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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand in SCO v. Novell - as text
Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 07:43 AM EDT

Here is SCO's Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion to Remand as text, thanks to inode_buddha, Harry Clayton, grouch, who transcribed it and did the HTML, and moogy, who coordinated the project. By the way, I am told inode_buddha used vi, Harry used emacs, and grouch used mcedit, so this project must have required some sort of truce. It even has footnotes coded so you can jump back and forth between the text and the footnotes, and you don't lose your place. Thank you so much.

******************************************************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)

Stephen N. Zack (pro hac vice)
Mark R. Clements (7172) Mark J. Heise (pro hac vice)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C. BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER, LLP
[address] [address]

Attorneys for Plaintiff The SCO Group, Inc.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH

THE SCO GROUP, INC.
a Delaware Corporation,

Plaintiff,

vs.

NOVELL, INC., a Delaware corporation,

Defendant

PLAINTIFF'S REPLY
MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF
MOTION TO REMAND

Civil No.: 2:04CV00139
Judge Dale A. Kimball

Plaintiff The SCO Group ("SCO") respectfully submits this Reply Memorandum in Support of Motion to Remand.

INTRODUCTION

As set forth in SCO's Opening Memorandum, SCO is not opposed to having its claim heard in federal court. SCO filed its Motion to Remand because Defendant Novell, Inc. ("Novell") has improperly removed this case, claiming that SCO's slander of title claim raises a "substantial issue of interpretation of the Copyright Act because the Court will be required to consider the parties' Asset Purchase Agreement as amended to determine the extent of the copyrights transferred from Novell to SCO. Contrary to Novell's claim, however, no such "substantial issue" is presented here. Instead, it is well-established that cases involving the interpretation of contracts that transfer copyrights present state law issues to be determined in state court. Novell has failed to meet its burden of establishing federal jurisdiction on federal question grounds under 28 U.S.C. § 1331. This case should be remanded.

ARGUMENT

In its Opposition Memorandum, Novell claims this case "arises under" the Copyright Act because Section 204(a) of the Copyright Act provides that copyrights may only be transferred by a written instrument, note or memorandum signed by both parties, and this Court must therefore consider the Copyright Act in determining whether the parties' Asset Purchase Agreement as amended is a written instrument, note or memorandum signed by both parties. Novell's position on removal is contrary to well-established law and the facts of this case.

SCO has asserted a state law slander of title claim against Novell. SCO alleges in its Complaint that it is the sole owner of copyrights to UNIX System V source code and related materials and that Novell, contrary to its prior public statements, has engaged in a slanderous campaign to damage SCO's title to its copyrights by claiming that it and not SCO owns the UNIX copyrights. The fact that Novell now claims in defense that the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended is somehow unclear does not make this a copyright case and does not change the fact that SCO owns the UNIX copyrights.

I. NOVELL'S PURPORTED BASIS FOR REMOVAL CONTRADICTS WELL-
ESTABLISHED LAW.

As set forth in SCO's Opening Memorandum, courts have repeatedly rejected the very same claim for removal Novell makes in this case. See, e.g., Dolch v. United California Bank, 702 F.2d 178, 180 (9th Cir. 1983) affirming dismissal of a contract claim for lack of federal question jurisdiction even though it involved copyrights, as "federal courts have consistently dismissed complaints in copyright cases that present only questions of contract law")(emphasis added).[1] In Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc. 314 F.3d 42, 46 (2d Cir. 2002), the principal case upon which Novell relies to support removal under section 204(a) of the Copyright Act, the Second Circuit made clear that where a "case concerns a dispute as to ownership of a copyright, and the issue of ownership turns on the interpretation of a contract, the case presents only a state law issue, and unless the complaint asserts a remedy expressly granted by the Copyright Act, federal jurisdiction is lacking."

SCO's Complaint alleges a state law claim for slander of title and seeks a remedy under state law. Although Novell's purported defense requests that the Court consider the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended, SCO does not seek a remedy expressly granted by the Copyright Act. The Asset Purchase Agreement as amended clearly transferred the copyrights at issue to SCO, as Novell has previously and repeatedly admitted. This case requires a court to determine whether Novell has slandered SCO's ownership of its intellectual property under state law. The case should be remanded to state court.

II. NOVELL'S RELIANCE ON THE HOLDING IN JASPER IS MISPLACED.

As stated, Novell, in its attempt to ignore well-established law and draw the court into an analysis of the Asset Purchase Agreement as opposed to SCO's allegations of Novell's slanderous conduct, relies extensively on the holding in Jasper to support its claim for removal. [2] But as the Second Circuit specifically held, Jasper "is the rare contract interpretation case that does present a substantial issue" (sic) under the Copyright Act. Id. at 47. The substantial issue in Jasper was whether an agreement among two parties assigning copyrights from one to the other was valid where a third party owned some of the previously assigned copyrights and only agreed to the assignment by an addendum executed after the fact. Id.[3] In holding that the after the fact addendum complied with section 204(a), the court noted that the third party had signed the agreement and "there is no risk whatever that an unsuspecting copyright owner has been induced to sign a document that does not clearly indicate an assignment of copyright interests." Id. See also Imperial Residential Design, Inc. v. The Palms Development Group, Inc. 70 F.3d 96, 99 (11th Cir. 1995) (holding that "the chief purpose" of section 204(a) is to "resolve disputes between copyright holders and transferees and protect copyright holders from persons mistakenly or fraudulently claiming oral licenses or copyright ownership").

In this case there are only two parties to the agreement and it is undisputed that both parties negotiated and signed the Asset Purchase Agreement and addendum thereto. Novell does not and cannot in good faith claim that the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended was the product of fraud. It does not raise a "rare" or even significant issue under section 204(a). The fact that Novell now claims (for the first time after nearly eight years) that the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended is somehow unclear as to exactly which copyrights were transferred to SCO clearly does not raise a question as to whether the transfer was fraudulent.

In its Opposition Memorandum, Novell distorts section 204(a)'s writing requirement in an attempt to create a "federal law question" in this case. But as the Ninth Circuit has held in a leading case on the subject, "[t]he [§204(a)] rule is really quite simple: If the copyright holder agrees to transfer ownership to another party, that party must get the copyright holder to sign a piece of paper saying so. It doesn't have to be the Magna Charta; a one-line pro-forma statement will do." Effects Associates, Inc. v. Cohen, 908 F.2.d 555, 557 (1990). "No magic words must be included in a document to satisfy § 204(a)." Radio Television Espanola S.A. v. New World Entertainment, LTD., 183 F.3d 922, 927 (9th Cir. 1999). Courts have held that the document need not even include the word "copyright" to constitute a valid transfer. See, eg., Schiller & Schmidt v. Nordisco Corporation, 969 F.2d 410, 413 (7th Cir.1992). "When reviewing the transfer of copyright ownership, courts interpret the instruments of conveyance liberally, especially when no third parties will be harmed." The Philadelphia Eagles Football Club, Inc. v. City of Philadelphia, 823 A.2d 108,125 n. 25 (Pa.2003), citing Paul Goldstein, Copyright ss 4.5.1 (2d ed. 2000 & 2002 Supp.). For this reason, the Second Circuit stated in Jasper that "[i]n most cases, there will be no doubt that the contract is a section 204(a) writing, and the only substantial issue will be contract interpretation." 314 F.3d at 47 (emphasis added).[4]

Not only is there "no doubt" that the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended is a "writing", but before this litigation was commenced, Novell issued a press release officially acknowledging that Amendment 2 to the Asset Purchase Agreement transferred UNIX copyrights to SCO in 1996:

In a May 28th letter to SCO, Novell challenged SCO's claims to Unix patent and copyright ownership.... Amendment #2 was sent to Novell last night by SCO. To Novell's knowledge, this amendment is not present in Novell's files. The amendment appears to support SCO's claim that ownership of certain copyrights for UNIX did transfer to SCO in 1996.

