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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of its Motion for Separate Trials - as text
Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 06:01 PM EDT

Happily, andyj had a sudden burst of energy and quickly transcribed SCO's Reply Memorandum in Support of Its Motion for Separate Trials, so here it is as text.

As you will see, SCO pretends it didn't hear most of IBM's arguments, and it twists the parts it did absorb and acts like they mean something other than what IBM wrote. I used to have a sister who argued a little bit like SCO, although she couldn't hold a candle to SCO in scale and daring. But she did have the most irritating way of picking out one tiny side point I had said and twisting it to make it seem like I had conceded her main point. SCO does the same. It's really annoying.

For example, my sister and I were the same size, and we had an arrangement to share our clothes. But in reality, I rarely got to wear hers and she was always wearing mine. If my sister and I wanted to wear the same sweater to school, she'd tell my mom that I shouldn't be allowed to wear it because I'd get it dirty. I'd maybe say, "Well, she got my green dress dirty last week when I let her wear it, so what is the difference?" To which, my sister would say, in triumph, "See? She admits she is going to get it dirty," ignoring the fundamental fairness issue underlying my remark.

SCO here says, "See, IBM admits that this case is complicated and unwieldy and it might make sense to split it up," whereas IBM's chief point was that it doesn't think any of this nonsense is ever going to go to trial, because they expect to bring motions for summary judgment, and that it is too soon to know if there is a need to bifurcate, anyway, and it surely is too soon to know which elements of the case to break off into separate trials, if any, because discovery is just getting going, even if it were in some imaginary universe ever going to trial.

To which SCO replies, as if it hadn't heard that part, and it had no clue that the deadline for receiving discovery from IBM was this past Monday, "Worse, SCO has yet to see a single document from IBM in response to SCO's discovery supporting its patent claims. . . ."

I hope the judge finds such non sequiturs as annoying as I do. In a perfect universe, the judge had a sister.

I trust the "40 patent claims" SCO moans about is a typo, not a stretching of the truth to make the case seem "unwieldy" and "complex". There are, as usual, typos in the document.

They seem to be arguing that it's too much to expect them to be able to handle all this discovery at the same time, to which one might point out that they brought the action and reasonably could have expected counterclaims. Granted they may be stretched rather thin, with so many other legal actions going on, but they brought the AutoZone and DaimlerChrysler cases after filing the action against IBM, so who is to blame if they are loaded down? If they can't handle all the legal work, maybe they should stop suing people. Just a suggestion.

******************************************

Brent O. Hatch (5715)
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE
[Address, phone, fax]

Stephen N. Zack (admitted pro hac vice)
Mark J. Heise (admitted pro hac vice)
David K. Markarian (admitted pro hac vice)
BOISE, SHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
[Address, phone, fax]

Attorneys for Plaintiff

_________________________________________

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF UTAH, CENTRAL DIVISION

________________________________________

THE SCO GROUP, INC.,

Plaintiff,

v.

INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS
MACHINES CORPORATION,

Defendant .

____________________________________

PLAINTIFF SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM
IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR
SEPARATE TRIALS

Case No. 2:03CV0294DAK

Judge Dale A. Kimball
Magistrate Judge Brooke C. Wells

______________________________________

IBM acknowledges that this court "has considerable power to decide how a trial should be conducted and broad discretion to decide whether and how to separate claims and issues." IBM's Response, p. 3. IBM also concedes that this case is very complex, and that "it may make sense ultimately for the Court to adjudicate the claims and issues presented in more than one trial." IBM Response, pp. 3, 4. (emphasis added). Most importantly, IBM scarcely denies that its patent counterclaims have nothing to do with this case, devoting a mere two sentences of its Response Brief to this critical issue. And in those two sentences, IBM admits that the counterclaims are unrelated and unwieldy, claiming only (without showing) that they are not "as unrelated" and "as unwieldy" as SCO has shown in its motion. Moreover, the many factual points SCO demonstrated in its motion proving that separate trials are warranted are unrefuted in IBM's Response Brief.

