judgment as a matter of law.

(D) Time to Raise Defenses and Objections. The grounds listed in subrule (C) must be raised as follows:

(1) The grounds listed in subrule (C)(1), (2), and (3) must be raised in a party's first motion under this rule or in the party's responsive pleading, whichever is filed first, or they are waived.

(2) The grounds listed in subrule (C)(5), (6), and (7) must be raised in a party's responsive pleading, unless the grounds are stated in a motion filed under this rule prior to the party's first responsive pleading. Amendment of a responsive pleading is governed by MCR 2.118.

(3) The grounds listed in subrule (C)(4), (8), (9), and (10) may be raised at any time.

(E) Consolidation; Successive Motions.

(1) A party may combine in a single motion as many defenses or objections as the party has based on any of the grounds enumerated in this rule.

(2) No defense or objection is waived by being joined with one or more other defenses or objections.

(3) A party may file more than one motion under this rule, subject to the provisions of subrule (F).

(F) Motion or Affidavit Filed in Bad Faith. A party or an attorney found by the court to have filed a motion or an affidavit in violation of the provisions of MCR 2.114 may, in addition to the imposition of other penalties prescribed by that rule, be found guilty of contempt.

(G) Affidavits; Hearing.

(1) Except as otherwise provided in this subrule, MCR 2.119 applies to motions brought under this rule.

(a) Unless a different period is set by the court,

(i) a written motion under this rule with supporting brief and any affidavits must be filed and served at least 21 days before the time set for the hearing, and

(ii) any response to the motion (including brief and any affidavits) must be filed and served at least 7 days before the hearing.

(b) If the court sets a different time for filing and serving a motion or a response, its authorization must be endorsed in writing on the face of the notice of hearing or made by separate order.

(c) A copy of a motion or response (including brief and any affidavits) filed under this rule must be provided by counsel to the office of the judge hearing the motion. The judge's copy must be clearly marked JUDGE'S COPY on the cover sheet; that notation may be handwritten.

(2) Except as to a motion based on subrule (C)(8) or (9), affidavits, depositions, admissions, or other documentary evidence may be submitted by a party to support or oppose the grounds asserted in the motion.

(3) Affidavits, depositions, admissions, or other documentary evidence in support of the grounds asserted in the motion are required

(a) when the grounds asserted do not appear on the face of the pleadings, or

(b) when judgment is sought based on subrule (C)(10).

(4) A motion under subrule (C)(10) must specifically identify the issues as to which the moving party believes there is no genuine issue as to any material fact. When a motion under subrule (C)(10) is made and supported as provided in this rule, an adverse party may not rest upon the mere allegations or denials of his or her pleading, but must, by affidavits or as otherwise provided in this rule, set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial. If the adverse party does not so respond, judgment, if appropriate, shall be entered against him or her.

(5) The affidavits, together with the pleadings, depositions, admissions, and documentary evidence then filed in the action or submitted by the parties, must be considered by the court when the motion is based on subrule (C)(1)-(7) or (10). Only the pleadings may be considered when the motion is based on subrule (C)(8) or (9).

(6) Affidavits, depositions, admissions, and documentary evidence offered in support of or in opposition to a motion based on subrule (C)(1)-(7) or (10) shall only be considered to the extent that the content or substance would be admissible as evidence to establish or deny the grounds stated in the motion.

(H) Affidavits Unavailable.

(1) A party may show by affidavit that the facts necessary to support the party's position cannot be presented because the facts are known only to persons whose affidavits the party cannot procure. The affidavit must

(a) name these persons and state why their testimony cannot be procured, and

(b) state the nature of the probable testimony of these persons and the reason for the party's belief that these persons would testify to those facts.

(2) When this kind of affidavit is filed, the court may enter an appropriate order, including an order

(a) denying the motion, or

(b) allowing additional time to permit the affidavit to be supported by further affidavits, or by depositions, answers to interrogatories, or other discovery.

(I) Disposition by Court; Immediate Trial.

(1) If the pleadings show that a party is entitled to judgment as a matter of law, or if the affidavits or other proofs show that there is no genuine issue of material fact, the court shall render judgment without delay.

(2) If it appears to the court that the opposing party, rather than the moving party, is entitled to judgment, the court may render judgment in favor of the opposing party.

