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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Monday, May 10 2004 @ 07:51 PM EDT

In response to my request that readers keep an eye out for SCO news in non-English media, I received this email letting us know that SCO's Polish office has been shut down. Furthermore the former head of the office has set up a Linux business, specializing in helping folks migrate from SCO software to Linux.

Here is the email:

"As an answer to your request about non-English articles about SCO: Internet sources in Poland (Europe) report that 'due to restructurization of sale channels in eastern Europe, the SCO Group has closed its Warsaw office, that used to be responsible for east Europe sales'. The office worked until the end of april 2004. Sales in Poland will be coordinated from the German office.

"It is reported that Alexander Sirotin, former Manager of the Polish office, has started his own business under the name Luxos, that is going to sell SuSE Linux and offer help with migration from SCO systems to Linux. It is also mentioned, that SCO's anti-Linux actions affected sales negatively prior to the closing.

This text is a compilation from several articles, with some omissions:

"Strange thing is that SCO website still has Alexander Sirotin as Polish and Russian contact for SCO -- and ."

You can verify the Polish to English translation at this site, with the usual laughably charming results. For example, here is Poltran's version of's article:

"Translation: It has closed warsaw office of firm with end of april for sale of product in east europe responsible     SCO Group. Hitherto existing manager country, Alexander Sirotin, it has departed from firm and it has set up (has founded) personal linux of unix - ( ) LUXOS Operating Systems. Will concentrate on sale of system of production linux Luxos SuSE, it offers migration from systems on presently SCO SuSE."

And here is Poltran's best effort on the Networld report:

"Translation: Sale of license have contribute on linux for considerable incrementation of (growth of) income SCO Group. However, it has caused crusade Antylinuksowa, that last time it was led in europe firm weakly, where solutions are rooted on market factorial open source. It has sold off department (squad) in half (hunt) on central europe 2003 SCO and eastern (eastern) and scandinavia, which (who) szefowa? Greg Bogochwalski. Number of employee of (staff of) warsaw office has fallen off also, activity has ended in april which (who) ultimately. They have not burned out plans of cooperation with (from) also SCO Optimusem. Now they will be responsible for sale of product on our market SCO Robert Duic and Lubomir Mitanek, from german shoulder of department of (squad of) firm acting. Store house (magazine) brings (deliver) CRN, that Alexander Sirotin, hitherto existing chief of warsaw office SCO Gropu it has set up (has founded) new firm - already, which (who) with (from) favor (services) related system linux swiadczy wdro?eniami SUSE."

We get the idea. SCO is downsizing, and they are being harmed by their attacks on Linux. And the enterprising Alexander Sirotin has set up shop with an eye to selling what he believes people there are interested in buying, help to escape from SCO.


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Corrections here please
Authored by: PJ on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:23 PM EDT
Please record any mistakes here, so I can find them fast. Thanks.

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Hopefully he can also assist them with lawsuits.
Authored by: BlueSmurf on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT
I wish Mr. Sirotin the best of luck. I hope he realizes that the clients he
helps migrate off of SCO are more likely to be sued. And, as a former SCO
employee his chances of being sued will probably go up. But in his favor the
European courts appear to be better able to handle frivolous lawsuits than the

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: M X S on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:43 PM EDT
I noticed something interesting, I followed the link to SCO Poland from the article on CRN Polska to see if anything was there and had a good laugh.

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Authored by: Jude on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:47 PM EDT
I wish you the best of luck, Mr. Sirotin. I guess it's a relief having a
product people might actually buy for a change.

I'll bet Darl is foaming at the mouth over this. Maybe the Lindon animal
control officer will haul him away and put him in a cage for observation.

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  • More calm - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:39 PM EDT
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT
I hope this is the start of a trend for SCO's overseas offices. Can't wait to
hear Darl's comment on this.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:55 PM EDT
Whats with the toilet seat? Is someone playing a joke on them with that? I
laughed so hard when I saw it.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 08:58 PM EDT
check out the website of the polish division at

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: morven24 on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:08 PM EDT
I posted this URL in another article thread but since it has details of another escapee from the Lindon organisation I thought it more relevant here. He is also heading up sales of Linux (Indian Desktop and Server Linux) the Hyderabad based company has recently appointed ex-SCO employee Manojit Majumdar to spearhead its sales effort in the country.