With the essential facts undisputed, IBM's sole argument in opposition to SCO's motion for separate trials is that this Court should defer decision of this issue until a later date - indeed, IBM suggests that the motion be denied without prejudice. IBM's justification for deferring ruling on an issue that requires immediate attention is two fold. First, IBM hypothesizes that "most (if not all) of the claims and issues in the suit can and should be resolved by summary judgement...." IBM Response, p. 3. Second, IBM believes that the discovery and Markman hearings required for the three remaining patent claims[1] can be begin and end in approximately 3 months. IBM Response, p. 6. Neither proposition justifies combining the pre-trial and trial of the admittedly unrelated patent claims with the remainder of the litigation.

In contrast to IBM's "wait and see" suggestion, SCO has already identified multiple grounds for separating discovery and trial of the patent counterclaims from other claims in this case. SCO's motion detailed the ways it would be prejudiced if forced to litigate the patent counterclaims injected by IBM into the case at the same time as the non-patent issues. Examples of this prejudice include the fact that SCO and IBM currently have only approximately 3 months remaining within which to complete non-expert discovery and are allocated 40 depositions each. IBM's remaining patent counterclaims alone could require as many as 65 addtional depositions to resolve the 40 patents claims they raise. The resolution of these unrelated patent counterclaims could delay the litigation by at least 18 months, as the court must hold Markman hearings and resolve the countless technical issues such claims represent. Worse, SCO has yet to see a single document from IBM in response to SCO's discovery supporting its patent claims, so SCO is hardly in a position to initiate the required patent depositions or even prepare for them. If the patent counterclaims are not separated so that the remainder of the case can proceed to trial, these admittedly unrelated counterclaims will impede the orderly preparation of this case, including doubling the already considerable pre-trial time needed to bring this matter to resolution. IBM, on the other hand, does not claim that it will be prejudiced by separating the patent and non-patent issues.

Ignoring the impact on SCO of having to conduct discovery of both the patent and non-patent claims at the same time, IBM instead relies on cases where courts exercised their discretion to defer ruling on motions to separate trials. None of those cases supports the idea that a district court must or should postpone such a decistion until after discovery. Moreover, not a single one of IBM's cases involved patents, while numerous cases cited in SCO's motion specifically related to separating patent claims. IBM has not endeavored to distinguish any of these cases, all of which fully support separating the unrelated patent counterclaims from the remainder of the litigation.

For the foregoing reasons, SCO respectfully requests that the Court enter an order separating for discovery and trial IBM's four patent counterclaims from the other claims in the case.

DATED this 19th day of April, 2004.

Respectfully submitted,

By: ____[signature]___________
HATCH, JAMES & DODGE, P.C.
Brent O. Hatch
Mark F. James

BOIES, SCHILLER & FLEXNER LLP
Stephen N. Zack
Mark J. Heise
David K. Markarian

Counsel for Plaintiff/Counterclaim defendant

____________________________________

1 After requesting that SCO further identify IBM's inequitable conduct before the Patent and Trademark Office, IBM coluntarily dismissed one of its four patent counterclaims.

______________________________________________________

CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE

Plaintiff, The SCO Group, hereby certifies that a true and correct copy of PLAINTIFF SCO'S REPLY MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR SEPARATE TRIALS was server on Defendant Internation Business Machines Corporation on the 19th day of April, 2004, by U.S. mail to:

Evan R. Chester, Esq.
David Marriot, Esq.
Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
[address]

Donald J. Rosenberg, Esq.
[address]

Alan L. Sullivan, Esq.
Todd Shaughnessy, Esq.
Snell & Wilmer L.L.P.
[address]

________[signature]_________


  


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Corrections Here Please
Authored by: PJ on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 06:12 PM EDT
Please put corrections in this thread, so I can find them quickly. Thank you.

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"40 patent claims" probably NOT a typo
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 06:15 PM EDT
It probably refers to claims in each of the patents (a patent typically includes
several claims), not to counts in a complaint.

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Very OT - Past tense?
Authored by: star-dot-h on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 06:33 PM EDT
"I used to have a sister"

Either there has a family tragedy (fratricide seems likely in this case, but
said sister has been mentioned before so I'm assuming this is not the case) or
PJ has disowned her sister.