(3) A court may, under proper circumstances, order immediate trial to resolve any disputed issue of fact, and judgment may be entered forthwith if the proofs show that a party is entitled to judgment on the facts as determined by the court. An immediate trial may be ordered if the grounds asserted are based on subrules (C)(1) through (C)(6), or if the motion is based on subrule (C)(7) and a jury trial as of right has not been demanded on or before the date set for hearing. If the motion is based on subrule (C)(7) and a jury trial has been demanded, the court may order immediate trial, but must afford the parties a jury trial as to issues raised by the motion as to which there is a right to trial by jury.

(4) The court may postpone until trial the hearing and decision on a matter involving disputed issues of fact brought before it under this rule.

(5) If the grounds asserted are based on subrule (C)(8), (9), or (10), the court shall give the parties an opportunity to amend their pleadings as provided by MCR 2.118, unless the evidence then before the court shows that amendment would not be justified.

(J) Motion Denied; Case Not Fully Adjudicated on Motion.

(1) If a motion under this rule is denied, or if the decision does not dispose of the entire action or grant all the relief demanded, the action must proceed to final judgment. The court may:

(a) set the time for further pleadings or amendments required;

(b) examine the evidence before it and, by questioning the attorneys, ascertain what material facts are without substantial controversy, including the extent to which damages are not disputed; and

(c) set the date on which all discovery must be completed.

(2) A party aggrieved by a decision of the court entered under this rule may:

(a) seek interlocutory leave to appeal as provided for by these rules;

(b) claim an immediate appeal as of right if the judgment entered by the court constitutes a final judgment under MCR 2.604(B); or

(c) proceed to final judgment and raise errors of the court committed under this rule in an appeal taken from the final judgment."

She doesn't look at all the way you have pictured her, I bet. Here is a picture and here is her bio. She's pretty. She was a practicing attorney for quite some time, so she certainly knows her way around a courtroom. She's been a judge since 2001, when she was appointed to fill a term when the prior circuit judge was elected to the Court of Appeals. Yes. Judges on this level are voted for. Chabot, according to this page, will end her current term in January of 2005. Circuit judges in Michigan earn $139,919 per year, this page says, and serve 6-8 year terms. When she was first appointed, this is what she said:

"This is an opportunity for me to approach cases with an attitude of dispute resolution. That's something I know I always appreciated as an attorney in private practice, not just proceeding straight to trial, but to get a judge who would really try to bring the parties together and work things out."

I don't know. With SCO, methinks she'd need to knock them over the head with a 2 by 4 or something to get them to work things out. One thing is for sure. The Michigan Court Rules let her do almost anything she feels like. If she doesn't want to hit them with a metaphorical 2 by 4, might we hope for a clue stick?

Here is Judge Chabot's order:

*************************

STATE OF MICHIGAN
IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR THE COUNTY OF OAKLAND

______________________

THE SCO GROUP,

Plaintiff,

v.

DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORP,

Defendant.

_____________________

Case No. 2004-056587-CK
Hon. Rae Lee Chabot

04-056587-CK

OAKLAND COUNTY
JUDGE RAE LEE CHABOT
SCO GROUP INC V DAIMLERCHRYSLER

RECEIVED FOR FILING
OAKLAND COUNTY CLERK

'04 MAY -4 P12:37
-------------------

DEPUTY COUNTY CLERK

-----------------------

SUMMARY DISPOSITION SCHEDULING ORDER
RE: DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY DISPOSITION
Scheduled: JUNE 9, 2004

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the parties adhere to the following schedule:

(1) Plaintiffs response brief must be filed and received by the Court and opposing counsel by May 19, 2004.

(2) Defendant's reply brief (optional) must be filed and received by the Court and opposing counsel by May 26, 2004. The reply brief may not exceed five (5) pages.

(3) The moving party must re-praecipe the above-stated motion to be heard on the date set above.

(4) PLEASE BE ADVISED THE COURT WILL STRICTLY ENFORCE MCR 2.119(A)(2).

If briefs are not filed, the Court will assume that counsel is without authority for their respective positions, and will hear the motion on the re-praeciped date. This scheduling order pertains to the above-stated motion only. All other motions remain scheduled as praeciped. It is the responsibility of the moving party to notify the Court, in advance of the date scheduled, of any cancellations of the hearing. Counsel shall provide a copy of a response or reply (including brief as well as attachments) to the Judge's Chambers in accordance with MCR 2.116(G)(1)(c). The scheduling of this matter for oral argument does not preclude the Court from waiving oral argument at a later date pursuant to applicable Michigan Court Rule.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

Dated: MAY 04 2004

_____[signature]________
s/ R L Chabot

HONORABLE RAE LEE CHABOT

________________________________

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

The undersigned certifies that a copy of the foregoing was mailed to all parties at their respective addresses via first class mail on May 4, 2004.