Perhaps DMcB or BS will be next. Sales reps in Antartica has a nice ring to it. Selling Scosource Licences to the Natives.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT
anyone notice sco is under $5 today, I seriously hope IBM has its day in court
before SCOldera calapses.

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When do we see this ?
Authored by: tizan on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT
Title of article:
DMcB is sacked by SCO and open his own company selling Linux products.

tizan: What's the point of knowledge if you don't pass it on. Its like storing
all your data on a 1-bit write only memory !

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URL Question and Welcome to F/OSS Alexander Sirotin.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:51 PM EDT
Anyone possibly have a URL to Luxos site if it exists?

Alexander Sirotin, we welcome you to the F/OSS family.
Here, our commitment (unlike others) is to our tight-
knit group of developers and users.

</speculation on>
Does anyone else feel like SCO is more or less cleaning
house of the more not-so-like-Darl-minded employees under
the cover of layoffs?
</speculation off>

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Former Manager Opens Linux Business and SCO Shuts Down Polish Office
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:55 PM EDT
"Dotychczasowy country manager, Alexander Sirotin, odszed&#322; z firmy
i za&#322;o&#380;y&#322; w&#322;asn&#261;"

In essence (as I understand ) it may indicate that after he left SCO, they did
not have a choice but to close the branch (perhaps nobody wanted to be employed
by this organization). In Poland Linux traditions are very strong and the
installed Linux base is one of the highest in the world.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Tomas on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:56 PM EDT
Best of luck, Mr. Sirotin!

(ASIDE: Those machine translations are probably quite accurate - they sound just
like the English my grandfather used, and he was from Poland...)


Engineer (ret.)
"Friends don't let friends use Microsoft."

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: trevmar on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT
During my interview with Chris Sontag he mentioned that SCO had been sued in
Poland (as of June 2003). To what extent was the closure of the Polish office
associated with this Polish court action? Was the action continuing at the
closure of the SCO office? Was a ruling imminent?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 10:19 PM EDT
Trading at 4.999 : info from Yahoo! Finance : 4:00pm May 10th

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Office closed end of April; Poland joined EU May 1
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 10:28 PM EDT
Poland and 9 other countries, mostly in Eastern Europe, joined the European
Union at the beginning of May. Therefore it will be easier for the Western
Europe offices to handle their Eastern European accounts. So I don't see much
significance in that part of the story. But it is still amusing to see that he
went over to the arch-enemy.

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Off the subject a bit: Linux not the only OS religion?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 10:29 PM EDT
Look at a snipet from MSDN's Channel 9 (

"... Jeremy Mazner, technical evangelist at Microsoft ..."

And Linux critics say linux is too religious because they have evangelists? Well
Microsoft has them too.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 10:37 PM EDT
According to SCO's web site, the Polish office
is still unconquered. See

Must be more planted lies by the linux
zealots ... :)

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Does this mean one less customer, reseller or developer?
Authored by: AntiFUD on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 11:12 PM EDT
I wonder?

According to their April 16, 2004 press release, SCO has:

The SCO Group (NASDAQ: SCOX) helps millions of customers in more than 82 countries to grow their businesses everyday. Headquartered in Lindon, Utah, SCO has a worldwide network of more than 11,000 resellers and 4,000 developers. SCO Global Services provides reliable localized support and services to partners and customers. For more information on SCO products and services, visit

Are they going to reduce any of these numbers in future press releases?

I guess that if you believe that you own every flavor of Unix then it may just be possible that there are a potential 'millions' of customers that SCO could sue.

I must admit that I have a lot of trouble believing that they help millions of customers in 82 countries everyday.

IANAL - but I like the attribute 'Esquire'.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: midav on Monday, May 10 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT
Human translation tid=20&tid=85

Only until the end of the April, lived SCO's quarters in Poland, that coordinated distribution in Eastern Europe.

Former country manager Alexander Sirotin left the company and founded his own, caled LUXOS ( Linux and UniX OS.) SCO will be represented in our region by Robert Duic and Lubomir Mitanek from quarters located in Hamburg (Germany) (regional director Hans Bayer.)