Parodixcally I am grateful to this person for her contribution to honing the
skills PJ is now using to to such devastating effect against SCO.

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of its Motion for Separate Trials - as text
Authored by: kberrien on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 06:35 PM EDT
>but they brought the AutoZone and DaimlerChrysler cases after
>filing the action against IBM

You forgot Novell, PJ. And, given SCO's public statements, they had the RH suit
comming as well.

Does anyone have a recent example of a plaintiff so unwilling to prove its case?
Delay is a Boise hallmark isn't it? Perhaps one of his cases.

And what does this say about Boise & Firm? Ok, so maybe they took a case
that was unwinable. But, would you hire an firm who took this nonsense on? If
this finds it way all the way back to MS/Sun, there is going to be a lot of
boddies along the path.

[ Reply to This | # ]

Doesn't stuff like this annoy the judge ?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 06:44 PM EDT
How much patience does Kimball have ?

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Logic or the lack thereof
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 07:05 PM EDT
Well if it's logic you want ...

www.intriguing.com/mp/_scripts/witch.txt

Every time I read a judgement (which I try to avoid usually), I am impressed
with the thoroughness of the judge. It looks to me like judges have to deal
with absolutely every scrap of infomation and argument. Therefore, if I wanted
to slow down a judge so I could delay a case, I would attempt to provide as much
information and argument as I could.

I'm actually suprised that SCO's lawyers are being as civilized as they are.

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Maybe they have selective eyesight
Authored by: bsm2003 on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 07:18 PM EDT
Kind of like selective hearing 8^).

SCO

"IBM acknowledges that this court "has considerable power to decide how a trial should be conducted and broad discretion to decide whether and how to separate claims and issues."

IBM

"It is undisputed that the Court has considerable power to decide how a trial should be conducted and broad discretion to decide whether and how to separate claims and issues."

SCO

"IBM also concedes that this case is very complex, and that "it may make sense ultimately for the Court to adjudicate the claims and issues presented in more than one trial."

IBM

"We do not disagree with SCO's assertion that the case is complex (though, frankly, SCO overstates the point).But that is not a reason to rush to split the case. Rather, that is exactly why this Court should defer ruling on how precisely to try the case."

[ Reply to This | # ]

OT Lindows Files suit against Xandros
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 08:10 PM EDT
news.com.com is reporting that lindows is suing xandros for $750,000.

http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5195630.html

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Wait
Authored by: Flower on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 09:32 PM EDT
I disagree with this assessment. First, SCO makes a telling point about the effort discovery on the patent claims will take. Currently, these claims have not been refuted by IBM. From IBM's Response to SCO's Motion for Separate Trials:
To support its request for a separate trial of the patent claims, SCO argues that the patent claims will require immense discovery, at least 18 additional months of it, and thus have to be tried separately to prevent delay in the resolution of the non-patent claims. As we will explain separately in our response to SCO's motion to extend the scheduling order and unnecessarily prolong the case, there is no reason to extend the discovery period on the patent claims (as to which IBM, not SCO, bears the burden to show infringement).
So to date, we haven't seen IBM's counter-argument as to why SCO is wrong and it won't take 18 months and eat up all their scheduled depostitions to prepare for those issues. I guess my question is now does the judge have to wait for IBM's next document to resolve this issue? If I'm reading SCO's original motion correctly the judge only has to buy into one of three issues - convenience, predjudice or economy. IBM simply defers the economy issue saying we'll explain it elsewhere. In every other document we seen the big watchphrase has been to cover all your bases. Why is this time different?

And while SCO definately spins it so much that it would make Taz dizzy I think they make another point that IBM doesn't focus much on why the patent claims are related to the case at hand. SCO keeps talking about their ABIs in linux and all so how are those claims of infringement related to navigating program menus and the rest? Reviewing all three documents in front of me I really wish IBM had spent more time beefing up why the patents are pertinent.