[Exhibit 1, Novell Press Release dated June 6, 2003 (emphasis added).] [5] Subsequently for purpose of this litigation, Novell has completely changed position and made its new lawyer generated claim in an attempt to change the focus of the lawsuit and seek federal court jurisdiction. Contrary to what Novell now claims before this court, its June 6th press release confirms that Amendment 2, in fact, transferred copyrights to SCO. Nothing further needed to be done. Amendment 2 was not a mere agreement to transfer copyrights in the future upon some unstated and unknown requirement for SCO to prove that it needed the copyrights. Novell's change of position in its court papers and more recent misrepresentations to the public that the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended did not transfer copyrights to SCO is wrong as a matter of law and fact. A change in position and strategy during litigation cannot be the basis for creating a "substantial issue" under section 204(a) of the Copyright Act.

Finally, as set forth in SCO's Opening Memorandum, Jasper is further distinguishable from this case because the plaintiff in Jasper brought its claim under the Copyright Act. Id. at 46-47. As the Tenth Circuit has held "[i]t is for the plaintiffs to design their case as one arising under federal law or not, and it is not within the power of the defendants to change the character of plaintiffs' case." Warner Bros. Records, Inc. v. R.A. Ridges Dist. Co., Inc., 475 F.2d 262, 264 (1973). The Second Circuit in Jasper emphasized this point with respect to section 204(a) of the Copyright Act, stating that while "almost every case involving contract interpretation . . . could be recharacterized as a case appropriate for a federal court simply by framing the issue to be whether the disputed contract qualified as a writing" as Novell has attempted to do here, the general rule that such cases belong in state court "cannot be obliterated by such gymnastics." 314 F.3d at 47. SCO alleges its slander of title claim under state law and seeks state law remedies. This case is nothing like the "rare" holding in Jasper and should be remanded to state court consistent with well-established law.

CONCLUSION

While SCO believes this Court can fully and properly address the issues raised in SCO's Complaint, this Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to do so. Novell has failed to meet its burden of establishing jurisdiction on federal question grounds under 28 U.S.C. § 1331, and this case should be remanded to the Third Judicial District Court for the State of Utah where it may proceed forward on the merits."

DATED this 7th day of April, 2004
By: [signature]
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
Brent O. Hatch
Mark R. Clements

BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise

Attorneys for Plaintiff


1. In its Opposition Memorandum, Novell quickly brushes off the numerous cases SCO cites in its Opening Memorandum that follow the general rule on jurisdiction, declaring the the cases did not raise a "substantial" enough question under section 204(a) to justify federal court jurisdiction. [See Def.'s Opp. Mem. at 8.] To the contrary, the cases SCO cites directly address and dismiss the same basis for removal Novell asserts in this case.
2. Novell claims in its Opposition Memorandum that Jasper is the "leading case on federal jurisdiction in copyright ownership disputes." [Def.'s Opp. Mem. at 1 (emphasis added).] Novell, however, fails to cite a single case following the holding in Jasper. The fact is, there are none. For the reasons set forth in SCO's Opening Memorandum and the additional reasons set forth below, the "rare" holding in Jasper does not apply in this case to defeat the well-accepted rule that disputes involving a contract for the transfer of copyrights involve state law issues to be litigated in state court absent a separate basis for federal jurisdiction.
3. Novell, consistent with its overall briefing style, simply declares in its Opposition Memorandum that "the existence of the third party, however, played no part in the court's analysis." [Def.'s Opp. Mem. at 6.] That is simply untrue. The existence of the third party was the entire basis of the court's analysis and the only significant factor the court addressed in its opinion.
4. As the holding in Jasper makes clear, the fact that a contract involves the transfer of copyrights and thus may touch on section 204(a) of the Copyright Act does not raise a substantial copyright issue and does not lead to federal question jurisdiction. Indeed, state court's routinely consider section 204(a) of the Copyright Act in addressing contracts transferring copyrights. See, e.g., Bernstein v. Glavin, 725 N.E.2d 455 (Ind. Ct. App. 2000) (addressing section 204(a) of the Copyright Act); Krapp v. McCarthy, 698 N.E.2d 1049 (Ohio Ct. App. 1997) (same); The Philadelphia Eagles Football Club, Inc. v. City of Philadelphia, 823 A.2d 108, 125 n. 25 (Pa. 2003) (same).
5. Novell has not withdrawn this press release or publicly stated that the release is incorrect.


CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

I HEREBY CERTIFY that on this 7th day of April, 2004 I caused to be mailed a true and correct copy of the foregoing via first class U.S. Mail, postage prepaid, to the following:

Thomas R. Karrenberg
John P. Mullen
Heather M. Sneddon
ANDERSON & KERRENBERG
[address]

Paul Goldstein
[address]

Michael A. Jacobs
Matthew I. Kreeger
MORRISON & FOERSTER
[address]

[signature]


  


SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand in SCO v. Novell - as text | 394 comments | Create New Account
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Corrections Here please
Authored by: PJ on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 07:45 AM EDT
Please put typos and other corrections here. Thanks.

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Links and Off Topic posts here
Authored by: Harry Clayton on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 07:50 AM EDT
Links and Off Topic posts here please.

Thank you.

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Linux: There is no infringing code or Manuals.

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Relying on a Press Release?
Authored by: snorpus on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 08:04 AM EDT
In a May 28th letter to SCO, Novell challenged SCO's claims to Unix patent and copyright ownership.... Amendment #2 was sent to Novell last night by SCO. To Novell's knowledge, this amendment is not present in Novell's files. The amendment appears to support SCO's claim that ownership of certain copyrights for UNIX did transfer to SCO in 1996. (Emphasis in original)

Is SCO basing its response on a Novell Press Release? And wouldn't appears to be a bit of a qualification, even then?

Is it just me, or does the quality of this filing seem a bit higher than usual for SCO?

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Montani Semper Liberi

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: Steve Martin on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 08:29 AM EDT

In its Opposition Memorandum, Novell claims this case "arises under" the Copyright Act because Section 204(a) of the Copyright Act provides that copyrights may only be transferred by a written instrument, note or memorandum signed by both parties, and this Court must therefore consider the Copyright Act in determining whether the parties' Asset Purchase Agreement as amended is a written instrument, note or memorandum signed by both parties.

TSG seems to be glossing over some stuff here... of course the APA is "a written instrument" ... "signed by both parties". That describes a contract. What TSG hopes the judge doesn't notice is that this "written instrument signed by both parties" fails on other points that they don't bother to mention here, points that (probably) will disqualify it as an instrument of copyright transfer.

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"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night"

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vi, emacs, mcedit
Authored by: Woad_Warrior on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 08:45 AM EDT
what? no one used notepad?

