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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Monday, January 05 2004 @ 06:25 AM EST

Well, this is interesting news. As you know, I am tabula rasa when it comes to finance. My style of learning is to read about how laws and regulations play out in real life. Reading a regulation or a law in the books is good, but there is a world of difference between the words on the page and real life.

So when I saw the Parmalat fraud accusations with a headline saying that three banks were being investigated for a possible role in the case, it seemed a natural way to learn how the SEC does what it does.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting [sub req'd] today that the three banks being investigated by the SEC in coordination with Italian investigators are Citigroup, Bank of America, and -- tah dah -- our friend, Deutsche Bank, but most particularly the first two.

As you probably know, Parmalat has been declared insolvent by an Italian court and its CEO was thrown in jail, but just before that happened at the end of December, the Journal reports, the banks were raising money for Parmalat, and Citigroup analysts rated their stock a buy as recently as November (describing it as "an attractive entry point for what remains an attractive restructuring story." ) Parmalat raised billions in bonds and bank debt, the Wall Street Journal report continues, and now both the SEC and Italian investigators want to know if the banks assisted in the alleged fraud or were negligent in looking at the company's books.

The article says that the banks earned fees estimated in the tens of millions of dollars and maybe much more through arranging such things as a structured-finance transaction (Citigroup) and a road show so Parmalat execs could meet US investors (arranged by Bank of America):

"It's obvious in any case involving a big fraud that we will examine all the participants to look for violations," said Lawrence West, associate director of enforcement with the Securities and Exchange Commission, who is coordinating with Italian authorities in the probe. He declined to comment on specific banks.

No bank has been accused of wrongdoing in connection with its Parmalat business. A person close to the investigation said the SEC is looking primarily at Bank of America and Citigroup. So far, investigators have found no indication of impropriety, this person said.

What was Deutsche Bank's role in all this? In September, according to the report, DB teamed with Parmalat for a bond issue. DB sold bonds to institutional investors in a private placement and bought some itself, according to the article more than 5%, but most of those shares DB borrowed on behalf of third parties, and later, either in mid-December or at least by January 2, 2004, it reduced its holdings in the collapsing company to below 2%.

NY's Attorney General Elliot Spitzer is reported to be investigating DB and Bank of America also, DB in connection with after hours trading, in connection with Spitzer's investigation of mutual funds:

New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer is investigating whether Deutsche Bank's U.S. arm helped investors make illegal after-market trades in mutual funds, the source said Tuesday. The probe could lead to either criminal or civil charges, but no immediate legal moves by Spitzer's office are expected, the source said. New York state has issued a subpoena asking for documentation about Deutsche Bank's trading practices, the source said. . . ..

Deutsche Bank, which has an asset management and brokerage unit, is suspected of having helped investors trade mutual funds after the market closed, the source said. It is also being looked at for helping investors profit from rapid trades in and out of the funds, a practice known as market timing.

The Frankfurt-based bank is one of the largest financial services firms in the world. . . . . Thus far charges brought by Spitzer's team have focused mainly on trading that was done after the market closed, which is illegal if the shares are sold at the pre-market closing price.

Of course, Spitzer is investigating mutual funds, period, so DB is certainly not alone in being investigated by Spitzer and an investigation is not an accusation and it certainly isn't a finding of guilt. But here is what Spitzer told Congress recently, early in November:

New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer told lawmakers they should consider doing something to revamp firms' internal compliance departments. "They have utterly betrayed the American public," he said. . . .Spitzer contended that the problems in the mutual fund industry are so pervasive that it is more than a matter of excising a few "bad apples" from the industry. "It's beginning to appear that the entire crate is rotten," he said. "The problems are structural, they are systemic."

Deutsche Bank had a good year financially, according to this report:

Deutsche Bank chairman Josef Ackermann boasted that his group had made "good progress in strengthening its businesses and increasing its operational capacity. This progress was reflected in third-quarter results." The bank's net profit outpaced analysts's expectations, rising to 576 million (674 million dollars) in the period from July to September from a net loss of 299 million euros in the corresponding period a year earlier.

