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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 09:30 AM EDT

Ever wonder what the Microsoft pitch might be when trying to sell businesses on the idea that Linux actually costs more than staying with Microsoft's products?

A reader sat through such a presentation, and he told me about it. The FUD was thick, but presented in a very appealing, professional, PowerPointy way, he said. The theme was basically that Linux is too risky and that it costs too much to train your employees.

Now you can share in the FUD fun without seeing the presentation personally. Here's WinXPNews' hilarious sales pitch, which seems to match what the reader described. Hilarious in an icky kind of infuriating way. Here's a taste of their article "Commercial Software vs. Open Source". You'll notice the title alone is misleading, implying that open source is invariably noncommercial, something SuSE, Red Hat, and Mandrake would take issue with, and which the article itself disproves by arguing against "commercial versions of Linux". *Sigh.* That's just the beginning. Here's part of why they think you won't save any money switching to a free operating system. They begin by stating that studies say so:

"The trouble with most of the studies arriving at this conclusion was that they were sponsored or funded in some way by Microsoft. This made them suspect, even though those out of Redmond protested that they commissioned the studies because nobody else was doing them. Well, now someone else has: The Yankee Group, a big market-research firm, has done an independent study that reaches pretty much the same conclusion. Their bottom line: technically Linux is pretty much equivalent (but not superior) to Windows and UNIX, but switching to Linux from Windows in a large enterprise will be three to four times more expensive than upgrading from a previous version of Windows."

Ah. A Laura DiDio sighting. It is she, coming to Microsoft's rescue with an "independent" survey "proving" that Windows really is cheaper than Linux. However did she manage such a feat?

CIO Today reveals the new math that made it possible to say that Linux costs more:

"'Keep in mind that TCO includes the risk of deploying Linux with little or no indemnification for customers,' DiDio said. 'Most businesses have to take a cautious and pragmatic approach when it comes to the systems they use.'"

Excuse me, but for starters customers don't need indemnification for using Linux. Maybe the businesses might want to consider indemnification or insurance for themselves from SCO or SCO-like nuisance lawsuits, but their customers are in no need of indemnification. I think she needs to recrunch those numbers. For that matter, what numbers? How did she quantify that "expense"? What numbers is she working with here that tip the TCO in Windows' direction? Here's Yankee Group's press release about the study. I tried to get the study itself, but haven't received it yet. If I do, perhaps then I can get answers to my questions.

She reports that respondents said Linux offers exceptional performance:

"While corporate customers report that Linux offers exceptional performance, total cost of ownership lags behind that of Windows and Unix platforms, states the study based on a survey of 1,000 I.T. administrators worldwide."

Her results are already being questioned, according to CIO Today:

"As might be expected, report author and senior analyst Laura DiDio is drawing a lot of heat, with some questioning sponsorship of the survey, as well as her motives. She told NewsFactor that it was an independent effort that included two-dozen interviews with CIOs and other high-level corporate officials."

Two dozen. I wonder how she picked them. She worked with SunBelt Software, according to The Age:

"The survey . . .was done in association with Sunbelt Software, a Windows NT/2K/XP Tools Provider."

I'm sure they have no axe to grind, despite having a business that totally depends on Microsoft. InternetNews says DiDio told them"no outside agency or company funded the survey." Presumably that means Yankee Group paid for it.

She found that 76% of respondents gave Linux and Unix comparable marks for reliability, "while the biggest concern for Windows customers was the amount of time spent installing security fixes and performing patch management," CIO Today reports. The Age notes this:

"Around a third of the respondents said they felt Linux is more reliable than Windows; 31 percent said their perception was that Linux is more secure than Windows; 29 percent feared being locked into an all Microsoft environment."

They also have more details on the indemnification issue:

"The biggest growing concern for Linux in the business world, however, comes from the failure of vendors to indemnify their products. DiDio is quick to point out that doesn't just mean indemnification over legal disputes, such as the highly-publicized lawsuit filed by the SCO Group against IBM.

"Indemnification covers much more than protection from litigation, DiDio said. It also shields companies from events, whether it's a national disaster or outage. For large organizations, lack of a product warranty is a non-starter, she said. What limited indemnification commercial Linux vendors like Red Hat, Novell's, SuSE, Hewlett-Packard provide is contingent on customers 'not making any modifications to the Linux code they distributed to you,' she said."

Unless I have misunderstood her, or she was misquoted, she appears to be suggesting that GNU/Linux software vendors should offer national disaster insurance. Is that not what regular insurance is for? There is insurance covering equipment breakdown and ebusiness risks, such as security breaches, for Microsoft shops, but you buy it from insurance companies, not from Microsoft. Is she seriously saying that Microsoft offers indemnification against national disasters, but Linux doesn't? I hope she didn't factor that into the TCO numbers. I really want to read this report.

I am obliged to correct Ms. DiDio on the indemnification issue, because she is mistaken on her facts. I never thought I would see the day where I'd be defending HP's indemnification program, because I am not in love with any restrictions on modifications, although I understand no single vendor can offer indemnification without such restrictions, but you can modify the code without losing your indemnification with HP. You just can't do it without prior approval. You can also get vendor-neutral insurance that does allow you to modify the code freely. How could a senior analyst get that so wrong? I hope she was misquoted.

Did DiDio factor in the cost of time spent dealing with security problems in the Windows operating system? The cost of a company meltdown from a virus or worm? If she didn't, despite respondents listing it prominently as a concern, and she factored in the phantom costs of customer indemnification, there may be an imbalance in the DiDio TCO universe, especially when you consider the millions such malware costs every year, they say, in the Windows world.

Ms. DiDio admits, according to InternetWeek, that Linux can be dramatically cheaper for smaller businesses:

"Linux can deliver a dramatic increase in ROI and lower TCO for some firms, said DiDio. But they're primarily smaller shops in the engineering and scientific vertical markets, where the staff is extremely technical, and can create its own custom applications, build its own boxes, and do its own support without resorting to Linux vendors or developers."

And what, pray tell, would hinder a large firm from hiring some local Linux-savvy personnel and reaping the same benefits?

This FUD about how expensive and hard it is to switch is questionable too. Here's what the survey says it found, according to CIO Today:

"Among the conclusions drawn from participants is that a major Linux deployment or total switch from Windows to Linux would be three to four times more expensive and take three times as long to deploy as an upgrade from one version of Windows to newer Windows releases."

Oh, so it's not a study of such costs; it's a survey of what some executives think it would cost? That's not the same thing. And as for it being more expensive to switch than to upgrade, that might be true if you only measure the day you switch, and even then, it'd be more expensive only if you don't have too many computers needing Microsoft licenses and software. But what about costs after that? Once you've switched, you've escaped the license/upgrade costs of a Windows environment forever. This isn't a survey about total cost of ownership so much as it is a survey of the total cost of migration.

I enjoy GNU/Linux software, but even I would acknowledge that not all businesses may wish to make a total switch now, because some may like to use specialized applications that are not yet available in GNU/Linux. There are quite a few specialized applications in the legal world, for example. But the argument that retraining will be such a huge cost seems strained. Have these folks tried GNU/Linux software lately? The old command-line-or-perish days are history. You can sit down at a Mandrake box and there is no need to even read a manual, if you are used to Windows. It's that intuitive. And yes, Mandrake does business. SuSE's most recent demo looked mighty easy to me, so I question the value of the results on this point.

I think they are exaggerating the need for training and underplaying that you need retraining to upgrade Windows also. I know. A neighbor teaches classes for employees of large corporations who can't figure out how to do things in the new Windows software when the companies upgrade, and she makes a good, steady income. The survey results are only as accurate as the respondents are accurately informed. I guess it's a struggle to make a free operating system look like it costs more than Microsoft's software. No doubt she did her best.

Ms. DiDio argues that two years down the road, when Linux is more popular, it will have just as many problems with security issues as Microsoft. I doubt it, personally, because of the way it is designed, but I take it she thinks Linux will be wildly popular in two years, and that's nice to know. Oh, that isn't what she meant? Then how could it be comparable? This sounds like a bit of analyst spinach that doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. When there is a problem in GNU/Linux, your whole system doesn't go down, and there are almost always ways to access your data. Plus it makes it hard for clueless clickers to initiate viral infections. You certainly can't just click and poof! Everything is corrupted. Usually you can preserve your documents and email and personal materials even if you have to reinstall the rest, anyhow. Even if it did become comparable in the future, the future isn't now, and companies can save malware costs right now by switching to GNU/Linux.

Getting back to the original newsletter, here are some more arguments it makes:

"In some ways, the open source vs. commercial software issue is a political one. Those who believe that 'software just wants to be free' are often (not always) the same folks who like the ideals of socialism, while commercial software supporters tend to be more capitalistic in nature. For some, operating system choice transcends even politics and becomes almost a religious experience. Different strokes for different folks, as the saying goes.

"But for the more pragmatic, who just want to get the work done and keep Total Cost of Operations (TCO) down, it's beginning to look like the old acronym TANSTAAFL ('There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch') might also mean that for businesses, there ain't no such thing as a free Linux."

Is that not smarmy? They can't even be sued, because of the "not always" disclaimer. But the mud fud splats just the same. Imagine how the executives at IBM or Red Hat or Novell feel reading this. IBM a socialist? I think not.

By the way, Microsoft, while attacking GNU/Linux has decided to ape Linus' methods of development in its own closed way:

"Microsoft is creating a central engineering division that will work on the core of its Windows operating system. The Windows Core Operating System Division (COSD), within the company's Platforms Group, will be responsible for the core OS platform, including development, program management and testing.