Signed: s/ Jane Whisnant


  


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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: paul_cooke on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 05:45 AM EDT
wow... she certainly means business... I'll bet SCOG are
regretting filing the case in Michigan now and will try to
get transferred to Utah... that would be the only way they
can inject some delay into the proceedings.

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: JustFree on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 05:54 AM EDT
Wow. It seems that this case will no nonesense. So does this mean that SCO Group
can not pick arguements out of a hat and hope something sticks? With the IBM
case they have changed their arguements. With the Novell case they have made
still claims. "Slander of Title"???

This seems to be good especially for DaimlerChrysler.

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Paper Size
Authored by: maroberts on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 06:16 AM EDT
It doesn't specify Letter or A4 size paper, so I guess its time to break out the A0 (or whatever the US has as its equivalent)

Paper size guide

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: Franki on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 06:20 AM EDT
Well, the Judge doesn't have to be a groklaw reader to know about SCO's antics,
they have been pretty well covered by most of the mainstream press in one form
or another..

Its likely she just googled the parties in question.

- SCO, 4,300,000 pages found.
- DaimerChrysler 2,730 pages found.

A quick scan of some of those pages would have shown that one of them was known
for premptive lawsuits and FUD.. neither of which she appears to want to allow
in her court.

That filing is kind of a pre-emptive slap on the wrist to SCO, without directly
wrist slapping..

I like this lady already.

rgds

Franki

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SCO/DC and SCO/Novell.
Authored by: Franki on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 06:32 AM EDT
If the court cases go as they look like they probably will..
it could be very tough for SCO to continue.

- SCO/DC, no case, dismissed, defendant hasn't used the license in question for
7 years and complied with all legal requests regarding it.

- SCO/Novell, if it follows the same course as canopy/Novell, where the case is
interpreted exactly as the relevant written documents indicated and oral
interpretation was not allowed, then SCO will lose that one as well.

The press (finiancal in particular) would stop painting such a glowing pic of
SCO as reasonable investment pretty quickly, they seem a fickle lot...

SCO's stock price after losing those two would probably be in the vicinity of
$1-2, and may even be lower if the SCO/Novell case seriously causes problems for
the IBM case.
(which a Novell favoured finding definately would.)

Personally I can't think of a single reason that DC could lose here.. I just
don't see it as possible, SCO has nothing to go with here.... In fact I can see
SCO wanting to drop charges against DC at some stage soon, before it hurts them
more.

I guess we can unoffically chalk one up for OSS,
one down, 4 to go. (RH, AZ, IBM, Novell.)


rgds

Franki



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Economist article this week
Authored by: geoff lane on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 07:12 AM EDT
The Economist has an article about the "kinder, gentler microsoft". It's not publically available on the web site. Towards the end it talks about SCO and Linux. Craig Mundie (MS chief technical officer) is quoted as saying, "...the soft underbelly of Linux...is legal ambiguity. Companies...can never be sure who owns what."

This is exactly where Microsoft can hurt Linux. Technically and even legally MS is in a hole with regard to Linux, but all MS has to do is convince company people who set the company policies that there is a hint of a legal threat with adopting Linux.

SCO can do nothing more or disappear in a puff of legal smoke and the fact that they once filled the news media with accusations will live for a very long time. It doesn't matter if the accusations turned out to be groundless, most people will just remember the doubts.

Having no central Linux command and control protects us from direct financial attacks by the likes of MS but it does mean that there is nowhere for the average reporter to go to ask the simple questions and get some honest anti-FUD commentary.

We've seen here time after time that reporters will take the path of least work. They will much prefer to get what seems to be a strong and independent "opinion" from the likes of Enderle, someone whose motives are open to doubt to those of us who follow the story in detail, than to hunt around looking for someone who really knows what is going on.

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 07:33 AM EDT
I wonder if SCO will even show up for the court date. :)

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Great article PJ. Very educational. Thanks! (But, where is the Laws of Agency in this case?)
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 07:33 AM EDT
One loves an education.
PJ - provides us with a good one where we can all sit on the 50 yard line as we
watch this case unfold.

PS - I wonder why this case, being a "innocent 3rd party consumer"
type of case... did not bring the "laws of agency", etc, into the
picture?