So now what happens? Parmalat is reportedly [Update 2008: the link no longer resolves, but it was at http://www.forbes.com/ home_asia/newswire/2004/01/04/rtr1197360.html] asking some Italian banks for more money, silly. What did you think? Meanwhile, 8 people, including the founder of Parmalat, have been arrested, though no one is yet charged, and there is a warrant out for "for the former head of Parmalat's Venezuela operations who was also head of the group's Cayman Islands unit, Bonlat, at the centre of the scandal." Ah, the beautiful Cayman Islands [Update 2008: the link no longer works, but it was at http://www.reuters.com/ newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=X0XIT5DM0MMUECRBAEZSFFA? type=governmentFilingsNews&storyID=4067811]:

Parmalat's group's crisis was triggered last month when Bank of America said that documents, purportedly showing that a Parmalat unit in the Cayman Islands held nearly four billion euros ($5 billion) in cash and securities with the bank, were in fact false.

I've been collecting DB stories for a couple of months. Here's one on a German criminal case reported on back on October 18 by the Financial Post, which said there was a court date set for January 21. DB execs are accused of "breach of shareholder trust":

The case, brought by the Dusseldorf prosecutor, alleges that the defendants were guilty of breach of trust when they approved a €15-million (US$17-million) "appreciation award" to Klaus Esser, former CEO of Mannesmann, for his role in brokering the company's aquisition by Vodafone in 2000.

It seems such payments aren't all that rare:

Payments of millions of dollars are familiar fare in Mr Ackermann's investment-banking industry, if less so in mainstream corporate Germany. Deutsche, Germany's biggest bank, paid $100m to Frank Newman in 1999 when his services were no longer required as boss of its newly-acquired American subsidiary, Bankers Trust. A year earlier, Deutsche also paid millions to Frank Quattrone, head of its corporate finance boutique in California, just to be rid of him—probably money well spent given the havoc Mr Quattrone later wreaked at CSFB, the investment-banking arm of Credit Suisse. So a few million euros spread among the top executives of Mannesmann may have seemed no big deal. But Binz & Partner, a Stuttgart law firm, thought otherwise. In February 2000 it alerted prosecutors in Dusseldorf, Mannesmann's home town. It believed that the payments represented an Anglo-Saxon "help-yourself" mentality that was invading Germany.

By Anglo-Saxon, the article means the US of A. The court in Germany has blocked the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal from covering the upcoming trial [Update 2008: the url no longer resolves; it was at http://news.ft.com/servlet/ ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c= StoryFT&cid=1071251711308] It's a criminal offense there, breach of trust [Update 2008: the url was at http://www.faz.com/IN/INtemplates/eFAZ/ archive.asp?doc=%7B8EC1957F-EC3B-405B-A9CC-97857CD9E96A%7D], but the article says first offenders usually get probation:

Breach of trust, or failure to act in the shareholders' interest, is a criminal offense in Germany, where management remuneration must be "in line with the tasks of the board member and the company's financial situation," a vaguely phrased regulation some experts say is a questionable basis for criminal charges. Sanctions for breach of trust include fines and prison sentences of up to 5 years, or, in very severe cases, 10 years.

Then there is the fine they agreed to pay in September, 2002:

Sept. 5 - Deutsche Bank - $58 Million

Former shareholders of Bankers Trust reached a settlement in New York federal court with Deutsche Bank. The plaintiffs alleged that Deutsche Bank's chairman denied his firm was in discussion to buy Bankers Trust in order to drive the stock price down before officially announcing the acquisition.

This was followed by the $1.65 million fine that December for "allegedly violating e-mail record-keeping requirements," according to the SEC, the New York Stock Exchange, and the NASD. Naturally, "in accepting the penalties, the broker-dealers neither admit nor deny the allegations." Did you notice what a long list of fine-payers there was on that page?

It seems the way to get money from a bank is to think big. You and I, of course, might not "qualify" for a large loan. See, this is the part I don't get yet. I guess I need to get back to studying up on finance. I thought if you lost all your money, filed for bankruptcy, your CEO was accused of fraud and there were arrest warrants out for your execs, banks might not consider you a good risk. Well, what do I know? Like I said, this is all over my head. Obviously, they didn't teach this wheeler-dealer high finance at the prim and proper girls' school I attended and there is a big difference between words on a page and how things play out in real life anyhow.


  


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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: rjamestaylor on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:08 AM EST
If you rob a bank of $25,000 at the teller window, you get maximum security for a couple decades.
Rob that bank in the boardroom and you get praised in Forbes 5 years in Club Fed.

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: Drew on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:21 AM EST
I haven´t followed the scandal closely but from what I remember
reading (German newspaper, sorry, no link) it looks like DB got quite
badly burned on this one and lost/will lose a lot of money. Of course
with a fraud scandal of this magnitude it´ll be years before all the
fallout has settled and this was just some preliminary estimate. I
remember something like 50% of the company was still in the family´s
hands and approx. 5% were owned by DB which will be a complete
write-off in all probability.