"To a certain extent, Microsoft's decision to form a division focused on the OS core was driven by its main rival, Linux, said Rob Enderle, principal analyst at Enderle Group.

"'They have been studying Linux extensively. Part of their study has been on how Linux has been able to maintain a high level of consistency in the kernel while groups around it maintain maximum flexibility.'

"By closely controlling the OS core, Microsoft will be able to better ensure that Longhorn will arrive on time and meet its quality and security objectives, Enderle added. He expected Longhorn to come out in the fourth quarter of 2005, provided that a beta becomes available as planned in 2004."

I have a question: If Microsoft's software is so much better for businesses, why is Microsoft aping the Linux kernel development model? Of course, Microsoft will never be able to duplicate what Linus does, because it won't actually imitate the openness. And that's the secret sauce, except it's no secret. Microsoft would like the exceptional results, which they obviously feel are worth having, while refusing to do what you need to do to get them.

Speaking of security, I read something a Microsoft developer admits about MS software and malware:

"The Seamy Side

"Not everything in the software development universe this year has been rosy. For starters, security in Microsoft products still stinks. Oh, sure, it's getting better, but every time I start to get even little complacent, something new happens. Remember the Blaster worm? Then there was the round of patches in February of this year, which revealed that it took Microsoft six months to fix a major security bug at the heart of pretty much every version of Windows. Sure, we keep hearing about how it will be better in future products, but that doesn't really seem to have materialized yet. Meanwhile, I still run across far too many developers who don't even understand the basics of things like SQL injection or cross-site scripting attacks."

This brings us to the Forrester Study comparing security vulnerabilities between Linux and Windows, which you can buy for only $899. Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake and Debian responded to the report in a joint statement yesterday. Here's their Executive Summary:

"Executive Summary:GNU/Linux vendors Debian, Mandrake, Red Hat, and SUSE have joined together to give a common statement about the Forrester report entitled 'Is Linux more Secure than Windows?'. Despite the report's claim to incorporate a qualitative assessment of vendor reactions to serious vulnerabilities, it treats all vulnerabilities as equal, regardless of their risk to users. As a result, the conclusions drawn by Forrester have extremely limited real-world value for customers assessing the practical issue of how quickly serious vulnerabilities get fixed."

I believe that is a polite way of saying that Forrester's methodology was flawed and its results not accurate. In fact, the statement goes on to say that they "are concerned about the correctness of the conclusions made in the report" and the last line says, "Finally, the claim that one software vendor had fixed 100% of their flaws during the period of the report should be incentive for a closer investigation of the conclusions the report presents." I believe you can catch their drift. Anyway, the statement makes clear that before you quote or use the results of the survey, you might want to take a look at the methodology.

This isn't the first time Forrester's methodology has given rise to questions and criticism, nor is it the first time they have presented a controversial pro-Microsoft "study." The last time, the outcries over the study having been paid for by Microsoft inspired Forrester to change its policies. If you can't spend $899 either for the study, I recommend eWeek's report on the study, because it is quite thorough.

I saved the very best FUD for last, though. Open Source has no future in the Phillippines, the headline trumpets:

"'The software development industry in the Philippines will always choose commercial applications over open source applications, unless the open source community comes around and becomes serious in turning open source software into a serious business,' said Joey Gurango, CEO of software development firm Webworks OS."

Isn't that priceless? Where do they find people willing to say such things? Pssst. Red Hat. Novell. IBM. You'd better get serious about business this exact minute, if you want to penetrate the Philippine market someday.

A reader just sent me the url to an interview with David Wheeler on "How useful are 'proprietary vs. open source' TCO studies?" Here's part of what he says about how studies can be skewed, and while he was talking about self-funded studies, I would think this would be true of any study, regardless of funding source, as long as there was a desired outcome going in:

"I doubt that these studies just made up their figures, but the problem with self-funded studies is that it's so easy to skew studies in more subtle ways:

  • "1. A funder can control the study's setup. For example, a funder make itself look good by asking an evaluator to only look at a few specific factors (ignoring others), or only look at specific environments and situations. In the old 1999 Mindcraft studies, for example, Microsoft chose to only evaluate an extremely unrealistic environment favorable to itself.
  • "2. A funder can control exactly how the study measures its results. That can make a significant difference, since different measurement approaches can produce wildly different results. If the study uses samples, it's easy to bias a sample to produce biased results.
  • "3. A funder can also control the study outputs. For example, maybe many factors were measured, or many separate studies were made, and only the favorable ones were reported. Conflicting results could have been suppressed. Or perhaps some of the key controlling variables weren't explained or controlled. The results can even be correctly described in a misleading way (for a humorous example, see the information about dihydrogen monoxide)."

What is really needed, Wheeler says, is "more independent studies that are clearly independent, and not funded directly or indirectly by a vendor."

Here's why I'm so glad to see the joint statement about the Forrester study and why I painstakingly answer all the FUD, day after day after day. The antidote to FUD is to shine a light on it. People can only be fooled if they don't know the truth.


  


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Corrections Here Please
Authored by: PJ on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 09:33 AM EDT
Please put corrections in this thread, so I can find them quickly. Thank you.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 09:42 AM EDT
Is the actual report available? I'd love to see everything they say in
context.

I spent a considerable amount of time speaking with Ms Didio as she worked on
this report, and I have to say that from the text-bites I've seen it's a little
better than I expected. She credits Linux as being the equal of Windows in
terms of capabilities -- which is really pretty shocking coming from a somebody
who has never had anything good to say about Linux before.

I really, really, tried to dissuade her from her ingrained belief that Windows
is attacked more because it is more widely distributed, pointing (repeatedly,
sigh) to the majority position Apache has in web-serving while IIS still has an
almost complete monopoly on web-server attacks.

Anyway, I'd like to see the whole report, if anybody has it. And I continue to
think that constructive engagement of reporters/analysts is valuable. It's just
going to take a few years. Or decades.

Thad Beier

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You missed the really funny part
Authored by: Sgt_Jake on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:04 AM EDT
About half way down in the hints and tips section (same page as the windows is better header), there's a blurb about Windows XP slowdown's... as follows.

From time to time, we get messages from readers saying that XP was fast when they first bought the computer or installed the OS, but it's slowed down over the months or years. I guess that happens to all of us, but luckily with software, sometimes it can be fixed (if all else fails, reformat and reinstall, but that's a rather drastic measure).

AHAAAA HAAA HAAA!~ REFORMAT.... and REINSTALL! ah... [wipes tear] what's the cost of doing that on 10,000 corporate desktops do you think? AHAAHAA*choke*haa [passes out].

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Training... Shmaining...
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:10 AM EDT

These studies always bring up the training problem with a switch from Windows. IMHO, that's a huge red herring.

I strongly doubt that users would have much trouble moving to a new office suite, for example. In fact, they pretty much do that with every new MS Office release. Menus change, options move, defaults change, etc., forcing users to climb a new learning curve with each new version of Office. So this piece of FUD has no basis in reality. And the whole retraining issue is ridiculous in that I haven't seen all that many people actually use Microsoft Word (for example) as much more than a glorified typewriter in the past 15-20 years. Excel gets used as a document generator whenever tabular information needs to be published. (Of course, I suppose that someone might need to sort that list of software license keys by system serial number so who am I to say that's wrong, eh? :-) ) Perhaps a little training would be a good thing.

As for the claim that there are all those Word and Excel macros out there that would have to be converted? Another red herring. IT departments loath those macros anyway and would pretty much love to see them go away. It's hard enough to keep a normal Microosft Windows configuration up and running properly (with all the viruses and worms floating about) without the help desk providing programming support for user-written macros. Macros that could very easily break from one release of Office to the next. Since Word macros became available (about, what, 1990?), I have yet to see an organization that had very many of these. Not enough that would prevent most people in the organization from being able to migrate to another office suite. And, again, having all this business logic tied up in a document or spreadsheet is the bane of the IT group in a company. (At least they are where I'm working now. And the last several companies come to think of it.) What sort of review is ever made of these macros to judge whether they are even producing correct results? Is unreviewed code what a company should be using to run its business? A conversion might actually benefit a company in that all this hidden business logic would finally be exposed to scrutiny.

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Such Entertainment
Authored by: dmscvc123 on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:12 AM EDT
Indemnification for customers - oh no! That's just too funny that Microsoft is
using that for FUD. Microsoft's EULA doesn't take responsibility for anything. I
do understand why there are people and companies that don't like Linux and open
source, but things like this Yankee Group/Microsoft thing aren't even
intellectually honest.

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Lying is what closed source is all about
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:14 AM EDT
The term "FUD" has always been too polite. We should call it for what
it is -- lying. Microsoft, SCO, Didio, Enderle, Lyons. Liars all.

Oh, and the "socialist" stuff. It's actually biblical. Acts 4:32-35 --
especially the parts that "they had all things in common," and
"according as they had need." So-called Christian capitalists always
seem to forget these verses.


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The security issue
Authored by: pyrite on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:14 AM EDT
OpenBSD, for instance, embeds cryptographic software into the distribution,
"because they can", because OpenBSD is based in Canada and Canadian
export laws don't "place any significant restrictions" on the export
of FOSS cryptographic software.

So there are countries where creating OS distributions with this level of
built-in security would be a problem.

I can't find the link now, but I ran across a Swiss bank that had online
banking, but the US, along with a number of other countries, was ineligible to
do online banking (even if you have a Swiss bank account, which is hard to get
in the first place if you live in the US). The reason was that the bank was
using 512-bit encryption, and this was considered "military-grade", or
something like that, so while you could get a Swiss bank account in the US
(which is not that easy), you still couldn't do online banking while you were
located in the US.