Luxos will be concentrating on distribution of the system software (SuSE Linux) and offer help in migration from SCO sofware based systems on SuSE Linux.

SCO Group closed at the end of the April their bureau in Warsaw, Poland which was responsible for the distribution of the SCO products in the Eastern Europe.

Former country manager left the company and founded his own, caled LUXOS ( Linux and UniX OS.)

Luxos will be concentrating on distribution of the system software (SuSE Linux) and offer help in migration from SCO sofware based systems on SuSE Linux.

Unfortunately, three other sites presently do not respond and I wish I would have started with NetWorld.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 12:05 AM EDT
CRN translation:

SCO closed Polish office

May 5th, 2004

SCO closed their Polish office responsible for sales in eastern Europe at the
end of April. Former "country manager" Alexander Sirotin left the
company and founded his own - LUXOS (Linux UniX Opeating Systems). SCO's
current regional [for eastern Europe] representatives are Robert Duic and
Lubomir Mitanek from central office in Bad Homburg (Germany) [couldn't be in
Good Homburg, eh? ;)]. Regional director is Hans Bayer. Luxos will concentrate
on selling systems equipped with SuSE Linux, and is currently offering migration
services from SCO to SuSE.


SCO without a Polish office

May 6th, 2004

As a result of "restructuring of european sales outlets" SCO Group
closed their Warsaw office responsible for Eastern European sales at the end of

Sales of Linux licenses were supposed to significantly help SCO Group's bottom
line. Anti-linux crusade however weakened their European sales, where open
source solutions are deeply rooted. SCO closed their office responsible for
central and eastern Europe as well as Scandinavia in the middle of 2003 that was
led by Greg Bogochwalski. Also, the number of employees in Warsaw's office was
reduced, and finished operations in April. Plans to work with Optimus [kinda
like Polish Dell ;)] were unsuccesful.

Robert Duic and Lubomir Mitanek will now be responsible for sales in our region,
working from their office in Germany.

Magazine CRN reports that Alexander Sirotin, former manger of SCO's Warsaw
office, already founded a new company providing services based on SuSE Linux.

Text in [] is mine.

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 12:34 AM EDT
Be interesting to contact Alexander Sirotin and get his take on the situation,
or even on his limitations due to NDAs.

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Russian Blepp Interviews
Authored by: reuben on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 01:04 AM EDT

This story inspired me to look for more international sources on SCO...

It seems that Gregory Blepp has given quite a few interviews in different European countries this year. He made an appearance at a meeting in Kiev in January and gave an interview to ITware - the content basically matches up with other interviews by him, and borrows greatly from public statements by Darl McBride. Links follow with some short quotes.

ITware article about the conference and SCO: "Are Ukrainian Linux users threatened with danger?," January 23, 2004.
ITware interview with Blepp: "SCO vs. Linux?," January 28, 2004.

Blepp explicitly says that more than 1.5 lines in the Linux kernel are taken from UNIX System V. (In the other interviews I've seen, he referred to 1.5 million lines vaguely "affected.")

Currently, among about 5.5 million lines of code in the Linux kernel, our experts have uncovered more than 1.5 million lines from UNIX System V. At that, a part of the code is duplicated "one-for-one," a part is copied with the removal of comments about authors' rights, and a part is borrowed in the form of methods, structures, and sequences"

Here is one that seems to fit in with many peoples' fears that SCO, together with the RIAA and others, is intended to oppose and eliminate all free alternatives to their proprietary products. If it has worth, somebody has to fence it off and put in a tollbooth. Value == profit - that's the very clear equivocation.

In that way, the biggest problem in the sphere of intellectual property today is that it's habitually and commonly identified in people's minds with something devoid of all value. We have to show people that musical, cinematographic, literary, and other works, just like programming products, do have value - and that paying for their use is unavoidable.

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"Bad Language"
Authored by: JeR on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 02:05 AM EDT
If you still can't get enough of TSG's failing Unix business worded in pretty awful English, head on over to the Benelux website's Events page:

SCO employees are available during this day to answer your questions.

Hopefully they won't try their English on the poor unsuspecting visitors...

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 03:11 AM EDT
Would this move count as evidence for IBM/RedHat/Novell? If anything, it tells
me that SCO's claims are totally meritless.