I'm more than likely wrong in all this but looking at what's in front of me I'm not willing to dismiss SCOs response. It's not so much that SCO didn't hear IBM's arguments as they don't buy into them. From the response above:

Ignoring the impact on SCO of having to conduct discovery of both the patent and non-patent claims at the same time, IBM instead relies on cases where courts exercised their discretion to defer ruling on motions to separate trials. None of those cases supports the idea that a district court must or should postpone such a decistion until after discovery. Moreover, not a single one of IBM's cases involved patents, while numerous cases cited in SCO's motion specifically related to separating patent claims. IBM has not endeavored to distinguish any of these cases, all of which fully support separating the unrelated patent counterclaims from the remainder of the litigation. [emphasis mine]

---
Teach it phenomenology.

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Investor's Pullout Stirs Doubts About SCO Group
Authored by: wepprop on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 10:58 PM EDT
The voice of Baystar speaks. From the NY Times - Registration usually required.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/22/technology/22sco.html?ex=1083211200&en=11a
a704a6aaf373f&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

[ Reply to This | # ]

It seems
Authored by: arrg on Wednesday, April 21 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT


As I hear more from MS and SCO I feel a little like Alice tumbling down the
rabbit hole. I guess in the end reality isn't really truth, it's more about how
many people you can convince is the truth.

---
Time is funny stuff, space has it's points too.... - Hap

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OT: Baystar speaks out
Authored by: bstadil on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 12:37 AM EDT
Believe it or not but Baystar is pulling the plug because SCO are not focussing on the lawsuits

They want the Unix business killed off, Well they might as well

Info Here

[ Reply to This | # ]

OT: SCOX stock
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 12:57 AM EDT
Currently at $6.80 on Nasdaq.

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of its Motion for Separate Trials - as text
Authored by: bsm2003 on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 01:15 AM EDT
4/20/04 37 Declaration of Josy W. Ingersoll, Esq. in Support of D.I. #35 (ft)
[Entry date 04/21/04]
<p>
Off the Yahoo board. Supposed to be on pacer I dont have access. This is for the
RH case.

[ Reply to This | # ]

OT: Someone know what is this about
Authored by: DBLR on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 01:48 AM EDT
Found this over at the U.S. District Court records.

0-0 Filed: 04/19/04 Entered: 04/20/04 Add party (Private)
Docket Text: Added party S2 Strategic Consult.

Is IBM adding S-2 to the counter law suite, claims?

Charles

---
Some Lawyers are just like bananas, they are all crooked, yellow and slimy.

[ Reply to This | # ]

Sister
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 01:53 AM EDT
"I used to have a sister who argued a little bit like SCO"

I hope you meant:

"My sister used to argue a little bit like SCO"

Otherwise what worries me about the report is not SCO's usual modus operandi,
but what happened to your sister, PJ!


[ Reply to This | # ]

scox is a SCAM
Authored by: RedBarchetta on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 01:59 AM EDT
This article has a quote from Melanie Hollands that is worth savoring:
I wrote in February that if SCO Group could focus on selling software and services -- not litigation -- then there would be a chance for a real company. But that is not going to happen. This is (and will remain) a scam stock with no assets -- just a business model based on litigation.
I know Melanie is a (somewhat?) regular reader of GROKLAW. Melanie, if you are reading this I just wanted to let you know that you are of the few in the media that really understands the lack of SCO's merits. Your articles are clear and coherent, and I now look forward to all your future write-ups... keep up the fine work!

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SCO Reply Memorandum In Support of its Motion for Separate Trials - as text
Authored by: blacklight on Thursday, April 22 2004 @ 02:49 AM EDT
"I used to have a sister who argued a little bit like SCO, although she
couldn't hold a candle to SCO in scale and daring."

The correct New York word for "scale and daring" is the Yiddish or
Yiddish-American word chutzpah, as in the young man who kills both his parents
and throws himself at the mercy of the court because he is an orphan.
"chutzpah" is probably one of those wonderful, uncannily to the point
in meaning yet untranslatable words like "Shadenfreude". The closest
English approximation to "chutzpah" that I can think of is
"effrontery".

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