So just like with speed limits and the Autobahn in Germany, there is an upper
limit to how much security each government wants its citizens to have. It's
really an issue of the freedom to use cryptography and have secure OS'es, not an
issue of Linux's inability to be that way. Linux can be that way, but there may
be laws in certain countries preventing a vendor such as Red Hat or Novell from
offering a product like that!

Linux is as secure as it needs to be (can be) right now. Can it be more secure?
Yes, absolutely, but there may be laws in certain countries preventing that,
actually.

Complaining about security without addressing the laws that are standing in the
way of more secure OS distributions, laws that prevent binaries from being
compiled while incorporating crypto in certain ways, as well as the reasons for
those types of laws isn't really looking at the whole picture.

Security is a balance - just like we have at the airports post 9/11. Too much
security makes it a pain to fly anywhere, too little security leads to tragedy.
One reason Linux is superior is because the amount of security can be finely
tuned. With Windows, you don't really have a choice. Every security problem is a
potential crisis either already happening or waiting to happen, nearly every
security hole means millions of users are affected or infected. It's like
comparing apples and oranges.

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"Linux is free"
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:16 AM EDT
* puts on tomato-resistant raincoat *

It's not.

Although i wholeheartedly agree with the observation that Linux might be cheaper
than Windows, the statement that it is free is an exageration. Just like windows
linux needs maintenance, needs to be installed, and needs to be updated.

So. One more time: it is not free.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Hydra on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:19 AM EDT

The Inquirer points at another "flak gun session" against the *cough* independent reports *cough*

L'Inq article here, and the main article it refers to is here.

Open Source Industry Australia - Beware of Misleading Reports About Linux and Open Source.

a snippet:

A recent spate of reports which claim to be independent in nature but have been shown to be substantially biased is reducing the likelihood that Australian governments and enterprises can make accurate decisions about the efficacy of Open Source to solve their business needs.

"We recommend to all organisations considering migrating to, or adopting Linux and Open Source software, with analyst reports in hand, that you thoroughly research any claims made by these analysts with respect to the attributes of Linux and Open Source," stated OSIA spokesperson Con Zymaris. "We have found several supposedly independent reports to be have been based on inequitable and unfair assumptions, criteria or scenario choices and sample-data statistical processes."

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Here is some Anti-Fud....
Authored by: NicholasDonovan on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:24 AM EDT
Neither Laura "Did not/did to" Didio nor Dan "Crunchie" Lyons had to the guts to debate me
regarding their incredibly horrible examples of 'journalism'.

I've written to both personally and seeing as neither have the guts to engage in anything resembling a debate,
they leave me no choice but to publish this paper I wrote on some of their pseudo-intellectualist drivel.
www.ionicorp.com/web/content/WatchList/ EditorialistTechnocism.pdf

Or just select here Anti-FUD Technicism

---
Not an Attorney.
Views expressed are my personal opinions and not necessarily those of my employer or its affiliates.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:26 AM EDT
Seesh now i have to figure it at one point it's based off
1000 admins then 24 CIO's

"While corporate customers report that Linux offers exceptional
performance, total cost of ownership lags behind that of Windows and Unix
platforms, states the study based on a survey of 1,000 I.T. administrators
worldwide."

"As might be expected, report author and senior analyst Laura DiDio is
drawing a lot of heat, with some questioning sponsorship of the survey, as well
as her motives. She told NewsFactor that it was an independent effort that
included two-dozen interviews with CIOs and other high-level corporate
officials."

I could be wrong and these could be from 2 independant survays but erm the
diffrence of that 76% number would be ~760 or ~18 little bit of a diffrence not
to mention all
of the "related" cost increases of insurance. Oye and then closer to
the end her comment on support oye not like i had to pay for the
hardware/upgrade/support from windows yeah yeah there subscription plans so
support and if i'm lucky upgrade is covered by one big cheque

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email TCO
Authored by: moogy on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:30 AM EDT
Hey Bill, why don't you ever talk about the Total Cost
of Ownership for email?
from our irc bot...

<moogy> ? email TCO
<grokBot> You thought email was free? Not via M$ OSes. There
are costs in lost productivity installing, upgrading, maintaining
and running virus scanner software. It's a daily routine for
many employees. There is industry wide announcments of the
millions lost every time there's another M$ virus. email *is*
expensive on some OSes.

---
Mike Tuxford - irc.fdfnet.net #Groklaw
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win. --Gandhi

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Enderle: A Group of One
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:34 AM EDT
Anytime Rob Enderle is quoted as being "principal analyst at Enderle
Group" I think it should be noted that he is the ONLY "analyst"
of the Enderle Group and he is admittedly pro-Microsoft.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: mancide on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:34 AM EDT
I sent feedback to WinXPNews about that article. I found it very offensive and full of MS FUD. Especially the part about Open Source advocates being virus writers. I really wish "news outlets" would get the facts straight. Most Windows Virus writers are in-fact, windows programmers, NOT open source programmers. Everyone should write WinXPNews, I think the email is feedback@w inxpnews.com.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:35 AM EDT
"What limited indemnification commercial Linux vendors like Red Hat,
Novell's, SuSE, Hewlett-Packard provide is contingent on customers 'not making
any modifications to the Linux code they distributed to you,' she said."

I can categorically state that this is not true. I was on the phone just last
week with both Red Hat and SuSE, asking about the supportability of highly
customized kernels.

- Red Hat said that, by default, customized kernels would not be covered.
- SuSE said they would support customized kernels on a best-effort basis.
- BOTH of them said they would FULLY SUPPORT customizations that were executed
as a professional services engagement (e.g. you pay Red Hat or SuSE to build
and/or validate your customer kernel for you).

Fruity

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Cranking Out the FUD
Authored by: the_flatlander on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:44 AM EDT
I have a question: If Microsoft's software is so much better for businesses, why is Microsoft aping the Linux kernel development model? Of course, Microsoft will never be able to duplicate what Linus does, because it won't actually imitate the openness. And that's the secret sauce, except it's no secret. Microsoft would like the exceptional results, which they obviously feel are worth having, while refusing to do what you need to do to get them.
Yes, PJ you are quite right. Microsoft will never get it because they just don't get it. It as if they studied Linus and decided their developers need to wear the same kind of shoes and tee-shirts Linus wears, in order to make Windows as good as Linux.

At the risk of helping Bill... Hey! Billy, it isn't just the way the development team is organized - that is forced on them by their circumstances; it's their goal that makes the difference. They are not trying to lock users in. They are not trying to make development easier. They are not trying to maintain control of the market. They are trying to make the best operating sytem that can be made. Period.

Note: That isn't the best for a given price. That isn't the best for a given set of hardware. They aren't building in the features that the marketing department thinks will add appeal to the product when pitched to the CIO. They are trying to make it perfect. (And they are succeeding.) Microsoft is irrelevant to their efforts, in a way that they will never be irrelvant to you, Bill, because the software is just a means to you. For Linus and company the software is the ends.

The Flatlander

If my choice were Windoze or nothing, I opt for nothing. (And I'd consider myself lucky to have the choice.)

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Forrester is a joke
Authored by: ericl on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:45 AM EDT
All their high priced analysts do are collate and extrapolate trend lines--I
remember their 'analysis' of how Apple was going to disappear about five years
ago, or of how internet commerce was going to continue to grow exponentially
(before the crash). Plainly said, there's no original thinking there.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: BigTex on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:47 AM EDT
A great article here:
http://www.cio.com.au/index.php?id=1220288454&fp=16&fpid=0 that
disputes alot of FUD. Myth by Myth

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When does Longhorn come out, Mr. Enderle?
Authored by: Nick on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:53 AM EDT
"By closely controlling the OS core, Microsoft will be able to better ensure that Longhorn will arrive on time and meet its quality and security objectives, Enderle added. He expected Longhorn to come out in the fourth quarter of 2005, provided that a beta becomes available as planned in 2004."

I think Mr. Enderle should read Gartner reports, as they say Longhorn isn't likely to ship before 2007. Guess it will take longer than thought for Microsoft to meet its quality and security objectives. Guess imitating the Linux model of development is not the magic bullet after all.

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Linux v Microsoft Windows Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 10:57 AM EDT
One aspect of this debate that I have never seen discussed is:

Windows security has been substantially improved owing to commercial necessity.
The constant onslaught against Windows systems by malicious persons has forced
Microsoft to make a considerable effort to improve security.

On the other hand, Linux security is much more of an academic issue.

It will not be until Linux has a comparable portion of the market that we will
see similar levels of attack. It will not be until then that we will begin
seeing a similar effort put into improving Linux security.

Thus at the present time we are not comparing like with like. If, depending upon
your viewpoint, Linux security seems to be substatially better than Windows, in
future we should be seeing an ever widening gap.

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Desperation by Microsoft
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:01 AM EDT
I think we should all keep in mind this shows Microsoft's desperation in trying
to come up with a way to combat FLOSS. This is after all a political campaign on
Microsoft's part. I was a politician once and you go negative only when you are
behind.

I brought up this issue with a marketing friend of mine. He said most of this
stuff is not believed by the CIOs in Fortune 1000 companies he knows. They see
it as typical vendor FUD. If you think about it, Microsoft comes across as whiny
and a bit lame in these rather sophomoric attempts at objectiviity.

Thank goodness they do not have a real political pro running their PR campaign.
I have seen some really effective negative campaigns. This one is not that
clever.