Looks like in this case Parmalat really faked documents with creative
selective copying of papers, fake signatures and whatnot like in a bad
spy novel/movie. I´m not sure if analysts are to blame in this one, at
least from what I read so far. I´ll keep an eye on the German press and
keep you posted in case anything really significant turns up.

btw, their soccer club is for sale now in case anyone is intersted...

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Currency symbol missing
Authored by: Scriptwriter on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:29 AM EST
in the phrase "rising to 576 million (674 million dollars)" there's
no indication of what currency we're talking about. Presumably it's 576
million euros but that's not clear.

If nothing else this article portrays a mindset among certain people that the
ends justify the means, and that lining one's pockets at the expense of others
is to be considered a good and noble thing. No wonder they'll do anything to
oppose movements like Free Software, and that they can't understand it. FOSS is
the complete opposite of this mindset. And no wonder The Darl gets along so well
with this crowd.

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  • Greedheads - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 04:27 PM EST
Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: roxyb on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:29 AM EST
There is an old saying:

If you owe the bank a million dollars and default, you are in trouble!
If you owe the bank a billion dollars and default, the bank are in trouble!

Roland Buresund

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OT: Laura Didio
Authored by: Stefan on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:30 AM EST
I got a GOOGLE news-alert today linking to some old news from june 9.
Interesting part is this quote "Laura, by the way, who's known McBride
and SCOsource licensing chief Chris Sontag for 15 years - since their days at
Novell under the tutelage of then Novell CEO Ray Noorda - says they're neither
"capricious" nor "showboats.""

http://www.linuxworld.com/story/20911_f.htm

And I thought that analysts were supposed to be objective or at least tell about
any former relations with the company they are analyzing?

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:30 AM EST
In for a penny, in for a pound. They make these loans because they are
already in too deep. They're taking a gamble that the company will
somehow survive long enough to repay the loans.

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: nvanevski on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 07:32 AM EST
Seems that this is rather common way of doing things, doesn't it? It comes down
to two cases :
1) Bank gives loan to dying company - company dies - bank gets the company's
property, or
2) Buy stock - pump stock - dump stock (just like our SCO case here)

First case is very common in developing countries (I couldn't talk about USA or
EU though), especially when companies ask for mortgage loans (the bank then
makes an assessment of the company's property that's mortgaged, and that is
usually for a half of what it's worth), waits till the company dies and just
absorbs the mortgaged property.
The second case to me is a strong indication of insider trading - PJ please
correct me (I'm an outsider when it comes to stock trading, despite the fact
that I work as a banking software developer) ...

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 08:03 AM EST
Is just backing SCO there only fault?
A bank that makes this sort of mistake must have lots of reasons for being
investigated.
I can't be the only one wondering how legit these guys are.

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OT: MIT analysts finally revealed...
Authored by: belzecue on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 08:29 AM EST
Direct from SCO: The identity of the mysterious deep-diving MIT analysts finally revealed...

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My Grandfather said...
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 08:32 AM EST
Two professionals that you can not ever trust AND who you have to
watch and double check all the time:
1- Bankers (they will want to lend you more than you need that
leads to difficulty paying back and so the bank wins thru the
collection of assurances in the end).
2- Lawyers (well, they are human too - and like banks, some of
them put them into positions of trust, when they don't deserve to
be trusted).
So - ya gotta watch em all the time.
AND don't ever trust them.

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OT: Boies III Battles Boozelbub
Authored by: Tim Ransom on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 08:46 AM EST
Diamond Dave's son, Dave III, is taking the booze industry to court for allegedly marketing their product to adolescents.
La me lawsuits and spirit of the season!
Thanks again,

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 09:14 AM EST
Well it's an interesting story, what I think it points to, is the possibility
of a more widespread issues across the banking industry (rather than just
Deutsche Bank).

Let's remember Deutsche Bank is not the only bank being looked at, in this
story. Citi featured heavily in yesterday's (UK) Sunday Times - apparently they
issued a Buy rating not too long before the collapse.

As far as Deutsche Bank and SCO is concerned, right now, we don't have any
evidence on how they determined their (in my opinion idiotic) Buy rating and
analysis on SCO. When you read the DBC analysis, to me at least, it looked
**very** similar to the Renaissance report or the comments from Cohen and
BayStar - which sort of suggests to me that all three are probably echoing
something that has been represented to them (probably by SCO) and which they (in
my opinion foolishly) believed.