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Authored by: mobrien_12 on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 03:30 AM EDT
Alexander Sirotin, former Manager of the Polish SCOG office, apparenty feels
SCOG's claims do not have enough merit to keep him from starting a Linux

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Posted Anon. For Obvious Reasons
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 03:38 AM EDT
I work for an Eastern European bank and we used to be an SCO site.

The irony of this story is wonderful. Eighteen months ago we spent a fortune
migrating all of our banking applications from SCO UNIX to AIX and SuSE Linux. A
tribe of IBM consultants were camped out in one of our offices for weeks.

Our last SCO server went in the trash months ago and the new systems are rock
solid. Not having to worry about litigation issues helps as well <ggg>

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Former SCO Manager Opens Linux Business: but is he off their payroll?
Authored by: BJ on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 03:59 AM EDT
Isn't this in line with SCO's assertion that
they own linux?


|Encountered Proprietary Standard and/or Patented Protocol.
|Choose method of payment

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SCO Winding down generally
Authored by: jmc on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 04:50 AM EDT

They don't really seem to be too quick to update their websites - the UK site has still got the slides for the "Partner Briefings" at the end of last year here.

The first one, "Company Update" is particularly amusing now the share price has sunk below $5, the market cap below $75M and the Baystar investment in question to say the least.

They haven't sent any bumpf out in the UK since November that I've seen, not even a Linux Love Letter.

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OT(?) from Poland: SW patents conference.
Authored by: Azriel on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 06:07 AM EDT
ISOC and FFII-PL have held a conference on SW patents at Polish Sejm (building
which houses our Parliament). Your humble servant has attended.

A brief summary of what has been said, has already been posted by FFII's Sylvain

Some thoughts by yours truly (probably more to come unless I get booed with a

- no representatives of Polish government have appeared to speak out on our
nation's position in the Council.

The resolution that we voted on was in no small part due to this fact. We are
trying to make it as hard as it can get for the government to ignore our point
of view.

This is likely due to at least the following: at present Polish government faces
considerable opposition at our own Parliament. A few months ago the cornerstone
of socialdemocrats coalition has splintered into two parties: Democratic Left
Alliance (SLD) and Polish Social Democracy (SDPL). This was foreshadowed by a
number of scandals within the government and SLD - mostly cases of corruption
and nepotism and ties between business and the government. As a result, the
government no longer enjoys majority in the parliament. Opposition (the SDPL
splinter somewhat neutral in this regard) is busy jockeying for early elections
and government supporters are busy trying to hold their act together.

- the participants were mostly young people (I think LUG and Internet Society
members, a lot of students and graduates) of IT background. There were some
representatives for the enterprises (Novell PL was the largest company

- media coverage: one radio, some newspaper journalists, no TV.

As of today's morning, I found NO mention of the conference in the Polish media
(have yet to read the newspapers front to back cover).

- RMS held a very coherent speech on patents as a deterrent and not a
protection. As far as I can tell, he did not allude to GNU philosophy/ free
software at all (except for the remark on free software developers being
unavoidably excluded from any per-copy patent licensing) in his speech. He cited
JPEG and encryption patents as examples of patents that stall(ed) program
development and economic activity.

He quoted pharmaceuticals as an example of industry which needs some patent
regulation (to allow for R&D) and described a model in which software
industry is on the opposite pole (in pharma sector, a single drug = a single
invention/process ; in SW sector a single program = multitude of ideas (not
inventions) )

- the 4 votes against the resolution came from a delegation of patent lawyers,
who mostly held to themselves at the conference.

Their de facto spokesman has asked RMS about the benefits of patents in a very
mangled English. RMS, in his typical manner, replied that the question proves
that they did not listen (as he went on and on for an hour on why he thinks that
patents do not benefit most enterprises).

The question has been rephrased (without change of meaning), twice. RMS repeated
his answer, looking more and more perplexed every time. Then the group mumbles
among themselves, smiling with no small dose of irony (something along the lines
"man cannot be reasoned with").

When the resolution gets voted on (after the break and press conference), they
all vote against and promptly exit. They did not even listen to what business
representatives had to say.