Users of Linux, are innocent 3rd party users (since SCO has done nothing to stop
distribution of LINUX, they have not reversed the current state where agents of
their claimed, but yet to be proven, IP... are, with the apparent approval of
SCO, these agents, or distributors are still free, under SCO's eyes, to
distribute LINUX with the ONLY limits being governed by JUST the Linus Torvald's
version of the GPL that he selected for LINUX. There are no other conditions.
AND SCO is making no effort to enforce any new conditions regarding the
distribution of LINUX).

Estoppel, estoppel by laches, ACQUIESCENCE, Agents, Authority, apparent or
ostensible authority/agents, actual authority, express authority. Also throw in
the meaning of the GPL for good measure! All these word play in the case of
where SCO comes in and tries to harm an innocent 3rd party use of LINUX.

Search Groklaw or your legal dictionary for more on these words. Short cut -
just search Groklaw for "innocent 3rd party"... then, expand your
search.

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: odysseus on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 07:50 AM EDT
I'm SOOO looking forward to reading SCO's filings in this
one :-) They can either adhere to the rules, and submit a
blank page (other than a hand-scrawled "Judges Copy"
across the top), or play their usual fast-and-loose game
and get squashed like a bug under the Judges gavel...

Boy, do they wish now they'd filed in some other
jurisdiction.

John.

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SCO's biggest risk is shown above.
Authored by: freeio on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 08:45 AM EDT
It reads:

"(F) Motion or Affidavit Filed in Bad Faith. A party or an attorney found by the court to have filed a motion or an affidavit in violation of the provisions of MCR 2.114 may, in addition to the imposition of other penalties prescribed by that rule, be found guilty of contempt."

SCO has so far abused the process in several courts, and there is the risk that some judge (this one seems no-nonsense) will take them to task for it.  We shall see...

Marty

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Rules, Butter and SCO's Response
Authored by: webster on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 08:54 AM EDT
Don't get all hyped up about the judge and the rules. She probably uses this
same order where appropriate in all of her cases.

No doubt the judge will not be upset to see herself portrayed in such a
flattering light. All thanks to the authoress.

What makes this seem all hell bent for leather precipitous for SCO is the fact
that the Defendant has not used thier software for seven years. This is a huge
factual problem. First it puts everything beyond the statute of limitations;
second they are no longer in contractual privity. SCO can probably get out of
it for attorney's fees.

SCO can blow this motion away if they can present a factual defense such as an
affidavit from a mole in DC's IT Division saying that they still use SCO
software or did so recently enough. This would be stunning since SCO's PR
usually runs ahead of its court pronouncements.

SCO is using the Courts as part of their licensing terror campaign. They keep
thinking that the next suit will turn the tide. Suits alone won't make it any
more. Groklaw is on to them. They need some victories. They are not really
interested in the merits of any particular case just so the world realizes that
they are suing. This Michigan case is just a little skirmish that might not
confuse and perdure as much as they had hoped. Let's hope DC can punish them
and make them realize that their is a price to pay for abusing the courts. A
sharp judge may be just the ticket.



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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: SCO's Best Outcome
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 09:01 AM EDT
The best possible outcome of this case for SCO is to have council meet, agree to
drop the suit and hold a press conference announcing victory in protection of
their IP rights.

Anything else will cost them more than they can possibly get.

BTW I like the part about raising you grounds on the first filing or they are
waived. I don't think we'll see a Second amended complaint in this case.

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7K file size
Authored by: snorpus on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 09:31 AM EDT
"In addition, the moving party must file a certified praecipe (file size 7k) as required by LCR 2.119(B) at least seven days prior to the hearing or as ordered by the Court."

7K is, of course, 7 kilobytes, or 7168 bytes. In a plain ASCII file, that would be 7168 characters. 12 point type is roughly equivalent to the old pica type, or 10 characters per inch. With one inch margins all around, there would be 65 characters per line, and 54 lines per page (assuming Letter size paper).

A single-spaced page would therefore hold, at most, 54 x 65 = 3510 characters per page. Since not every line of text would go all the way to the right margin, the 7KB limit would translate to about 2.5 pages single spaced, or 5 pages double-spaced.

On the other hand, I just created a blank document with Word XP. File size = 24,064 bytes. I wonder if you're allowed to submit a gzip?