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Who is Nicholas Donovan?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 09:27 AM EST
Slightly off-topic.
Duting the last conference call, on December, 22 2003, the second person to ask
a question was introduced as Nicholas Donovan with JP Morgan. I was unable to
locate Nicholas Donovan within JP Morgan Chase. Does anyone has any details on
this?

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 09:33 AM EST
Lets remember that the New York Attorney and Jim Crammer came out with their
efforts for truth and honesty in Mutual funds around time...


Is it not about time to send a detailed analysis of SCOX its Parent company and
the factual basis ofr the case in courst ot say Jim Crammer's address with a
pointed question of thwere is the SEC in invesitgating this?

you can get Jim crammer's email by going to thestreet.com

I say this because the stock price swings in SCOX can only be explained by
collusion between hedge funs and other insiders knowing full well that the SCXO
stock price is an Illusion..Jim Crammer is well known for fighting this type of
Hedge fund bullshit..



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I think you're being Naive.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 09:34 AM EST
If you were to look up any bank as large as Deutsche, and you'd probably find a
similar list. I'm not saying that that makes it OK, just that with probably
40,000-odd employees operating worldwide in a very regulated market some level
of "bad apples" is inevitable. DB is not a corrupt organisation like
BCCI was (look it up).

In addition, you say: "See, this is the part I don't get yet. I guess I
need to get back to studying up on finance. I thought if you lost all your
money, filed for bankruptcy, your CEO was accused of fraud and there were arrest
warrants out for your execs, banks might not consider you a good risk."

Firstly, the interest Banks charge Parmalat for any loans will be considerably
higher than it was 6 months ago, factoring in the increased risk of default.

Secondly, underneath the financial shenanigans there is an actual business,
making actual products that can probably still usefully continue.

Thirdly, as Parmalat is such a large employer in Italy, the government there
would be unlikely to let the company completely fail, so to a certain extent the
money that is lent is underwritten by the Italian government.

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OT: One for IBM's lawyers
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 09:43 AM EST
This one popped up in googlenews although it's an old article

http://www.linuxworld.com/story/20911.htm


QUOTE (who saw the code):

The SCO Group, which promised that it would start showing the code that Linux
allegedly copied from Unix this week, says that so far it's shown it to George
Weiss of Gartner, Bill Claybrook of the Aberdeen Group, Laura DiDio of the
Yankee Group, Steve Lohr of the New York Times, Hiawatha Bray of the Boston
Globe, Bill Bulkeley of the Wall Street Journal, and some forgettable reporter
who wasn't up to speed on any of the issues from the Investor's Business
Daily.


QUOTE Laura DiDio (!) thinks that she was shown code copied by IBM from System V
into Linux:

We managed to connect with Laura DiDio - everybody else was out - and she says
what she saw was "licensed SVR5 code transposed into Linux by a number of
vendors" - whom she identified only as "IBM" and the
"usual suspects." She said the transpositions included the
"developers' comments


QUOTE Laura DiDio's opinions on the law firm aspect (I'm personally sure how
patent or trademark could come into this!):

She said that what she saw - as a "layperson, not a lawyer" -
"backed up SCO's claims," adding her appreciation that "the
trademark and patent people are going to have a field day with this."

She said she saw "several different examples" of the alleged
plagiarism.

Laura also talked to SCO's lawyers, the famed David Boies and his partner Mark
Heise, who she said told her they took "a couple of months" to
decide to take the case - on contingency, SCO CEO Darl McBride recently admitted
- and are now convinced they have a slam dunk case.

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Old Saying
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 11:00 AM EST
It's an old old saying:

If you borrow $1,000 from the bank and can't repay it, you
have a problem. If you borrow $100 million from the bank
and can't repay it, the bank has a problem.

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Where are the shareholders?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 12:00 PM EST

It would seem to me that the shareholders of these financial institutions ought to be hopping mad that someone was acting in such a way that, in some cases, several hundred millions of dollars had to be paid in fines. And that this was done without admitting guilt is simply astonishing. The shareholders should never accept these payments being made without someone's head rolling. Someone's guilty of these violations.

We need more Spitzers to take these people on and toss them in jail to do some hard time for their actions. No more cushy sentances in minimum security resorts. And no lecture tours when they're released.