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: Steve Martin on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 08:49 AM EDT

Two points come to mind when reading the "Argument" section:

Although Novell's purported defense requests that the Court consider the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended, SCO does not seek a remedy expressly granted by the Copyright Act.

Recall TSG's Prayer for Relief:

3. For a preliminary and permanent injunction (a) requiring Novell to assign to SCO any and all copyrights Novell has registered in UNIX and UnixWare;

Doesn't the fact that TSG is asking the Court to transfer copyright registrations put this squarely under Copyright Act requirements?

And further:

The Asset Purchase Agreement as amended clearly transferred the copyrights at issue to SCO, as Novell has previously and repeatedly admitted.

IANAL, but with this sentence, didn't TSG expressly decide the very issue Novell is asking to have decided? Aren't TSG taking it on themselves to be the judge at this point? How likely is Judge Kimball to be amused by this?

And finally:

This case requires a court to determine whether Novell has slandered SCO's ownership of its intellectual property under state law. The case should be remanded to state court.

As has been described here on Groklaw, to find that Novell slandered TSG's title in its "intellectual property" (which for that matter begs the question of whether TSG's claim as given here is specific enough to warrant a judgment), one of the requirements is that Novell's statement (claiming that they own the copyrights) be shown to be false. This means that it must be proven that Novell in fact does not own the copyrights in question, which in turn means that the ownership of the copyrights must be established, which makes it a Federal issue.

It certainly seems to me that Judge Kimball should keep this case in front of him.

---
"When I say something, I put my name next to it." -- Isaac Jaffee, "Sports Night"

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Where's the beef? No transfer of copyrights from oldSCO/Tarantella either? WHY NOT?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 08:50 AM EDT
Where is the chain of ownership? Was there ever a transfer document of these
copyrights from oldSCO (now Tarantella) to Caldera/newSCO?

Where is copyright transfer from oldSCO (now Tarantella) to Caldera (now SCO),
doesn't exist? There needs to be one for this deal too! Caldera/newSCO has
yet to give evidence of such a transfer! They don't appear to have this piece of
paper either!

Didn't the deal with oldSCO (now Tarantella) also have to specificly NAME
exactly what copyrights were being transfered?

Wasn't oldSCO (now Tarantella) transfer of UNIX business, JUST the book of
clients and that part of the business. Ransom Love at the time was quoted as not
knowing what he got in the deal. I'll bet if asked, that Ransom LOVE would
testify that he did not make sure that the copyrights were included in the deal
at the time BECAUSE HE DIDN'T CARE... BECAUSE THE INTENT OF THE DEAL AT THE TIME
WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT than all that! At least Ransom Love didn't care to much
about such details according to an interview with him on the floor of a SCO
annual dog and pony show, around the time of the oldSCO/Tarantella - Caldera
deal. Nothing what specified in that deal either. AND since, all this who owns
what has boiled over... there still is no copyright transfer document from
oldSCO (now Tarantella) that is SPECIFIC as to what copyrights that oldSCO
passed along with the deal... NONE! THAT DOCUMENT DOES NOT EXIST EITHER!

It would be dangerous for oldSCO (now Tarantella) to even go down that road
right now... oldSCO/Tarantella would be in deep do-do if they did try to do it
(then, or now)! Why? Because oldSCO (now Tarantella) never owned the copyrights
at the time, AND I bet they IN FACT DID KNOW that they didn't have proof of
actual transfer of em or own em...AT THAT TIME! IF oldSCO/Tarantella did own
anything, then they would have legally transfered them in the deal with
Caldera/newSCO! Don't you think!

OldSCO (now Tarantella) sold Caldera (now new SCO) a DEAD HORSE! Ransom Love
didn't care about the horse - he wanted the trappings, the client list, etc that
came with the horse! That was the intent. The devil is in the details!

Where is the beef?



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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 09:30 AM EDT
"SCO has asserted a state law slander of title claim against Novell. SCO
alleges in its Complaint that it is the sole owner of copyrights to UNIX System
V source code and related materials and that Novell, contrary to its prior
public statements, has engaged in a slanderous campaign to damage SCO's title to
its copyrights by claiming that it and not SCO owns the UNIX copyrights. The
fact that Novell now claims in defense that the Asset Purchase Agreement as
amended is somehow unclear does not make this a copyright case and does not
change the fact that SCO owns the UNIX copyrights." From SCOG's pleading.

SCOG's assertion that it owns "the UNIX copyrights" is an assertion
without proof. Assertions without proof cannot and should not be treated as
statements of fact.

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offtopic: TSG only UNIX 95 standard?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 09:39 AM EDT
having a peek at "The Open group" it is funny
to note that the products "UnixWare", "SCO UnixWare" (for
IA-32 or compatible) seems to be only certified for the
UNIX 95 standard and "SCO OpenServer" for the UNIX 93
standard 8-)

Beeing busy with all those legal issues I guess it is
excusable that TSGs core products don't have a certification
for UNIX 03, but ?missing? the highlights of UNIX 98 below
is disappointing for the "owner" of "the" UNIX operating
system... (from http://www.opengroup.org:

"The UNIX 98 Product Standard is a significantly enhanced
version of the UNIX 95 Product Standard. The mandatory
enhancements include [...]

(1) Threads interfaces
(2) Multibyte Support Extension (MSE)
(3) Large File Support
(4) Dynamic Linking
(5) changes to remove hardware data-length dependencies
or restrictions, and
(6) Year 2000 changes.")

anybody knows wether TSGs products are at least compatible
with UNIX operating systems that conform to the UNIX 98
product standard (e.g. AIX5L, Solaris 9, Tru64 Unix V5.1A)?

Joerg

(dl1bku_at_gmx.de)

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 10:03 AM EDT
"As set forth in SCO's Opening Memorandum, courts have repeatedly rejected
the very same claim for removal Novell makes in this case. See, e.g., Dolch v.
United California Bank, 702 F.2d 178, 180 (9th Cir. 1983) affirming dismissal of
a contract claim for lack of federal question jurisdiction even though it
involved copyrights, as "federal courts have consistently dismissed
complaints in copyright cases that present only questions of contract
law")(emphasis added).[1]"

This case is a contract case, but it cannot be adjudicated properly through
contract law alone, because it requires a determination by a Federal judge to
make the determination that SCOG received its purported copyrights in a way that
is compliant with the US Copyrights Act - And it is at least my contention if
not Novell's that: (a) any transfer of copyrights would have to be consistent
with SCOG's need to run its proxy licensing business on behalf of Novell, so
Novell gets to veto any request for copyrights from SCOG that Novell feels is
not justified by the needs of the proxy licensing business; (b) the copyrights
transfer that SCOG alleges took place with Amendment 2 could never have taken
place, because it would have been done in violation of the provisions of the US
Copyrights Act. I would argue that had Old SCO made its case that it needed a
specific copyrights from Novell to conduct the proxy licensing business, then
Novell would have made sure to transfer the copyrights along with a letter
specifying the copyrights transferred as required by the Copyrights Act. In
short, Amendment 2 is too vague to be described as carrying a blanket agreement
to transfer Novell's copyrights and Amendment 2 by itself is not to be
considered as a mechanism for transferring copyrights, again because its wording
and is too vague and too imprecise to satisfy the requirements of the US
Copyrights Act.