Here is the full programme:
Beginning: 11:00

* Session I - chairmen: Laurence Vandewalle and Lukasz Jachowicz
o 11.00-11.10 Opening speeches by senator Marek Balicki (Polish
Socialdemocrats) and Magda Mosiewicz (Polish Greens)
o 11.10-11.20 Why are we interested in patents (Lukasz Jachowicz)
o 11.20-11.40 Does Europe need to follow US ? (Reinier Bakels)
o 11.40-11:50 Comparison of legislation: propositions of the Council
and the Parliament (Hartmut Pilch, president of FFII)
o 11.50-12.50 Influence of patents on software development (Richard
o 12.50-13.10 Official stance of Polish government in the EU Council.
Its status in accord with National Strategy of Free Software Development.

* Break
o 13:10 - press conference

* Sesja II - chairmen: Piotr Waglowski and Szymon Blaszczyk
o 14.00-14.40 Economical rationale of patents, opinions of SMEs
o 14.40-14.50 Further stages of European legislative process, second
reading (Laurence Vanderwalle)
o 14.50-15.30 Opinions of political parties, election committees for
European Parliament
o 15.30-16.00 What next? - opinions of citizen groups, IT societies
and organizations

Summary: 16:00

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Authored by: dodger on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 06:51 AM EDT
HP sues Gateway for patent violation.
Gateway sues HP for patent violation.

Get a lawyer. Sue somebody. Try to win.

Lawyers get rich.
It's the lawyers that are the new economy,
not the patent suits.

We need the founding fathers. Jefferson said that a revolution was needed every
5 years to keep the system honest. In 1976 the Daughters of the American
Revolution prevented Jefferson's statement from being on display on a float in
Santa Barbara, because it was 'unamerican'.


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Another SCO defection to a Linux company, this time in India
Authored by: SpinyNorman on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:01 AM EDT
In an article entitled "Linux for Everyone: From Servers to Desktops"
CXOToday ( indicates that a former SCO employee is now
heading up sales for an Indian distro, Everyone's Linux

I have not been successful in finding out in what capacity the person mentioned
in the article worked while at SCO. It's amusing to see former SCO'ers going to
work for Linux companies :^)

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SCO Shuts Down Polish Office; Former Manager Opens Linux Business
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:01 AM EDT
This is just beautiful:

<a href=""></a>

Taken directly from the CRN link.

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Strong message between the lines
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 09:24 AM EDT
International research and development, that's the open source home turf.

Hidden message: C'mon, make our day! Weasel away anywhere, we'll find your hiding rock and lift it away.

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OT: Is Novell/SCOG hearing today
Authored by: QTlurker on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 10:45 AM EDT

Is the "Novell-SCO Hearing on Motions to Remand/Dismiss Set for May 11" still on?

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OT: M$ still trying to kill Lindows
Authored by: jmc on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 12:10 PM EDT

See here< /a>.

If the word "Windows" is owned by M$ I wonder what the holes in the wall with glass in should now be called?

Do you think "Gates" would be acceptable?

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Same will happen elsewhere
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 12:21 PM EDT
I have to post anonymous, sorry for that. But if I am not mistaken, the same
thing will hapen in another European country. The former manager of this
country, will open up a Linux business as well. I can tell you which country.

[ Reply to This | # ]

    OT: Hearing
    Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 11 2004 @ 12:41 PM EDT
    Any idea when we will hear something from the hearing today?

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    glad that Alexander followed my advice :)
    Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 13 2004 @ 05:32 AM EDT
    Heh. I proposed Alexander that he abandons SCO some year and a half ago or so
    in Kiev, Ukraine -- when we got acquainted earlier he was ...let me find the
    visit card... CIS Country Manager. Those were peaceful times still.

    But later, after he conducted SCO's position regarding Linux IP at one of local
    IT expos (happened to be there and add an afterword "sorry Alexander but
    what you've just told isn't truth even if it's not yours") we've had a mail
    conversation roughly like this: "hmmm... don't you feel like the ship's
    drowning? maybe find a better secured job?" -- "do you propose
    somthing?" -- "not yet, but see yourself".

    (things changed since then when I was working for a completely unrelated company
    -- now we're bringing up the startup to provide Linux support in Ukraine,

    So glad to see he's another person to follow the advice :)

    Michael `gvy` Shigorin
    mike osdn org ua

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