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OT: Best way to read Groklaw?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 09:44 AM EDT
I've been viewing Groklaw in HTML for the past year. It's a bit annoying to
have to use the back button on my browser to get back to the main thread. I'm
thinking I'm completely ignorant, and there's probably a news reader or
something to be able to expand and collapse replies.

Is there a better tool? If so, what do you use? (Must run on Linux, of course)

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Dispute resolution
Authored by: tangomike on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 09:52 AM EDT
If Judge Chabot still believes in dispute resolution, let's hope TSCOG's
approach has impressed her:- fire off a Gestetner threat letter, then sue,
without bothering to see if your target(s) even got the letter.

I don't know how these court rules compare to other states', but it appears that
TSCOG's antics in other courts wouldn't work here. So who thought this suit was
a good idea? Kevin? Darl? Seems like their quality of prep and work.

Anybody got any ideas how we might help DC stay the course and insist on a
finding that this suit is frivolous? It seems to me an out of court settlement
or withdrawl of the suit would be an economical solution for DC, but regrettable
for Linux and FOSS. The Enquirer article mentioned elsewhere shows M$ is still
using this case for FUD.



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June 9th Set for Hearing : GOOD OMEN!
Authored by: joef on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 10:13 AM EDT
My wife's birthday is May 19, so that's a good sign. Even better is June 9, our
50th wedding anniversary. I'm looking for that to be a stellar day!

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 10:39 AM EDT
SCO is sueing DC for some software DC didn't use in 7 years and SCO doesn't
actually own the copyright for. No wonder the judge is short-tempered.

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: joef on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 10:44 AM EDT
I use Mozilla 1.3.1 (I know, I'm not current) on Linux. I click the link with
the middle button and up pops a new window. And the feature I like best: If
the text is too small (I've been around seven decades) ALT-V, Z, 0 (zero) makes
it readable. In fact, that's the default when I'm browsing Grocklaw.

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SCO's argument
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 10:45 AM EDT
SCO is going to claim that DC is still using SOFTWARE PRODUCT, as Linux is
an unauthorized derivate of SOFTWARE PRODUCT. As this is a matter of fact
and not matter of law, DC's motion for summary disposition will be denied
(unfortunately).

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SCO v. DaimlerChrysler: June 9th Set for Hearing on DC's Motion for Summary Disposition
Authored by: Steve Martin on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 11:21 AM EDT

If she doesn't want to hit them with a metaphorical 2 by 4, might we hope for a clue stick?

Or how about a LART? :)

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OT: Judge Chabot's looks...
Authored by: archonix on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 11:43 AM EDT
Wow, she looks more than a little like my fiancée. If she's got the same
temprament as Chris then I might start to feel sorry for the SCOg legal team...

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no-nonsense judge
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT
Another no-nonsense judge. That's good.

I have a theory that SCO's strategy is to file lots of lawsuits in hope that
eventually it will happen across a judge who is an idiot and will let them get
somewhere. So far they have struck out.

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Pretty judges
Authored by: darkonc on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 03:52 PM EDT
Not to disparage her looks (yes, Chabot is attractive), but I've appeared before prettier judges... and given the small number of judges that I've argued before, I'd say that that's pretty impressive.

One thing to note, however, is that female lawyers are pretty much a recent phenomenon, so your average female judge is likely to be younger than your average male judge.
I think that, if you did a proper survey, you'd find that Judge Judy's (apparent) age is something of an anomaly.

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I love this judge! Clue Stick indeed.
Authored by: pcguido on Saturday, May 15 2004 @ 06:10 PM EDT
PJ's got it, this judge just may hit SCO with the clue stick! I've been way
surprised at how long all these cases have been draggin' on; and most surprised
that they have gotten any traction at in the legal system at all.

But: IAMNAL, I'm a Software Design Architect... and I'm afraid my flow chart on
these cases would be the world's shortest directed graph. Well, maybe not the
shortest, as "Go to Jail, go directly to jail..." is already taken.

Thanks PJ for helping me understand how our legal system actuall works (it seems
TV really didn't get it quite right!)

;)

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How refreshing.
Authored by: mobrien_12 on Sunday, May 16 2004 @ 01:54 AM EDT
It will be nice to see a SCO lawsuit without endless SCO-based delays.

Thanks for posting the bio and photo of the judge, PJ. It's good to put a human
face to this stuff, especially when all we get to see are letters on a computer
screen.



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The judge
Authored by: Steve Martin on Sunday, May 16 2004 @ 12:14 PM EDT
That was unwarranted.

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