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MS goes Open Source !!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:04 AM EDT
Ring th ealarm bells, folks. When Microsoft embraces something, look out.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1562330,00.asp

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Longhorn Beta in 2004?
Authored by: Thomas Frayne on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:04 AM EDT
IIRC Microsoft announced that the Beta would not be until 2005, because
Microsoft had to withdraw engineers to work on Windows XP security problems.

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Does Microsoft indemnify anything anywhere anytime?
Authored by: tz on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:05 AM EDT
I'm quite sure that even the best corporate boilerplate isn't too different in
this regard than the click-through EULA.

Basically it says you're stuck if the software blows up your computer or even
causes more damage. Even if you do sue, you are limited to what you paid for it
(or I guess whatever the installation equivalent from the vendor).

GNU/Linux is use at your own risk, but is generally itself free and the hood is
open, and you have a community looking for and fixing flaws. Gentoo can even
download and recompile itself from source so you can have traceable and almost
tamper-proof code (the source archive would have to be compromised and not
detected).

Windows is also use at your own risk (and maybe worse - some betas include
"don't say anything nasty about M$" provisions), is generally
expensive, and is welded closed so you can't know what is going on in those
DLLs. Or the DLLs that were added because of javascript in the message you just
viewed in Outlook.

This isn't just theoretical. One of the problems with service packs and
mega-patches is that they tend to break things. Imagine a large company going
down because of applying a security patch. Fixing a mail bug can break SQL in
the Windows world. And is Microsoft liable? Do they disclose such side-effects
of patches?

The "Media Player is part of the OS" mentality is also the problem -
FOSS is architected modularly because it is silly to do otherwise. Linus does
the kernel, but Apache does the web server, and there are multiple mailers.
Because Xine and XMMS aren't part of the Kernel (think about it and you should
laugh, but that is M$ says about WM9P), fixing one tends not to affect the
other. There are some systems and services that interact, but the effects are
localized and even problem patches can be fixed, reversed, or worked around.
How do you unpatch Windows? Format C:; reinstall everything; repatch everything
to N-1.

A corrupted linux system can usually be mounted by Knoppix or one of the other
run-from-cd distros and be recovered, or the data saved off.

My current dual-athlon Linux system started as a 486 VLB, and I just kept
upgrading the kernel and the hardware alternately, and moving the disk or the
image as needed. This would be like going from Windows 3.1 to XP with three
interspersed motherboard changes without ever reformatting or reinstall. And I
can mount them on my old Alpha, or my Mac (With Ext2 or LinuxPPC), or even my
Sharp Zaurus!. Then there's LTSP...

Worse, you can recover some Windows system with bootable Linux CDs, but even
putting a working windows drive into an existing windows system can screw things
up (Maybe Sousaphone - I mean Longhorn - will have mount points instead of drive
letters). If drive D: ever changes, you apps might not find their data.

GNU/Linux makes as few assumptions as possible about the environment so it works
even when you do things like move a bootable hard drive from a 486 laptop to an
Opteron server.

Windows sometimes gets confused with "new hardware" that you simply
changed ports.

This is due to the different approaches - Mono(po)lithic v.s. Modular as much as
Commercial v.s. FOSS, but Bill Gates has stated that the business model drives
the software architecture. And as I've mused, it is probably the same for FOSS.
But modular is almost always better (ESRs Art of Unix programming goes into
this further).

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FUD - Microsoft Indemnification?
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:08 AM EDT
Can someone point me to a web site explaining the Microsoft indemnification
policy?

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Dodo's Universe
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:20 AM EDT
It seems to me that she's only talking about a complete and instantaneous conversion to Linux from Windows - ie, the idea of converting a whole company over to Linux in One Fell Swoop is the basis for all the conclusions in the "report", and to some extent, they are fair conclusions to reach in this sort of extreme case.

The thing is, she neatly avoids the concept of gradually changing over.

If she were to talk about this, I think everything would come crashing down.

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OT: Sunbelt Software vs. GFI
Authored by: Gnostalgia on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:21 AM EDT
Sunbelt Software has a larger purpose as well in spreading the FUD -- one of
their biggest rivals for antispam software, GFI, has recently announced they
will be porting their entire product line to Linux. Sunbelt's entire strategy
centers around Windows-centric software. They've also sent out some...odd
emails in the past attacking GFI for various weird things.

What this means is that you'll have email and network management tools for
Windows and Linux that you can run ON Linux, and integrate with Active
Directory. No need to pay for a Windows Server license just to run some
managment tools.

Disclaimer: I'm just a happy user of GFI products.

You can read about GFI's Linux strategy here:

http://www.gfi.com/news/en/gfilinuxsupport.htm

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I responded to Didio's article
Authored by: Thomas Frayne on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:30 AM EDT
I made the following points:
As pointed out, the study left out a few things:
1. Savings of down time at every Windows failure and reboot to apply patches.
2. Savings from switching to FOSS programs that run under Windows. A full switch to Linux is not necessary.
3. Savings from avoiding Windows upgrades with more and more onerous and more and more costly Microsoft licenses, and with dropping of support as the penalty for not upgrading.
4. Savings from avoiding multiple Windows upgrade cycles on Microsoft's schedule, not your own.
5. Savings from avoiding the risk that Microsoft will sue its own customers the way that SCOG is suing its customers.
6. Savings from competitive bidding for support, and in-house fixes for problems that the vendor can't or won't fix.

The Microsoft sponsored study is old. There is a recent report of a company that has partially switched to Linux, expects to complete the switch in May, and expects to save hundreds of millions of dollars over the next five years.

Of course, that company won't need Microsoft's next buggy system or application with an extortionate license, so the savings will continue indefinitely.
I was probably mistaken about the Microsoft study being old. I had not heard about the new study, and thought that Didio was just repeating old news. I'll be happy to see the new study, if there is one.

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TCO studies migrating from windows to Linux
Authored by: Sparkchaser on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:34 AM EDT
While there have been a number of studies attempting to show that the costs of
switching from a windows environment to a Linux environment would be
prohibitively expensive, has anybody at all ever attempted to investigate the
costs of switching from Linux to windows?
I would think this would shed some light on the true overall differences.

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If that doesn't work, blame somebody

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:38 AM EDT
I'm glad to see CIO magazine are getting involved in this - I just hope they make a worthwhile contribution.

Not quite 18 months ago I was researching information in just this area. CIO's web site had an article comparing the TCO of MS on Intel and Linux on IBM Z series.The conclusion was that the IBM/Linux solution won hands down.

On closer examination I had to admit that the argument (as presented in the articel) was flawed, largely because figures had been pulled out of thin air for costs (on both sides).

In particular it was obvious that the major component of TCO is often the cost of unscheduled downtime. By playing with a spreadsheet I got a Linux on Intel TCO that looked remarkably like the MS on Intel one if unscheduled downtime was ignored.

The point I am coming to is that there was a report earlier this year (by IDG if I remember correctly) that pointed out the TCO studies are highly subjective and erratic simply because of the difficulties of -

estimating the amount of unscheduled downtime

and

estimated the cost per hour of unscheduled downtime.

Thus any comparison of TCO is pointless without a specification of both the cost per hour of unscheduled downtime and the amount of unscheduled downtime expected.

The first figure is also going to vary quite widely with the nature of the organisation and it is all to easy to get an apple and orange job.

I theink that the best response the community can make to FUD like the latest DiDiot stuff is to point out the variability and question the applicability without the downtime costs being included.

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Six months?
Authored by: Rob M on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:41 AM EDT
Then there was the round of patches in February of this year, which revealed that it took Microsoft six months to fix a major security bug at the heart of pretty much every version of Windows.

What about the security bug that has existed, since at least Windows 3.1 and probably earlier?

Any chance of getting that fixed? It's still there...

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Warranty? What warranty?
Authored by: wvhillbilly on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:43 AM EDT
From the Didiot:
For large companies, lack of a product warranty is a non starter...
In all the years I have worked with Micro$oft products I have yet to see any warranty of any kind on any software issued by M$, other than for defects on the physical media the software is distributed on. The EULA specifically disclaims all warranties of any kind, express or implied, explicitly denies all liability for any problems caused by the software, and IIRC calls on you, the licensee, to indemnify them in the event any legal disputes arise over the software.

Where in thunder does Didio get this warranty jazz from?

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From the Philippines - good Linux desktop article
Authored by: Arthur Marsh on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:01 PM EDT

Linuxtoday.com references a Linux Journal article from the Philippines on using a thin client - fat server approach to evaluate and use Linux on the desktop without writing to the hard disks on the client machines.

Read the comments following the article in the Linux Journal as one of the authors goes into more details on the hardware used.

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In TCO, Total means Total
Authored by: technoCon on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:15 PM EDT
This stuck out in my mind just now:

"Did DiDio factor in the cost of time spent dealing with security problems
in the Windows operating system? The cost of a company meltdown from a virus or
worm?"

Whenever any TCO study comes out, some enterprising Linux type should extract
the cost of time spent cleaning worms/virii. I think that statistic will be
telling.

This cost is something with which most Windoze users have direct experience. It
serves as a litmus for the quality of the entire study. If it doesn't fit
reality, it can be seen as mere M$ FUD.

I *still* want to see a Knoppix-based distro to clean Windoze systems and then
say, "oh, while i'm here, I can install Linux and you'll never have this
problem again."

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Microsoft is holding the losing hand
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:21 PM EDT
Microsoft is trying to pull off an "Apple", referring to Apple
Computer's
successful program to port the legacy Mac OS 9 (and earlier) to a UNIX
like OS loosely based on NextStep. Microsoft is an imitator.