"In Jasper v. Bovina Music, Inc. 314 F.3d 42, 46 (2d Cir. 2002), the
principal case upon which Novell relies to support removal under section 204(a)
of the Copyright Act, the Second Circuit made clear that where a "case
concerns a dispute as to ownership of a copyright, and the issue of owership
turns on the interpretation of a contract, the case presents only a state law
issue, and unless the complaint asserts a remedy expressly granted by the
Copyright Act, federal jurisdiction is lacking."

(1 The fact is that this case does not turn only the interpretation of a
contract and therefore does not present only a state law issue; (2) SCOG asked
that Novell's copyrights be assigned to SCOG - that should qualify as a remedy
granted by the US Copyrights Act.

"SCO's Complaint alleges a state law claim for slander of title and seeks a
remedy under state law. Although Novell's purported defense requests that the
Court consider the Asset Purchase Agreement as amended, SCO does not seek a
remedy expressly granted by the Copyright Act. The Asset Purchase Agreement as
amended clearly transferred the copyrights at issue to SCO, as Novell has
previously and repeatedly admitted. This case requires a court to determine
whether Novell has slandered SCO's ownership of its intellectual property under
state law. The case should be remanded to state court"

The sentence "The Asset Purchase Agreement as amended clearly transferred
the copyrights at issue to SCO, as Novell has previously and repeatedly
admitted" is otherwise known as putting words in Novell's mouth: the words
"clearly" and "admitted" as used in this paragraph amount to
exageration stretched to the point of lie.

In summary, my assessment is that SCOG utterly failed to refute Novell's
argumentation. SCOG may be getter better at B.S.in court, but the groklaw
community is getting better at seeing through it even faster.

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My ignorant analysis
Authored by: Jude on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 10:49 AM EDT
SCO is claiming Slander of Title on the basis of copyright transfers that it
says were *supposed* to happen, but which haven't actually happened yet.

It seems to me that SCO could make a plain old "contracts" case based
on an argument that Novell didn't fulfill a contractual obligation to transfer
the copyrights. If they won, and Novell subsequently transferred the
copyrights, then SCO would be able to claim Slander of Title if Novell continued
to claim SCO didn't have the copyrights.

However, federal law says an explicit instrument of transfer is required, and
the APA and amendments clearly do not satisfy this requirement.

My naive non-lawyer interpretation of this whole mess is that SCO *might* have a
contracts case if they *hadn't* claimed Slander of Title.

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OT-Nomination for Pulitzer
Authored by: icebarron on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 10:55 AM EDT
I would like to take an online poll. Would all here like to nominate PJ for the
pulitzer prize for news coverage of the legal issues behind copyrights, patents,
and trade secrets. I vote "YES".
Very few are the instances were I have been so well informed and I just can't
stop reading...I am hooked...

Thank you PJ, your work is without equal...

Dan

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vi vs. emacs
Authored by: ssavitzky on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 10:56 AM EDT
Not so much a truce as a long tradition of religious tolerance.

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The SCO method: open mouth, insert foot, pull trigger.

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Is This Relevant?
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 12:22 PM EDT
I found this going through California corporate records:
Corporation
RAL/SANTA CRUZ, INC., DOING BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS RAL/SANTA CRUZ OPERATIONS,
INC.
Number: C2322090 Date Filed: 12/7/2000 Status: forfeited
Jurisdiction: OREGON
Mailing Address
121 S W MORRISON ST STE 1000
PORTLAND, OR 97204
Agent for Service of Process
** RESIGNED ON 01/23/2004
http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2322090

Is this the SCO we know and love and if it is, does it mean anything that the
agent for service resigned this year?

Also here is something on the Trillian Project:
http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TrillianProject

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  • nope - Authored by: gdeinsta on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 12:27 PM EDT
SCO's *real* plan
Authored by: Jude on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 12:48 PM EDT
1) Get case remanded to state court

2) As soon as the case is in state court, they'll claim that a federal judge
remanded the case to state court, and therefore there is no issue of copyright
ownership.

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: grubber on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 12:54 PM EDT
This is a better document than the ones before, but Novell has already had a
field day picking apart what SCO forgets to address in their documents. They
didn't even touch a lot of Novell's key arguments. I can't wait to see the
response to this one.

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It is just not fair!
Authored by: Imnot on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 02:10 PM EDT
<Tinfoil Hat>
How in the world is a dishonest company supposed to earn revenue if the
Groklawyers keep de-FUDding everything?
</Tinfoil Hat>
Kind of reminds me of the scene in Prates of the Carribean where Jack is in the
brig of the Black Pearl.
"Stop blowing holes in my ship"

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 02:19 PM EDT
To Novell's knowledge, this amendment is not present in Novell's files. The amendment appears to support SCO's claim that ownership of certain copyrights for UNIX did transfer to SCO in 1996.

They cited the wrong date for this quote -- this was released on 6 June by Novell.

A change in position and strategy during litigation cannot be the basis for creating a "substantial issue" under section 204(a) of the Copyright Act.

This is clearly a distortion. Novell has been very consistent in their story, and all of the material cited is from before SCO's filing. to claim that Novell is changing their story "during litigation" is disingenuous at best.

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Totally wrong!?
Authored by: Vaino Vaher on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 02:22 PM EDT
Now that I read the above comments I realize that this lawsuit is entirely off!
If there is a dispute about the interpretation of the APA, it should be
Tarantella suing Novell. SCO can, in my opinion, only sue Tarantella (if they
sold SCO something that they never ovwned).
How on earth can newSCO sue Novell for slander? newSCO doesn't have any
first-hand knowlege of the deal between Tarantella and Novell. Why is the court
allowing this lawsuit at all?

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A sorry rehash
Authored by: codswallop on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT
It's hard to know wherre to begin.

1) SCO claim the issue in Jasper was that a third party was involved. There's nothing in the opinion to support this. In fact, it appears that the conveyance by later amendment was the issue. Putting in a footnote asserting otherwise doesn't change the facts.

Whether a conveyance can be confirmed later in writing has come up in other cases, so this is a logical extension. SCO's attempt to make a collage favorable to their case out of bits of Jasper in the last paragraph is a riot.

2) They say that Novell depend entirely on Jasper, but clearly Harms applies as well, and that has been cited in other cases. As for Jasper not being cited, it's 16 months old. Given how fast the courts work, a citation would be almost a miracle.

3) They avoid Novell's key specificity argument like a child with eyes shut who tiptoes past a darkened doorway. No monsters here!

4) They again abuse there cites. I'm to lazy to chase them all again, but they're distorting Effects. Effects was about a verbal agreement. Judge Kozinski's opinion is wonderful, but I supect the "magna Charta" paragraph is dicta. Schiller & Schmidt involves the form of a work for hire agreement. This is the relevant section of Radio Television Espanola:

[2] No magic words must be included in a document to satisfy S 204(a). Rather, the parties' intent as evidenced by the writing must demonstrate a transfer of the copyright. Valente-Kritzer, 881 F.2d at 775; accord 3 Melville B. Nimmer & David Nimmer, Nimmer on Copyright, S 10.03[A][2] at 10-37 ("As with all matters of contract law, the essence of the inquiry here is to effectuate the intent of the parties."). Section 204(a)'s "requirement is not unduly burdensome . . . . The rule is really quite simple: If the copyright holder agrees to transfer ownership to another party, that party must get the copyright holder to sign a piece of paper saying so. It doesn't have to be the Magna Carta; a one-line pro forma statement will do." Effects Assocs., 908 F.2d at 557. "The writing should also serve as a guidepost for the parties to resolve their disputes." Konigsberg, 16 F.3d at 357.
The Philadelphia Eagles Football Club, Inc. v. City of Philadelphia is a tax case. I haven't been able to get the text of the decison, but considering that it was about what portion of the team's revenues the city could tax, I doubt the relevance.