Microsoft is doing it wrong on many levels. Their efforts to "embrace
and extend" weigh them down with undocumented, incomplete, and
flawed APIs. Microsoft has created a vast number of unpluggable security
holes. Nothing Microsoft does in the future can undo this damage at the
API level of their OS. They must throw out some APIs and redesign others.

Microsoft is going to break a large number of applications with their
releases over the next several years. In their typical style, they will hide
the facts and extend the time window for customer pain.

2009 is a more reasonable year for a stable, useable release of Longhorn.
Linux looks like a sure thing compared to what Microsoft has planned
for its computer illiterate user community. Microsoft will bleed cash before
they can ship a stable, useable Longhorn. Old applications will not run
on a new, secure Longhorn.

Watch for broken applications after every major Microsoft release for three
or more years. Windows 2003 will be Microsoft's OS for a long time.

Microsoft is trying to hide these facts from their customers and lawmakers.
They are blaming the whole software community when the problem always
has been Microsoft's business practices.

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Indemnification = arrested development?
Authored by: mojotoad on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:25 PM EDT
There's something I've been wondering lately about the big push for indemnification.

Could the concept be an end-run attack on the diversity and vitality of the Linux development pool?

In other words, would the Microsofts of the world like Linux business customers to be hobbled in their ability to contribute fixes and new development back to Linux, thereby slowing its development rate? Hence all the "no modification" clauses in these indemnification spiels?

In reality, if this were the case, I'm not sure it would work -- i.e., you aren't supposed to modify your production copy, but there's nothing stopping you from pushing changes back into the development tree so that they eventually show up in the distributions.

Does anyone else think it's possible that this could be a motive for pushing indemnification? We should keep an eye on that "no modification" phrasing as we see more of it to see if there's some attempts at obfuscation going on -- i.e., not forbidding Linux development but insinuating it with verbal hand-waving.

Cheers,
Matt

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Linux is good for business?
Authored by: tcranbrook on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:26 PM EDT
Boston seems to think so. This article suggest that Linux is driving an economic revival in their area.
    Boston area venture capital firms are jumping on the open source bandwagon, funding companies that are experimenting with new business models based on packaging, servicing, and supporting free computer software rather than the traditional software licensing model. And a growing number of area software companies are writing programs that run on Linux as well as proprietary systems, or ''blending" open source and proprietary elements in developing applications -- a mix-and-match strategy that was uncommon just five years ago.

    It all may be adding up to another technology boomlet for the Boston area, the birthplace of the Free Software Foundation, which launched the open source movement almost 20 years ago. The movement now is as global as the technology that spawned it. But if it had an intellectual capital, it would be Boston.

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Freedom is Priceless
Authored by: groovemaneuver on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:43 PM EDT
I, too, am getting a bit tired of all these silly TCO "studies" -- if
I conducted a "study" like this, I'd get kicked out of grad school for
not having learned anything about sound research methodology.

Anyway, my point is that freedom is priceless (as in no amount of money could
ever compensate for a lack thereof). Linux to me (and to most people that fall
in love with it) represents freedom more than a "without-cost"
solution to computing.

Although I believe all this TCO FUD to be a steaming pile of rubbish, I use
Linux for what it allows me to do (i.e., anything), _not_ because I got it for
free. That said, I'd never be able to afford a Microsoft solution to the
services I offer on my home and office networks. TCO? Score one more for Linux.

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Ownership you said ?
Authored by: Azmodan on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:44 PM EDT
We shouldn't forget to point out that Total Cost of Ownership is a badly chosen
expression to speak about about the cost of installing Windows. You hardly
"own" it according to it's license.

You can't own Linux either but it's license don't permit the copyright holder to
see what it on your computer or to take control of it like the Windows EULA
does.

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SCO : Proving again and again that human stupidity truly is infinite.

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Sunbelt == Scientology
Authored by: turambar386 on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:45 PM EDT

I think it is worth noting once again, because it may cast some light on the credibility of this study that Sunbelt's owner, Best Wishes Stu is a member of the cult of Scientology.

A part of all cult member's training is learning how to lie. Here is an example of a LRH directive on how to lie to the press, for example.

Why would a Scientologist want to lie about Linux and open source? For one thing, since the cult has not had much luck controlling the Internet, it tries its best to control what its members can see on the Internet.

Microsoft and its rights management may help the Co$ in this endeavour, whereas the open nature of Linux will not.

Just a guess is all. Regardless of the motive, I wouldn't trust a Scientologist to tell me the colour of the sky.


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Why all of these cost studies are flawed
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT
I run a enterprise linux workstation solution and what kills me is the amount of
misconception that comes about when talking about TCO in this environment.

The most important thing to consider is that the proper way to deploy linux
desktops is not the same as the windows model. The Windows deployment model is
based on maximizing profit not efficency and maintainability.

In a enterprise environmnet Linux is deployed thin client and I can attest that
being a system administrator on one of these networks is like being a Maytag
repair man. Support calls are very few and far in between. Deployment of new
workstations is a zero labor job and the client cost is at most 300 dollars.

My users are metal benders and none of them have had any sort of training. Yet
they have no problem running software that I place a icon on their desktop for
them.

RedHat advanced server can be bought for what maybe 800 bucks but you have to
remember I am serving up to 200 desktops off of this single machine. So the
actual client cost for the operating system is FOUR BUCKS. In our actual
environment it is actually 8 dollars because we are running on a redhat cluster
which makes desktop availability a five nines deal.

And on top of all of this I can roll out a 500 workstation enterprise migration
in a single day. You might say yea right but it is true, think cdrom boot thin
client. And in the event the rollout fails you remove the cd's and everything is
back to normal.

Now lets talk about admin costs..I have no doubt that I can
admin at least 2000 clients by myself with all of my nifty little scripts. We
run in a mixed environment and the windows side of the environment takes 1
person for each 100 workstations. They spend at least 80% of their day removing
spyware and virus infections and fighting software installs and flaky stuff.

Just to give you a idea I am running three hundred clients on two servers and
guess how many support calls I had last week? Just one somebody needed my to put
a icon for a app on their desktops.

I know, I am just preaching to the choir!

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: tintak on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:49 PM EDT
Well done PJ. It seems that Groklaw is having an influence on the influencers!

Must be that M$ reads Groklaw, and has issued an edict that from now on TCO
will not stand for "Total Cost of Ownership" but
"But for the more pragmatic, who just want to get the work done and keep
Total Cost of Operations (TCO) down......."
I remember a poster pointing out that Total Cost of Ownership comparisons are
meaningless against M$ as you can not "own" their software. It is
just hired out to you at whatever rate the market will stand.

This is the way that M$ gets to influence public opinion.....by using their PR
budget to change even the expressions the public use. How long before FUD
becomes, "Flawless Usability and Dependable" in the common
perception.


Yeah... "Linux FUD.....Flawless Usability and Dependable"





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.ppt . .. ... ..... .......
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 12:49 PM EDT
American business bless it's PowerPointed little head.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Jude on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 01:02 PM EDT
...unless the open source community comes around and becomes serious in turning open source software into a serious business...

Umm, is this some kind of code that means "Red Hat et al have to learn
to pay kickbacks to the people who make software purchase decisions"?

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: grayhawk on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 01:29 PM EDT
Beware of any study that even hints at hardware costs on the linux side. Linux
runs on existing hardware and most companies have some very old hardware on
which XP won't run but Linux will. If the study applies any costs to hardware
upgrade for Linux it is bogus.

As for cost savings check out....

An interesting story about how a city of 900,000 people is migrating 140 Unix
servers to Linux, saving $450,000 CDN a year (75% of the Unix operating cost)
and performing six times faster.

Here is the link to the story....

http://channels.lockergnome.com/news/archives/009500.phtml

Here is an interesting take....

http://www.economist.com/business/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1699434

I have read many reports from CIO's that have made the switch and all have said
that they have saved large sums of money going from NT/Windows to Linux.
Regardless of the results of these firms that do studies the reports from CIO's
that have made the switch flies in the face of their findings.

Most firms that do studies have never ever gone in and taken a real company with
existing hardware and made the change and then compared the cost to say going
from NT to W2003. And taken the same company with NT and gone Linux. In most
cases they think that you need to upgrade the hardware to make the conversion
when going Linux which is not so. Any Linux specialist can upgrade an existing
shop with no hardware changes using the appropriate flavour of Linux for what is
on hand.

Firms that do studies always work in the world of the ideal and never in the
real world. Most companies don't work the way they predict.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Andy on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 01:46 PM EDT
Indemnification covers much more than protection from litigation, DiDio said. It also shields companies from events, whether it's a national disaster or outage. For large organizations, lack of a product warranty is a non-starter, she said.
Admittedly, I have not read the Microsoft EULA in a while (as I have not installed a Windows machine in a while, which I think is the only place to actually view the EULA, oddly enough), but did Microsoft recently start offering product warranties? And if they have, is that why people are switching TO Windows in droves?

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MS Comparisons
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 01:50 PM EDT
I especially like the MS ad that compares running Linux on an IBM z900 mainframe
to running Windows on a 900MHz Intel machine.

They format the captions under the graph so that the digits "900" are
on the same line.

prteacher

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT
Here is a story that is quite different about switching to linux on a large scale. Link

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Nick Bridge on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT
Ms. DiDio argues that two years down the road, when Linux is more popular, it will have just as many problems with security issues as Microsoft.

It is my personal opinion that in the many factors concerning security, GNU/Linux will come out on top.

One of the most pressing security concerns today lies not within the kernel, but in the applications, which spread virii. My argument here is simple: When GNU/Linux is the leading operating system on corporate desktops, the applications will still be coming from many sources. Thus it is much more difficult to create a virus or a worm which would spread as far or wide.