The Krapp case is interesting. I've only found a summary. The state declined to find breach of contract for an or conveyance of copyright. I suspect the reasoning was that the matter was so clear, that there was no federal issue. And since the claim was not federal, the state court could hear it. This differs from Effects where the claim is infringement. Indeed, the court remanded the infringement part of the case to federal court. I'd really like to read the decision. However, the case isn't of any use to SCO that I can see.

5) As P.J. points out, Imperial Residential Design actually argues against them.

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: Turin on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 03:03 PM EDT
Despite the obvious holes in SCO's case, this is the one where I believe they
have the greatest chance of prevailing. This assumes the issue eventually
becomes the interpretation of the APA. A picture of that document is sitting
next to the description of 'swiss cheese' in the encyclopedia.

One can't help but wonder if Ray Noorda engineered it that way.

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Typical SCO misrepresentation
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 03:29 PM EDT
Anyone following this fiaSCO can see very plainly through SCO's constant and blatent misrepresentations of any document or statement they can get ahold of.
For SCO, "The amendment appears to support SCO's claim..." clearly supports their claims in the Novell case, while "...irrevocable, perpetual and fully paid up..." is debatable in the IBM case.
SCO has no problem misrepresenting the United States Constitution to their own ends.
Their representations of their contracted rights are misrepresentations as well.

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Conflating a few facts with SCOX's fantasies
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT
The quality of the argument presented in this document seems on a level with an
undergraduate trying to BS his way through an essay question on an exam he did
not prepare for. Just for example, take this excerpt from the text that follows
the quote from the June 6, 2003 press release.

"Subsequently for purpose of this litigation, Novell has completely
changed position and made its new lawyer generated claim in an attempt to change
the focus of the lawsuit and seek federal court jurisdiciton. Contrary to what
Novell now claims before this court, its June 6th press release confirms that
Amendment 2, in fact, transferred copyrights to SCO. Nothing further needed to
be done. Amendment 2 was not a mere agreement to transfer copyrights in the
future upon some unstated and unknown requirement for SCO to prove that it
needed the copyrights. Novell's change of position in its court papers and more
recent misrpresentations to the public that the Asset Purchase Agreement as
amended did not transfer copyrights to SCO is wrong as a matter of law and fact.
A change in position and strategy during litigation cannot be the basis for
creating a "substantial issue" under section 204(a) of the Copyright
Act."

Here is what is missing:

1. So what if Novell changed their mind? Shouldn't they be allowed? The
previous quote clearly says Novell had only recieved a copy of the amendment the
night before their comment. SCOX has not shown that the position Novell takes in
the press release is their final and considered legal position.

2. Completely changed? Care to elaborate on that? I don't see a complete
change, maybe they should take a little more effort to convince me.

3. Even if we make the leap that the press release was an affirmation that
some copyrights were transfered -- what copyrights are SCOX talking about?
Novell said the amendment appears to refer to certain copyrights. That could be
Unixware, manuals, advertising brochures, but not necessarily the copyrights
that are the subject of the slander of title. I this argument is to have any
teeth SCOX has to show they are referring to the same copyrights.

4. OK so SCOX thinks it is important that Novell didn't change its position
on the copyright transfer until the court case. Where is the proof of that. All
we are given is a single press release statement that doesn't even say exactly
what SCOX is trying claim it does. Don't we need a pattern of similar statements
leading right up to SCOX filing the law suit? (Apparantly SCOX thinks it is
enough to describe the quote from the press release as "officially
acknowledging that Amendment 2 to the Asset Purchase Agreement transferred UNIX
copyrights to SCO in 1996".)

5. SCOX says Novell can't change their position during litigation -- why not?
Don't they have to give a reason. Maybe there is and maybe the judge knows it
but on the face of it this seems like SCOX wishful thinking. How about a
citation to something to support this statement?

These are just a few things that show up without thinking too hard. I really
wonder if this is the quality of the argments that the SCOX lawyers always
present or if is just the best they can do with this particular case. Compare
this argument to what was in the DC's memorandum supporting dismissal. DC went
to the level of getting out the dictionary to leave no doubt that the words
meant what they said they meant. My take on this SCOX filing is that it shows
the level of SCOX's desparation.

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: RedBarchetta on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 05:01 PM EDT
Quote from above:
"[..] See, e.g., Dolch v. United California Bank, 702 F.2d 178, 180 (9th Cir. 1983) affirming dismissal of a contract claim for lack of federal question jurisdiction even though it involved copyrights, as "federal courts have consistently dismissed complaints in copyright cases that present only questions of contract law")(emphasis added [by plaintiff]) [..]"
SCO insists this boils down to a contract conflict, and "present[s] only questions of contract law," thereby arguing against any federal jurisdiction in this case.

Assuming they are correct in arguing this is only a contract issue, SCO will lose anyway. From a contract perspective, no clear, unrefutable copyright transfer agreement has ever been produced by The SCO Group (new SCO). Even oldSCO (now Tarantella) has not stepped up to the plate to help it's former buyout partner by (voulntarily) producing this transfer of copyright "list." The best SCO has to offer is their vague intrepretation of the APA.

I think SCO is hoping for is a remand to state court so Boies can go straight into a jury trial and pull a "Johnny Cochran" with the vague APA. It's their only hope of winning this case.

---
"Copyrights on software are very similar to brands on cattle" - Darl McBride interview, SkyRadio.

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SCO slight of hand
Authored by: DaveAtFraud on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 05:16 PM EDT
OK everybody, go back and re-read the background material on "Slander of Title" that PJ posted back when SCO first filed their suit against Novell. In particular,
“[t]o prove slander of title, a claimant must prove that (1) there was a publication of a slanderous statement disparaging claimant’s title, (2) the statement was false, (3) the statement was made with malice, and (4) the statement caused actual or special damages.”
Also, the malicious claim must be intentional.

SCOG is trying to base points 2 and 3 on the Novell press release. Nothing wrong with that since they need to show that Novell acknowledges their ownership of the copyrights although they should probably find something less ambiguous. Their slight of hand is that they hope no one will notice that this would also, in passing, acknowledge their title to the disputed copyrights. Were the case to be remanded, the slander of title suit would be thrown out because Novell can easily show that they had good reason to believe that they owned the Unix copyrights which shoots the intentional part down immediately without going into other elements that SCO needs to show to prove slander of title but it would leave SCOG acknowledged as the copyright holder. Pretty sneaky way to try to get ownership acknowledged for something you don't own.

The very fact that SCOG has to argue that the APA and ammendments are indeed an instrument of conveyance indicates that this matter is in question and, thus, this is a copyright case and rightly belongs before a federal judge. If they clearly conveyed the copyrights and had appropriate signatures, etc. there wouldn't be a dispute as to their validity. SCOG seems to have either missed this or knows its true but hopes everyone else missed it. The very fact that there is a question as to whether the APA and ammendments constitute an instrument of conveyance makes this a federal copyright case.

SCO's slander of title suit is strictly a throw away. They know they can't show all of the elements of slander of title but, if they can get the courts to say the issue is really just slander of title, they have won what they wanted: acknowledgement that they are the Unix copyright holder.

---
Quietly implementing RFC 1925 wherever I go.

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Another illustration of SCO hypocrisy
Authored by: mobrien_12 on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 05:36 PM EDT
So SCO says that Novell's press release (carefully gaurded and well phrased as
it was) is proof that Novell accepted and publicly acknowledged the Copyright
transfer of all Novell-owned UNIX source code.

But over on the IBM case, Darl has said that the newsletter clarification of
ownership of original components inserted into derivative works is essentially
meaningless. I believe his exact words were "I'll take our contracts over
their newsletter any day." And there was no ambiguity in the newsletter
article.

So which is it Darl? Press releases are proof or they are not?

If so, lets go back to your old quote: "obviously Linux owes its heritage
to UNIX, but not its code. We would not, nor will not, make such a claim."


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It was an asset purchase AGREEMENT...
Authored by: T. ProphetLactus on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 05:40 PM EDT
....broad brush, general, vague, like "Sure, I agree to give you title to a
bunch of lakes of molten gold on Mars, should I actually own any on the date of
the closing, and further, you must demonstrate to our satisfaction that your
process requires only Martian gold."

Its all nonsense. What was conditionally agreed upon is one thing, what matters
is what actually transferred and was signed off on at the closing.

<broken_record>

===========
ASSET PURCHASE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE SANTA CRUZ OPERATION, INC. AND
NOVELL, INC. Dated as of September 19, 1995


[...]

1.7. Closing.

(a) Closing. Unless this Agreement is earlier terminated pursuant to Article
VII, the closing of the transactions contemplated by this Agreement (the
"Closing") shall be held at the offices of Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich
& Rosati, 650 Page Mill Road, Palo Alto, California 94304, at 10:00 a.m. on
the date which is two business days following satisfaction or waiver of the last
of the conditions to Closing as set forth in the Article IV hereof, or on such
other time and/or date as the parties agree (the actual date on which the
Closing occurs is referred to herein as the "Closing Date").

(b) Delivery. At the Closing:

[...]

(iii) Seller shall deliver to Buyer all bills of sale, endorsements,
assignments, consents to assignments to the extent obtained and other
instruments and documents as Buyer may reasonably request to sell, convey,
assign, transfer and deliver to Buyer Seller's title to all the Assets; and

(iv) Seller and Buyer shall deliver or cause to be delivered to one another such
other instruments and documents necessary or appropriate to evidence the due
execution, delivery and performance of this Agreement.
==========

Its *all* documented somewhere, re: (iii).
If not, "Seller" has the more weighted interpretation under copyright
law, if I'm not mistaken, and of course:
]$touch /usr/include/IANAL

</broken_record>

TPL

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: GLJason on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 05:48 PM EDT
<blockquote><i>
Our interpretation of this is that we have the copyrights for Unix and UnixWare
technologies
</i></blockquote>
Interesting... They <i>may</i> own some of the copyrights that
Novell owned when they signed the agreement, but what about the BSD code that
exists in Unix SVRX?

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Supreme Irony: SCO cites press release as proof!
Authored by: bbaston on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 06:16 PM EDT
Well. If SCO asserts that press releases have legal standing, they have
definitely NOT passed my laugh test on this filing.

Novell can simply bring SCO's own press releases, say since January of 2003, and
quiz one of the McBride brothers on finer points until the farce of "Press
Release Defense" elicit both the truth and also giggles from the Judge and
gallery!

---
Ben
-------------
IMBW, IANAL2, IMHO, IAVO, {;)}
imaybewrong, iamnotalawyertoo, inmyhumbleopinion, iamveryold, hairysmileyface,

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OT: Missing dox in Autozone case?
Authored by: OldPro on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 07:34 PM EDT
Tuxrocks (www.tuxrocks.com) now shows document "21 - Notice of hearing
scheduled for Monday, June 21, 2004 @ 9:00am" but the previous document is
labeled "10 - Motion to stay or in the alternative for a more definite
statemnt obo D" (sic). Doesn't this mean that there should be documents 11
- 20 filed in the case?

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SCO's best case
Authored by: codswallop on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 07:54 PM EDT
The best case I've found (with my limited resources) is
Durgom v. Janowiak. It clearly sets out the standards for federal jurisdiction
in copyright suits. The key point is that the copyright issue has to arise from
the complaint and not the defense. The rationale is that otherwise the plaintiff
wouldn't know where to file, since he wouldn't know whetherthe defense would be
under state or federal law.

Given this, SCO would likely have been better off in some other type of case. If
they didn't have to plead that the APA was an instrument of conveyance, but
could leave this issue to the defense, then they'd have a case for remand.

A key point is whether they have sufficiently injected this issue into their
claim to make this a federal case. In Jasper, the plaintiffs raised the
instrument of comnveyance issue. Did SCO do the same? I think the
predictability issue is important. If the defense was inevitable from the
complaint, then SCO raised the issue. Alternatively, if the burden of proof for
the claim required SCO to raise the issue that would also do.

The second argument looks reasonable. This isn't just a contract dispute. By
charging slander of title, SCO took on the burden of demonstrating title. If it
were just a dispute between 2 contracting parties, then it might well belong in
state court. SCO, however, have no contract with Novell, so characterizing this
as a contract dispute is incorrect in this respect, as well.

I'm now way over my depth. None of the cases seem a good match for this one,
Jasper included. Anyone out there who really understands this stuff?

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Another thought
Authored by: codswallop on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 08:03 PM EDT
Does the fact that the issue of the APA is before the court in another caase
matter? There are obvious arguments against remanding something to state court,
when the same is is already before the federal court in the same district.
Can being a related case produce jurisdiction when it would otherwise be
questionable?

I think you might be able to argue that there was jurisdiction because the same
issue had been raised in the same court by the same plaintiff in another pending
case. There is likely to be estoppel between the cases for the plaintiff. the
argument is that this relationship makes the issue inevitably part of the
plaintiffs case and so federal jurisdiction is proper.

IANAL, as if you couldn't tell.

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OT - Why SCOG dropped its claim that the GP:L is unconstitutional
Authored by: blacklight on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 09:08 PM EDT
I believe that SCOG dropped its claim that the GPL is unconstitutional for a
very simple reason: any SCOG lawyer who makes such a claim in court is liable
for disbarment. In this case, fear came sufficiently close to home among SCOG's
lawyers to triumph over greed.

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What this case really tells us
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 09:28 PM EDT
What you need to do is look over all the SCO filings relating to the Novell
motion to dismiss, and the filings relating to the SCO motion to remand.

IANAL, but what I see is a disaster (for SCO).

1. They don't bother rebutting many of Novell's arguments

2. They cite cases which actually help the other side

3. They selectively quote cases

4. They cite what looks like dicta, as if it's holding

5. They put words in the other side's mouth

6. They cite meaningless or unrelated documents or quotations (Attachment E in
their original suit, the Novell press release now with its crucial vagueness and
use of "appears").

7. They introduce new arguments/evidence in a rebuttal filing.

Now most of this lunacy is not confined to the Novell case, they've done the
same things elsewhere. By the numbers, examples of each:

1. See the IBM motions to compel, or Kevin's argument on December 5th that IBM
knowing all SCO's alleged Linux rights is outside the scope of the case.