The biggest security issue, in my opinion, is simply lack of diversity.

In a monopolistic world, one vulnerability will affect most hosts, ensuring that it is easiy for a worm or a malicious person, to find another vulnerable host.

Whereas, when host are running a variety of different (standards based and compatible) software, it is much more difficult for a worm to find a vulnerable host to spread to.

In addition to this, despite public statements to the contrary, security will never be the top priority among proprietary software companies.

This is obviously not the case with free software.

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Re: The NT Vs. Linux Kernel... For the last time.....
Authored by: NicholasDonovan on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 02:11 PM EDT
Folks, Security is a Process. Not a product. Anyone who has spent time in the
trenches realizes this.

Regarding the NT/XP/WhateverYouWantToCallItToday kernel however...

Irregardless there are multiple things horribly wrong with the WinNT/XP kernel.
You could say I know a thing or two about kernels as that is what my company
does is write various kernel implementations.

Here are just three major issues.

1) It's a single user system. It was not designed with multi-usability.

2) It's a microkernel implemented as a monolithic one. Even Linux (Which is
monlithic by design) is more modular in its implementation of libraries.

3) It's a mime-based OS which does not use magic number file status
recognition.



BTW... Please spare me the line about Linux not having the 'Market share' and
that's why it hasn't been tested. Linux is being used in the Fortune 100 for
Mission critical functions such as procurement, SLA fulfillment, multi-national
banking transactions etc.

I know because my company has put many Linux servers into some of the worlds
largest banks and financial institutions.

Linux is being used by everthing from the Space Program to National Security.

The old line about 'Linux isn't used as much and that's why windows is
suffering all these security problems' is an enderle/symantic/ballmer/didio
(Name your clueless
pundit) Microsoft Zealot arguement, which falls flat when you consider the
number of IIS servers which run Microsoft which get hacked compared to the
number of Apache Web Servers running Linux which get hacked.

Apache outnumbers IIS by a wide margin. Again, the argument just doesn't hold
water.

By the by... Most financial institutions that I've ever seen run Unix or Linux
for their mission critical functions, not Windows.


As far as rogue packages making it into your kernel or distro, it was tried by
someone a few months ago at kernel.org and it was caught.

Why was it caught? Because of the PROCESS that is security. There is no such
product as Microsoft Magic 1.0

Software is an inherently scientific endevour which means you must use the
scientific method (which includes open peer review) to create software which is
efficacious.

That's not to say that the introduction of malicious code couldn't happen,
however it is less likely with a scientific methodology.

Anything else is just wishfull thinking and clever marketing.



Cheers,


Nick


---
Not an Attorney.
Views expressed are my personal opinions and not necessarily those of my
employer or its affiliates.

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Didio is an advertiser
Authored by: artp on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 02:11 PM EDT
Given that she cranks out these infomercials for Microsoft, with no
disclaimers, perhaps the route to take is to call the FTC about her false
advertising?

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Core Operating System Division...
Authored by: math geezer on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT
So Bill did learn something from Judge Thomas Jackson.
Bill said it couldn't be done, but here he is effectivly splitting the company
into two pieces!
This will make it much easier the next time MS are ordered to divide the company
into independent divisions.

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warranties and such
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 02:47 PM EDT
Microsoft warranties and such are very weak and amount
to them guaranteeing very little specific functionality
and performance. Their indemnification, in practice,
is also probably worthless, but their cash position makes
it unlikely that predators would go after end users.

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The Forrester Study
Authored by: magic on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 03:07 PM EDT
Just wondering if there was a way we could take up a donation (or something),
and get the Forrester Study for PJ to comment on here?


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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 03:09 PM EDT
You know whats funny about all these TCOs? They always specify larges amounts
to have users retrained to use Linux. Where do they get that from?

As I see it, any person who has used a computer regularly for a while should
need no more then a brief demostration of the particular locations of various
items in linux, no more, to be able to use linux in their workplace.

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Thanks Laura, I didn't know MS gave me flood insurance
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 03:36 PM EDT
But please note I'll be invoicing you if they don't process my claim promptly
since I assume you indemnified me for every possible event when you wrote that
analysis :)

...

Back to the real world, how can anyone take that seriously? That is just the
stupidest thing I've ever heard. It would be surprisingly stupid coming from a
poorly-educated high school student. So why should a technical analyst be able
to get away with saying it without people laughing?

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93% of IT directors prefer Linux!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 03:41 PM EDT
""Around a third of the respondents said they felt Linux is more reliable than Windows; 31 percent said their perception was that Linux is more secure than Windows; 29 percent feared being locked into an all Microsoft environment."

Let's see ... 33 plus 31 plus 29 equals 93, therefore NINETY-THREE percent of IT directors prefer Linux. Right?

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The obvious answer to FUD concerning indemnification
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 03:54 PM EDT
It's really a shame that the Timeline incident isn't brought up more often whenever somebody mentions Microsoft and Indemnification.

The point being, that indemnification doesn't necessarily cover what people think it covers. Timeline has grounds to sue anyone that implements affected versions of Microsoft's SQLServer in a particular (and customized) fashion.

Hence, there is no difference in kind between the legal risks of using proprietary software and using open software. The only difference is (possibly) one of extent.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 03:56 PM EDT
Great story. Here are some links for the bookmarks: google news searches on
'Laura Didio' and 'Yankee Group'. YG certainly does appear to be somewhat
biased.

<a
href="http://news.google.com/news?q=Laura+Didio">http://news.google
.com/news?q=Laura+Didio</a>
<a
href="http://news.google.com/news?q=Yankee+Group">http://news.googl
e.com/news?q=Yankee+Group</a>

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: blacklight on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 04:02 PM EDT
"'The software development industry in the Philippines will always choose
commercial applications over open source applications, unless the open source
community comes around and becomes serious in turning open source software into
a serious business,' said Joey Gurango, CEO of software development firm
Webworks OS."

Joey, feel free to go your way while the Open Source community goes its own way.
And don't bother selling your services to me.

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Article: SCO Should Win: Week Two
Authored by: greyhat on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 05:11 PM EDT
Didn't see this article posted yet, so here it is:

"SCO Should Win: Week Two"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1738&ncid=738&e=9&am
p;u=/zd/20040407/tc_zd/123817

What would SCO do without Yahoo!?

---
McBride: The truth will come out in the courtroom.

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Want some Linux FUD?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 05:27 PM EDT
Go check out the new Channel9 at Microsoft

http://channel9.msdn.com

This is a quote from their rules of the site...

"You will not change anything by taking on legal or financial issues, you
will only shock the system, spook the passengers, and create a negative
situation"

I think someone should remind Microsoft this only because they ask of it from
others.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: eamacnaghten on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 05:29 PM EDT
I have installed many systems, most of them I replaced older ones.

The introduction of something new is ALWAYS painful and for some more than
others. However, most people (companies?) do so about once every five years.

Going from Windows to newer Windows will always be easier than going from
Windows to newer Linux, however, the same applies the other way. Also once
people have started down the Linux route they are likely to stay there.

Sufficient number will tranfer. As a rule people like freedom, and once tasted
it in Linux they will not want to go back. As it becomes more deployed it will
become more accepted.

Recently someone needed to modify and send me a word document, but his laptop
got hosed, and although he had a copy of his document files, he was having
problems obtaining a replacement MS-Office to install. I suggested that he
could download OpenOffice as a temporary measure and get the documents out using
that. He had not heard of it, but went to the web site and downloaded it. Not
only did he get the document out but he was also very happy with OOo, especially
the price! As a result MS have one less MS-Office user and OOo has one more.
No doubt he will tell a friend......

Tranfer to Open Source will be slow, and many will find it inconvenient and put
it off, but have no doubt, it WILL happen....

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Transferred my wife to Linux from win98 - no problem
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 05:53 PM EDT
My wife is fairly computer illiterate. (I'm just plain illiterate and need a
spell checker on Groklaw.)

She transferred to Mandrake from Win98 with less than 5 minutes of instruction.
She even likes it, maybe because she knows I like it.

-anon

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TCO Study flaws.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 06:05 PM EDT
One of my favourite irritations about some these TCO studies is the time scale
used. Foregive me if I appear a bit cynical, but how long was Laura Didios study
based over, was it the Microsoft upgrade cycle, how many sets of license fees
did MS get, my guess is one set.

Training. The difference in training costs in the study can only really refer to
the initial retraining. On going training would be pretty much the same, so the
time the initial costs a written off over is important. You can ignore these
costs altogether in the long term. Or if you prefer try comparing like with like
by studying the cost of moving from Linux to Windows.

Reduced administration fees are, as has been stated elsewhere, a significant
benefit from Linux. Again these savings accumulate over time.

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That Microft Indemnification
Authored by: Nuke on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 06:08 PM EDT
The biggest growing concern for Linux in the business world, however, comes from the failure of vendors to indemnify their products.....

Indemnification ... also shields companies from events, whether it's a national disaster or outage. For large organizations, lack of a product warranty is a non-starter, she [DiDio] said


Several posters have questioned whether MS do in fact offer any "indemnification" as DiDio impies, and recollected only seeing disclaimers when they last installed Windows.

So am I the only one here who ever bought a shrink wrapped Windows? And kept the box and contents?

I just got out my NT v4 box and read the agreement in the paperwork, UK version. OK, its old hat, but I would be suprised if it has changed radically since then. Here are a couple of extracts :

"CUSTOMER REMEDIES - Microsoft's entire liability ... shall be be, at Microsoft's option, either (a) return of the price paid or (b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE ..."

"NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES - .... MICROSOFT AND ITS SUPPLIERS SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY OTHER DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING ... DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF BUSINESS PROFITS, BUSINESS INTERUPTION, LOSS OF BUSINESS INFORMATION, OR OTHER PECUNARY LOSS) ..."

There you go, like a quick photo processor who says if they toast your wedding photos, you only get a new film. The shouting is all Microsoft's, BTW.

Also, I recollect reading on some other MS software agreement that it should not be used for air traffic control systems, life support systems or nuclear facilities. That interests me because I happen to be a nuclear power engineer, and part of my job is to approve the engineering aspects of projects such as control and instrumentation of nuclear plant. Sleep easy in your bed, Bill, I would not allow your software to be used for anything of the sort!

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Initial reaction
Authored by: inode_buddha on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 06:41 PM EDT
and then I've *got* to go back and re-read all this:

The Emperor Has No Clothes!

---
"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman

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OT - SCO asks for delay in IBM trial date
Authored by: ddumitru on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT
Infoworld has a story that SCO has asked for a delay in the trail date by five months.

http://www.in foworld.com/article/04/04/07/HNscodelay_1.html

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: ine on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 07:31 PM EDT
"[Linux's] total cost of ownership lags behind that of Windows and Unix
platforms"

I had to laugh when I read that. Poor cheap little Linux lagging behind, trying
to catch up with expensive Windows and Unix. "We keep trying to cost
more", said the Debian maintainers, "but it just keeps being free - no
matter how many more packages we add.".

Perhaps DiDio and company *meant* that the economy (not cost) of using Linux is
lagging behind that of Windows and Unix platforms. But that is not what they
said!

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: british on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 07:54 PM EDT
A bit off topic but saw this cracker at the bottom of the page on the winxp site
:)

XP Slowdown

From time to time, we get messages from readers saying that XP was fast when
they first bought the computer or installed the OS, but it's slowed down over
the months or years. I guess that happens to all of us, but luckily with
software, sometimes it can be fixed (if all else fails, reformat and reinstall,
but that's a rather drastic measure).

Some known issues that cause XP to slow down:

* Using fast user switching. See:
http://www.winxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=040406TI-Switching
* Installing some fixes and patches. See:
http://www.winxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=040406TI-Installing
* Installing certain application programs (Norton AV can cause this)
* A fragmented disk
* A virus
* A pest or spyware



---
Lee Welburn

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Linux Predicts The Weather
Authored by: bsm2003 on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 08:24 PM EDT
http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/5145/1/

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It's funny, laugh
Authored by: star-dot-h on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 09:11 PM EDT
"I guess it's a struggle to make a free operating system look like it costs
more than Microsoft's software. No doubt she did her best."

I just can't get enough if this writing - keep it up.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: parsnips on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 09:39 PM EDT
Speaking of FUD there's an amazing interview on news.com with The Balmer.
The style is (here's a surprise) exactly the same as our friend Daryl... news
from an alternate universe.

http://news.com.com/2008-1012_3-5186219.html?
part=rss&tag=feed&subj=news

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Glenn on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 09:39 PM EDT
This is no longer FUD. It is CRUD. Cheap Regurgitated Unsubstantiated Dross.

Glenn

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 07 2004 @ 11:48 PM EDT
Unbelievable, bottom line what he said:

Mormons (Morons in SCO's case) vs Suits
David vs Goliath
Little vs Big
Utah Company vs NY Company
West Coast vs East Coast

Hinting that SCO is going to strike any potential juror that has a hint of
technology experience.

The truth as the SCO lawyers would like to twist it but not the absolute
truth.

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Finally, the FUD is irrelevant
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 12:19 AM EDT
First of all, thank you to PJ and everyone else here. I haven't had so much fun
reading about MS since the accounts of Bill Gates' deposition or Jim Allchin's
video proof at the US anti-trust trial. I'm continually impressed with
everyone's ability to sort out the complex issues and language of the MS/SCO
adventure for people like me with no real legal knowledge.

I do feel for a few reasons that the current blizzard of FUD against open source
and Linux in particular is irrelevant even though it has worked so well for MS
in the past.

The first reason is that Linux does not need the income of increasing sales in
order to fund continuing development. So discouraging some customers here and
there will have far less effect than it may have had with DR-DOS, for example.
I imagine that keeps Bill awake many nights.

I work as a programmer for a mid to largish US corporation who, I'm sure, would
prefer to remain nameless. I asked the head of technology a year ago if we had
any plans to try out Linux. His response was essentially that we prefer to
stick with the dominant vendors in each area. This was disappointing at first,
especially as it would be useful to learn from a small trial impelmentation and
also because it could get us a better deal from MS. But on reflection I think
he's mostly right. We're not in the technology business and putting significant
resources into devleoping a platform which does not yet have all the pieces that
we would need might not make good sense. In tight times it's best to stick to
one's core competency. I expect behind all the ridiculous hyperbole and
questionable accuracy that this is what many of these FUD studies are really
finding. As one analyst reported a customer said, it's a case of preferring the
devil you know as long as you can.

While several US corporations like IBM and Red Hat are heavily involved in the
development of Linux, it's adoption will not be led by US corporations -- most
US companies not in the technology business are and perhaps should be strictly
followers.

The adoption of Linux and open source generally will be led by those who have no
choice and thus greater willingness to be pioneers. One group with no real
choice includes school districts and municpalities which simply can't afford MS
software. It includes the governments and citizens of developing nations like
Peru, Inda and Malaysia. As others have pointed out the cost goes far beyond
what's covered in the TCO studies aimed at corporations.

Another large group without a choice, and with considerably more clout than the
first group, include almost all technology companies and governments such as
China and Japan.

In all of their antitrust tribulations MS has maintained that it is just the
whining of competitors unable to succeed on their own. As has been pointed out
before, this is exactly what antitrust law is about. It is only about benefit
to consumers to the extent that healthy competition is a benefit. Again, IANAL,
but in some aspects anti-trust law provides some of the basic rules for
conducting business. In boxing there are rules -- no hitting below the belt,
breaking clinches when the ref intervenes, etc. MS comes into the ring kicking,
biting, spitting, gouging eyes and whenever the ref or the opponent cries foul,
MS claims they're just afraid of a real fight. MS has consistently displayed an
inability to understand or a complete contempt for the most basic laws of
business behavior.

As a direct result of this kind of behavior toward partners, competitors and
customers revealed by the US anti-trust trial MS has had immense difficulty
breaking into new markets. After years of development and bragging, MS has had
only a trial run of their TV set top box software with one cable company in
Portugal that lasted no more than 6 months. Rumor has it that Paul Allen's
cable company may use MS software, but after about 5 billion dollars invested in
cable companies that's all MS has to show for it. The picture, for MS, is only
slightly better in the cell phone business now that Motorola and Samsung offer
at least one MS smartphone but primarily MS seems to be relying on contract
manufaturers. One account has it that the Xbox was born when the head of Sony
laughed at Gates for trying to convince him to build the Playstation 2 on
Windows and called him a fool in print. Even with their promise of draconian
DRM no record label or movie studio will sign an exclusive agreement with MS.
Companies in any business that MS might covet and who have paid attention are
absolutely refusing to let MS come between them and their customers.

So all of the major consumer electronic companies have banded together to
support a common Linux based platform. Japan, China and Korea (I don't know
much about Asian politics but I believe that these three countries don't often
agree on much) have banded together to support a common interface to Linux that
will be available throughout Asia.

For the govenments involved, particularly China, this profound distrust of MS is
tied to security as well, and that not the virus/worm type. At least a year ago
and perhaps more an article I read about MS included comments from a MS sales
exec about China, I believe, in a scratch-your-head, aint-that-goofy sort of way
that what he was hearing was the belief that MS got such a slight slap on the
wrist in the anti-trust settlement because they promised the DoJ a back door
into any Windows system. While it's not possilbe to prove that, it certainly
sounds in character for MS and the post 9/11 Bush administration as well. More
significantly, unless MS gives customers the source code to compile themselves,
there is absolutely no way for MS to prove that this isn't the case.

Linux adoption will be led, then, by companies and governments which can't
afford the MS tax and which fear letting their businesses or their countries be
dependent on MS software and good will. For these groups, adopting Linux is a
matter of survival.

In addition to being way beyond being influenced by clumsy FUD these groups may
also be past being influenced by IP court cases. Suppose MS comes up with a
patent or copyright which can lock together Internet Explorer, Outlook and all
web content built with MS tools leaving everyone else unable to access it. I
would imagine the Asian consortium would go right on developing and basing their
businesses on the open source equivlaents.

The hard right is a major consituent of the Bush administration; they were
essential to his election and will be even more essential to his re-election.
Many in this consituency passionately believe that China is one of the world's
worst human rights violators. Again, I know less of Asian politics than I
should and my point here is not to discuss human rights but rather to suggest
that despite this strong commitment US trade policy with China has not changed
signifcantly to the best of my knowledge since the Clinton administration. The
other major consituent of the Republican party and the Democratic party as well
for that matter is big business. US corporations desperately need the new
markets offered by developing nations and of these China is far and away the
largest and most important. So if MS software prevents US corporations from
communicating with Asian partners and customers, those same corporations which
are now the targets of the FUD campaign will flee the MS sandbox so fast it will
be a whirlwind.