2. SEC v Toomey, cited in response to the IBM motion to strike the
"inequitable conduct" related patent defenses.

3. Too many to mention

4. Their famous quoting of Eldred vs Ashcroft to claim only "for
profit" copyrights somehow count

5. See motions fo bifuricate IBM cases for example.

6. Good example is their use of "All right title and interest" in
Unixware business somehow means all copyrights in the unamended APA, even though
the very same document specifically excludes all copyrights. Or Heise's
misreading of the copyright act to somehow make creating more than one copy
which permission of a copyright holder illegal. Or...

7. Their "Red Hat has no product" argument in their reply motion in
support of their motion to dismiss Red Hat's case and Lanham Act claims. For
example.


I don't know what this tells us in the broader sense other than they keep
falling over basic obstacles.

It's been said a lawyer with a poor case is bound to produce poor arguments, but
I think this goes way beyond that. If a lawyer has poor arguments, you'd think
that he would at least try to present them properly?

I have to wonder

- Is Darl devising this stuff himself (he told us at Harvard he reads legal
magazines, maybe he thinks that's almost as good as going to law school?)

- Is Kevin devising it, and way out of his depth?

- Are SCO getting any value from their lawyers in return for their massive legal
fees.

- Why are SCO's arguments in court as bad, if not worse, than the PR mumbo-jumbo
that Darl, Chris and Blake come up with?

You have to wonder...



Finally one last point - why is it that SCO seem to be learning on the job? It's
like they are learning how to argue (admittedly in a SCO crazy messed kinda way)
based on what they see in other people's filings. Examples of this include the
echo-ing back ideas, for example: (1) IBM filed motions to compel, mmm, SCO
better file one, and (2) Novell said we conceded some points [correctly], so
let's argue that IBM conceded some points [incorrectly].

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OT: question
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 11:48 PM EDT
I am wondering what the first big legal victory against SCO will be.

Dismissal of the DC case? Dismissal of the Novell case? Or something else?

Maybe we could have a contest. Submit what you think will happen first, and on
what day. The winner gets an I Love Groklaw tee shirt.

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SCOG - Standup Comedy Group
Authored by: kawabago on Sunday, May 02 2004 @ 11:54 PM EDT
This case is how lawyers joke! It must be!

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SCO Can't even lie with a straight face
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 12:36 AM EDT
<< Courts have held that the document need not even include the word
"copyright" to constitute a valid transfer. See, eg., Schiller &
Schmidt v. Nordisco Corporation, 969 F.2d 410, 413 (7th Cir.1992). "When
reviewing the transfer of copyright ownership, courts interpret the instruments
of conveyance liberally, especially when no third parties will be harmed."
>>

I wonder if anyone cought this: IF -- and I do say IF -- this is TRUE the fact
that IBM, Red Hat, DC, AZ, et al are all third parties would WILL be harmed
since it is SCO expressed desire to try and collect monies not due them from
bogus claims seems to indicate that indeed third parties who are licensees that
have legal and binding contracts with NOVELL and thus indirect pasrties to SCO
slander of suit claim since the matter in IBM,and Red Hat, are in FEDERAL court
and the issue in question is indeed COPYRIGHT, and there is a question if indeed
if COPYRIGHT was indeed transferred to SCO, and if SCO what EXACT copyrights
were transferred since in the original APA there is a clause that specifical
states that both patents and copyrights did NOT transfer and were retained by
NOVELL, that old SCO had to present to Novell a document requesting EXACTLY what
copyrights were needed so as to effectively conduct its business.
"Litigating IP" hardly qualifies as SCO legitimate business since SCO
is -- or was -- about making products for sale based on SCO's own UNIX code
base. Trying to extort money from people by holding up people saying that you
"own" UNIX when in fact that UNIX is a set of STANDARDS owned by the
OPEN GROUP and NOT by SCO, and that third parties who outright bought their
licenses from eith AT&t and/or Novell seems to raise a lot of questions
about copyright ownershipwhich indeed can ownly be resolved in a FEDERAL court.

Bobcat

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You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
Authored by: Tomas on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 02:06 AM EDT
Bell Telephone Laboratories, a subsidiary of AT&T and Western Electric
(50/50) originally developed UNIX which was passed on to USL, another
subsidiary.

USL's owner, AT&T, sold part of what it owned of UNIX to Novell who sold
parts of their UNIX business to Santa Crus Operation, and donated the ownership
of the UNIX name and trademark to yet another group.

Santa Crus Operation sold it's two divisions associated with UNIX to Caldera
International, Inc., a subsidiary of Caldera, Inc. which was formed as a holding
company to hold Caldera Systems, Inc, and the two divisions of Santa Cruz
Operations purchased by Caldera Systems, Inc. Somewhere in there Caldera Systems
Inc. formed a new holding company called Caldera, Inc., too.

Later Santa Crus Operations, Inc. changed it's name to Tarantella, Inc. and
Caldera, Systems Inc. or Caldera International, Inc. or Caldera Inc. or Caldera
Inc. (yes, there now seem to be two of them) changed it's name to The SCO Group,
Inc. and additionally SCOsource, Inc. and SCO Operations, Inc. came into being
to license The SCO Group, Inc.'s alleged UNIX IP and to fund whoever is left of
the various and assorted Calderas and SCO's.

Trying to trace the actual ownership of any UNIX copyrights that may or may not
actually exist through this 'maze of twisty little passeges' may not even be
possible as there don't appear to be any registered copyrights for "UNIX
System V" existing from the time that BTL/AT&T/USL were selling
licenses to the software, and until Novell and one of the Caldera/SCO companies
suddenly both attempted to register "UNIX System V" last summer, it
appears that no one even tried to register UNIX System V copyrights other than
those for the printed manuals.

Throw in the additional confusion of the sealed settlement of the court case
between the Regents of the University of California and AT&T/USL/Novell,
which happened about the time of Novell's purchase of whatever UNIX stuff it
purchased from AT&T/USL that may or may not directly impact the copyright
questions, AND the release of massive amounts of older UNIX code, which is still
present in UNIX System V, to the public domain (even though they may not have
owned it clearly to start with).

Let's see, can the ownership of the alleged UNIX System V copyrights be tracked
through this maze?

BTL > AT&T > USL > AT&T > Novell > Santa Cruz Operation
> Caldera Systems, Inc. > Caldera International, Inc. > Caldera, Inc.
> The SCO Group, Inc.

Who actually owns the UNIX System V copyrights, assuming they actually exist as
a commodity, now?

Can the transfer of the copyrights be documented for each and every step with
the required specificity of 18USC?

I'm certainly not sure of that, and so far NO ONE has shown documents tracking
the copyrights (or even proving ownership at any point).

If they are indeed worth "$50 billion" wouldn't you expect SOMEONE to
have kept track of 'em at least as well as I keep track of who owns my car? I
can trace the ownership and title of my car all the way from the hour it left
the factory, through any and all intermediate holders, to myself, and it's
probably only worth $1000.

Now, is it just me who's confused by all of this, or is this whole thing as
stupid as it seems?

---
Tom
Engineer (ret.)
"Friends don't let friends use Microsoft."

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SCO Logic
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 03:47 AM EDT
I read in e-Week that Blake Stowell is claiming that the
GPL is unenforcable. One of the reasons is that the FSF does not or cannot
enforce all GPL license violations.

So according to this logic... SCO so far has not been able to enforce any of its
supposed license violation...hence by induction SCO's license is
unenforcable...hence not a valid license QED !

Am I ready to become a lawyer or what ?!

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 05:17 AM EDT
What a bunch of shameless idiots!

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Does Darl think he owns the trademark "Novell"
Authored by: thorpie on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 06:09 AM EDT
Reading the APA it states that excluded items include “All copyrights and trademarks, except for the copyrights and trademarks owned by Novell as of the date of the Agreement required for SCO to exercise its rights with respect to the acquisition of UNIX and UnixWare” Novell owned a lot of copyrights and trademarks, the trademark “Novell” for instance, and the copyrights for all of Novell’s Netware code. This begs lots of questions: Firstly: Does SCO believe that the copyright to Netware and the trademark “Novell” were transferred by the APA? If not, Darl, where do YOU draw the line? Please explain where, why Secondly, I’m curious if anyone knows: Were the trademarks “Unixware” and “UNIX” (if owned by Novell?) actually transferred by any other “instrument of conveyance”? If they weren’t, what does that imply/mean? If they were, what does that imply/mean? Are there any other trademarks related to Unixware and, if there are, were these transferred by separate instruments of conveyance? (eg SysV?) Have there been any other instruments of conveyance transferring any IP between Novell and SCO?

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PJ - do you have any analysis
Authored by: codswallop on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:12 AM EDT
We've all seen a lot about whether the APA is an instrument of conveyance, but
the issue that SCO raise in their last paragraph may be more important for
remand.

The rule seems to be that for federal jurisdiction, the federal question must be
inherent in the plaintiff's case. It can't come from the defense. In Jasper it
was raised by the plaintiffs. Can you shed any light on this issue? Does it help
that for slander of title SCO must demonstrate title? Does this create a de
facto exception of some kind?

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Investment advice oddity
Authored by: Jude on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 08:23 AM EDT
I found this while Google-ing for SCO news:

Zacks.com Announces That Mike Chrisman Highlights the Following Stocks: IPIX Corporation and SCO Group

I was curious about who Zack's.com might be, so I went to their website:

Zack's.com

and then down to Annual Report:

Free Annual Reports

That didn't look like what I wanted, but it did have an "About us" link:

Precision IR

which is headed by the line "PrecisionIR™ is the ideal solution for investor relations professionals who want to deliver customized communications to a precisely targeted audience of existing shareholders and prospective investors."

I might be mistaken, but this seems to suggest that Zack's Investment Advice is nothing more than a channel for delivering BS to investors.

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This may be a silly question. What is TSCOG's logic that it is SCO?
Authored by: jsoulejr on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 09:54 AM EDT
How is TSCOG claiming to be SCO?

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OT: Enderle
Authored by: sunnyfla on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 11:16 AM EDT
Here is a recent article by Enderle.

"I'm convinced there is a much stronger play here that could be made by Apple and others, but after seeing what IBM did to Linux, I'm not sure I even want to suggest that any company get more involved than it is today with FreeBSD for fear of spoiling that platform as well."

Can anyone figure out what he's on about here? This sentence adds no value to what the article is really about, but he seems to be using it to take a swing at IBM/Linux.

What did IBM do to Linux????

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Statute of limitations?
Authored by: arch_dude on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 12:54 PM EDT
We learned in the DC discussion that contracts are subject to a Statute of
Limitations (SoL.) In Utah, I think the SoL is 7 years?

I cannot find a copy of Ammendment 2 to the APA. Do we have it? If it does not
have an explicit term defined, the SoL may apply. It came into effect in
December of 1996. I would surmise that as of December 2003, it is no longer in
effect, and Novell is no longer obliged to honor it.

However, If SCOG made a documented, formal request for specific copyright
transfers prior to December 2003, I suspect that Novell could be compelled to
honor the requests IF a court finds them to be legitimate under the terms of the
ammendment.

How does the SoL apply to an ammendment? Does the amendment date apply, or does
the date of the original contract apply? if the latter, then SCOG is in deep
trouble.

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OT- SCOX Stock price
Authored by: seanlynch on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT

SCOX stock has dropped below $6.00 per share.

It has been on a jigsaw pattern down, and will probably bounce up midway between $7 and $8 soon before dropping down again.

The overall trend down should continue as more court documents get published and scrutinized.

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OT: new possible FUD in Fortune mag
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 01:13 PM EDT
The May 17 issue of Fortune has a cover story on SCO: "Corporate Enemy No.
1" With Darl McBride on the cover, wrapped in what looks to be source
listings. The two articles on their site,
"Gunning for Linux"
(http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,632036,00.html),
and "Penguin Slayer"
(http://www.fortune.com/fortune/technology/articles/0,15114,462985,00.html ),
look, at least on reading the preview, look like they may contain serious FUD.
Does anybody have a subscription who could summarise these two articles?

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Where did SCOG raise the copyright assignment issue?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 01:40 PM EDT
SCOG seems to make a good point that, for Federal jurisdiction, the issue of a
valid writing making the copyright assignment has to be raised by the
plaintiff.

If we concede this point, but still think that the case belongs in Federal
court, we need to answer the question: "where did SCOG raise the
issue?" Otherwise, we should find some case law that gives Federal
jurisdiction when the plaintiff did not raise the issue.

I would like to see a discussion of this question. I plan to respond to this
post with what I can find in SCOG's complaint and Novell's response.


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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of Motion to Remand - as text
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 01:52 PM EDT
Wasn't there also a "Change of Control" provision that should have
kicked off based on the "transfer" from Original SCO to "The
people posing as SCO". I'd have to look it up, but my memory (which isn't
very good) is of a provision that suggests that the APA and the Ammendment
provided a mechanism to transfer copyrights to Original SCO if they
satisfactorily convinced Novell that they required it BUT only if a change of
control (or was it ownership) didn't happen?


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Press release and Private Letters
Authored by: Graywing on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 02:53 PM EDT
Was browsing through the Novell archives, in a letter dates June 6, 2003 the
smae date as the Press release:

"June 6, 2003

Mr. Darl McBride
President and CEO
The SCO Group
[address]

Re: Letter of June 6

Dear Mr. McBride:

I have received your letter to Jack L. Messman with respect to "Novell's
May
28, 2003 Press Release."

For your information, Novell has today issued a press release with respect to
Amendment No. 2. A copy is attached for your ease of reference.

Your letter contains absurd and unfounded accusations against Novell and
others, coupled with a veiled threat to publicly state those allegations in a
SCO press call to be held today at 11:00 am EST. Novell continues to demand
that SCO cease and desist its practice of making unsubstantiated allegations,
including the allegations contained in your letter of June 6,
2003.

Sincerely,

Joseph A. LaSala, Jr."

Though Novell has never "Publicly" retracted the press release the
letter
clearly shows that they do not agree with SCO's interpretation of the Contract.


Just another MINOR oversight by TSG or their Lawyer's I'm sure. Just like the
last IBM filing.

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U.S. fines Bill Gates $800,000
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/03/technology/gates_penalty/index.htm

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OT - At least we know they are being watched.
Authored by: seanlynch on Monday, May 03 2004 @ 03:07 PM EDT

Off Topic.

CNN is report ing that Bill Gates has been fined us$800,000.00.

At least we know they are being watched.

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