Should enough palms get greased that the US supreme court decides that SCO
actually owns a patent on anything that even looks like an operating system, by
golly, two things will happen. First MS will be waiting outside the courtroom
door with a check to SCO for, say, 5 billion dollars 'cause they don't want to
be on the wrong side of anyone's IP, no siree! And the second will be a global
trade war. Again, for the Asian companies and governments this is a matter of
survival. And if that means shaking the WTO or international IP agreements then
I think that is what will happen. The same US business response suggested in
the previous paragraph will
also apply here. After all how many businesses will be willing to go through a
major global trade war under the banner of 'the devil you know'?

The real danger here is not that the FUD will deter adoption of open source and
Linux. All the FUD and the surrender of Sun are really just a circling of the
wagons. The real danger to the US is that the leadership of the software
industry will move decisively to Asia in much the same way that the leadership
of the auto industry moved to Japan back when General Motors was insisting that
what was good for GM was good for the rest of us.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 02:32 AM EDT
Check out the parody of LORT and Billy's precious IP... Here

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TCO and Security
Authored by: cheros on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 04:10 AM EDT
This nonsense is slowly starting to irritate me.

(1) TCO. As long as I can't
see the actual data, components and weighting that went into it, a TCO figure
means exactly nothing.

As a classic example, MS always points out that a
license fee is but a small part of TCO (try that one on your CFO when upgrading
a company) but leaves out the costs of license MANAGEMENT which is a huge admin
overhead. Try working out the benefit of completely removing the risk of FAST
or BSA knocking on your door for audit (read; CEO/CFO/CTO personal liability
reduced).

Another example, any idea of the costs of risk mitigation (Disaster
Recovery planning and exercising, insurance, sheer IT resource costs) against a
virus infection? Given the rising volume a "hit" is not a matter of "if" but
"when" as AV signatures are always behind the fact, and the number of attack
vectors increases (mobile devices, new mobile phones, end users with laptops,
corporate email via external Web Access, etc).

Long term costs should also
include factors like the cost of vendor lock in (loss of leverage), changing
business processes (vendor software defining the way you work) and, rather well
known, the cycle costs of hardware as our Redmond friends openly admit to
programming to Moores' Law In other words, every upgrade thus has hardware
costs associated with it too, long before the actual servicable life of the kit
expires (environmental and disposal risks and costs).

Another cost is the
entanglement of front and back end which makes support such a problem in an MS
driven company. With Open Standards you can segregate the support effort easier
between back end and end user desktop (and offer some platform freedom without
impacting your service and support capability). I could go on, but that's a
short discourse on our wonderfully abused TCO figure.

(2) Security. Leaving
out the TCO part (see above), I've watched with some amusement MS execs explain
the wonders of new MS security and DRM to Managing Directors (what I do makes
this a regular feature ;-). Nice, shiny presentations, very capable people with
security comparisons MS vs Linux - leaving out the detail so you can't prove
that the "facts" presented are unsustainable.

So here are some tricks to
'adjust' the facts. When you log security bugs, log them as one bunch. Doesn't
matter that your client base has to wait until you've done the last one of that
batch (i.e. is exposed until you do), log it as one because that gives you one
(1) CERT bug report. Easy to compare against FOSS et al where every bug is
dealt with immediately where possible, but that gives "lots of bugs" as opposed
to "one". And as Forester demonstrated, don't deal with severity as that makes
it tricky too. And also don't mention that getting DRM in place means yet again
new hardware and that -as any technological version 1- you need a backup
strategy if you go near it. As all devices in a chain from storage to end user
needs to be DRM enabled it only takes one of them to malfunction and your
business critical data is unavailable. A serial chain of single points of
failure. Try insuring yourself against that. Ouch.

And that's just the business
side. From an end user position, do I really need to know about not clicking on
attachments (training costs!)? Or (I kid you not) retyping a URL from an email?
Why does Outlook STILL fail to have any way to disclose the true target of a
URL? Why don't I have this problem at all on Mac or any system running Linux or
UNIX? Anyway, I could go on.

If MS can start from the ground up they could fix
their problems, but I feel they are hanging their hopes on DRM so they don't
have to. IMO a fundamental mistake, more so because that strategy is now
fatally holed below the waterline. China, Japan and Sth Korea have now formally
agreed on developing a regional version of Linux. In case you fail to spot the
significance of that group of countries: it's where your hardware is made.

Oh,
by the way, the next time you sit through such an important presentation you may
want to check how dissent is controlled - it's quite artful. The presentations
I saw had a vast percentage (over 50% in some cases) of MS or MS affiliated
people in the audience. Clever way to keep such dissenters engaged and offline
until the show is over.

Summary: as long as MS is trying to market its way out
of trouble, as long as they fail to act transparantly, as long as there is a
single thread of dishonesty in their dealings they represent a business risk. I
would have no problem with honest work on improvements, but each time I see such
presentations and tactics it creates doubt about their desire to indeed address
the fundamentals. About the only quality thing left is hardware, but selling
keyboards, mice and joysticks (which are good quality IMO) is not an option for
MS after Bill Gates has told the world that hardware will eventually be
free.

And lastly, Bill Gates himself. Any idea what MS shares will do if he as
much as coughs in public? And he's not getting younger...

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A world of FUD
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 08:59 AM EDT
I posted earlier that Laura Didio was a paid up member of the Flat Earth
Society. I've pondered since.

Essentially, she is offered to be "a qualified, knowledgable,experienced
industry analyst" with Yankee Group.
If, you are the director of a company building scyscrapers, you may know all
about load bearing and forces, but when it comes to IT, you take note of
"the experts" in what is not your field.

I find it easy, as do most on Groklaw, to see through her arguements. I,ve been
in IT so long, I'd back a decision made by my little finger before I,d listen to
her.

Back to my pondering - Is this, the state of commercial analysis, across other
industries?
Is there a Laura Didio pushing a particular brand of Aids drug? Is my choice of
fire proof loft insulation based on scientific opinion with the same quality of
analysis as shown by Laura? Is any commercial analysis worth the paper its
written on? Or is it just advertising by another name?
Are all Yankee analysts imbued with the same understanding as Laura? Their
crystal ball is rusty.

Back to my real point. I know IT, so no-one is going to sell me short or rip me
off. I just read the DIY guff and looked for the kite sign when I installed my
loft insulation.

Brian S.

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:09 AM EDT
A bit dated, but gives an interesting analysis though may not include all
current raised events

http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/RFG-LinuxTCO-vFINAL-Jul2002.pdf


Notice now that M$ can't comptete with unique technologies they turn to FUD and
litigation threats.
Before the situation of SCO ( which is likely a push from M$ to test the waters)
I am starting to get the impression that M$ did a study on linux, finding it's
technology sufficiently competitive, and given this technology is commmunity
developed with no investors to worry or business to lose ( other than larger
commercial vendors). Microsoft now has to find a way to survive ,. Many
businesses as last ditch efforts play the leagl systems to try to gain capital
to keep thier business running as long as possible, Well M$ likely is using SCO
as a test bed in many ways , first to see how OSS responds, second to see how
well litigation in the areas of OS software will sustian itself.

I have to hand it to M$ a very impressive attempt to skirt legal systems and
anti trust rulings.

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MS: Bill Needs Your Money More Than You
Authored by: grouch on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 10:38 AM EDT
I must confess that I use no MS products. I have been falling down on my civic
duty to fund Bill for many years. The U.S. DoJ may come after me for this, as
they did the E.C., but it feels good to openly admit my transgressions.

Not only do I not use MS products, but I am guilty of actively assisting others
in achieving this subversive goal. I am guilty of meanly depriving Bill and
Steve and Laura and Rob (and their world-wide herd) of their apparently divine
right to my money.

Can we bill Bill for all those hidden costs his products add to so many other
products?

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, April 08 2004 @ 09:52 PM EDT
<i>For large organizations, lack of a product warranty is a
non-starter</i>.<p>That hasn't deterred organizations from buying
Microsoft's products. If you haven't read the EULA lately, all they guarantee is
that the distribution media will be readable. Otherwise, there is no guarantee
the products will work as expected, that they are without defects, etc. They
explicitly disclaim all implied warranties for merchantability and fitness for
purpose, consequential damages, etc. (to the maximum extent allowed by law).

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Cranking Out the FUD -- and Some AntiFUD -- on TCO and Security
Authored by: haegarth on Friday, April 09 2004 @ 08:56 AM EDT
This is sooo funny....

Around a year ago I was presented with a study from a German company (I'd need
to look up their name, since I've got the material at work somewhere). I must
admit that it was presented at the autumn meeting of the z/Linux- and z/VM group
of GSE (Guide Share Europe) in Ulm, Germany, meaning that this is a clearly
pro-Linux event with a pro-Linux audience, where all participants are mid- and
large scale IBM customers and / or IBM business partners (and, not to forget,
IBM themselves of course). So much for the background, I really don't want to
spread FUD myself and don't think there's anything to hide here.

Interestingly, one of the main conclusions of that study was that the most
benefit out of switching to Linux would be on the side of large companies,
because the chances to find Linux skills readly available within IT staff would
be much greater than when smaller Companies are considered, who would have to
spend a much greater percentage of IT funding for training or hiring trained
people. All in all that is something which totally contradicts Didio's report.

Well, now who can we believe? I usually tend to believe reports without big buck
backgrounds. Of course, as we've learned, every report can be customized to
reach the desired conclusions, but IMHO there's a tendency that, the more money
is involved, the more FUD is beeing spread, and OSS companies just can't spend
as much cash on studies as the Microsofties can - not that the Ulm report seemed
to have been funded by any Linux distributing company, but I don't claim to know
everything about anything.

I leave it to you to choose which conclusions to follow.

---
Everytime I read SCOspeak I'm dumbfounded...

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