BTW, how much of these fines will go to the investors that lost their shirts because of the funny business carried out by these financial institutions? I'm betting that it's not even one thin dime.

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Re: Spitzer
Authored by: GCH on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 01:08 PM EST

Just a small reminder that Spitzer is a politician first and law- enforcer second: think of his approval of Microsoft's so-called settlement.

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Deutsche Bank -- this time in Russia
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 01:31 PM EST
In today's russia level of organaized criminal activity is very high. So high,
that no one denies that earning lots of money nesseserily involves breaking the
law in some significant way.

I did some search on Deutsche Bank in database of investigative reporting site
(flb.ru, Freelance Beuroe). The number of articles about criminal activity with
Deutsche Bank involved in them in some way - from having their analysts say a
word to money laundering (never prooved, of course, this is Russia after all)
mounts to several dozens.

Just in one example, Deutsche Bank alone (along with several banks), gives a
loan of 250 million $$ to Alpha Group, a loan that cannot be concievebly
returned.
In another case Deutsche Bank is involved with TWG alledged money laundering.
The bank is even somehow connected to money laundering of no one else but
today's Russia's president: Vladimir Putin, at the time he was vice major of
Petersburg.

I do not like this bank.

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OT: Great SCO Article
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 01:43 PM EST
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1426044,00.asp

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OT: SCO mentioned in WSJ blurb
Authored by: jbminn on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 02:04 PM EST
During this morning's flight to Salt Lake City (irony unintentional), I saw a
short blurb in the WSJ that I'll paraphrase here. Not sure about fair use,
etc. so I won't directly quote it. The blurb was one or two lines long, in the
context of what the author hoped or expected to see in 2004, and mentioned
"SCO and "lies" in the same sentence. Read it yourself (maybe
PJ could get permission to reprint it).

Millions of business peopled read the Journal daily, and more importantly, look
to it for guidance on important business issues.

jbminn

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: pooky on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 02:06 PM EST
Well, the article points out that DB happens to be being investigated on several
fronts to see if improper behavior has occurred on their part. I’m not sure
anything can be read into this since most major investment banks seem to be
under similar investigations all the time. It seems to have become commonplace
since “Enron” happened and opened the flood gates forcing the SEC to act to
retain public trust in investing.

It’s a good story that I think highlights, as it’s related to SCOX, that
investment banks have in the past been caught fraudulently pumping trash stocks
so the bank can make money. Now I don’t now about SCOX’s price fluctuations and
how they are produced specifically, and neither does anyone else in this forum
I’ll bet. What I would like to see is how many investment firms have purchased
the SCOX stock based on DB’s whopping prediction of a $45/share price target.

This may end up as another good example as to why banks simply should not be
allowed to provide investment banking services to companies and also perform
stock analysis. The temptation, IMHO, is too much to resist for banks to push
stocks for their IBS clients that are questionable at best.

One thing I would like to know is whether any mutual funds that DB manages
actually own SCOX? I’ve been looking and so far I cannot seem to find one. In
fact, the only fund I have found that actually has invested in SCOX is Royce
Technology Value which lists it as a top holding. That doesn’t speak to me that
institutional investor’s think well of this company’s potential.

-pooky


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"I came, I saw, I stuck around."
IANAL, etc...

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Is It Time For Another Open Letter?
Authored by: brenda banks on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 02:25 PM EST
http://tinyurl.com/2f4bg

SCO sends notices to 6,000 Linux licensees

cw

The SCO Group has begun sending written notices to its 6,000 Unix licensees
requiring them to certify that they are in full compliance with their Unix
source code agreements and are not using Unix code in Linux.

In addition, SCO said it is sending a second set of letters outlining additional
evidence of copyright infringement to a subset of 1,500 global Linux users that
SCO first contacted in May about copyright infringement. The company predicted
that it could spend up to $16m in its existing financial year on legal fees
associated with its legal fight over Linux.

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WSJ Gomes column today
Authored by: mdchaney on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 02:50 PM EST

Speaking of the WSJ, Lee Gomes throws us another bone today. You may recall that a couple of months ago he wrote an excellent piece about the SCO debacle. In that article, he compared it to a David vs. Goliath battle (Goliath being IBM) where we want Goliath to win.

Anyway, today his column is "What Will This Year Bring for Technology? Plenty of Questions". Here's my favorite part:

A "LORD OF THE RINGS" question: If Microsoft and Intel are the Twin Towers, who would Frodo and Gandalf be? Linus Torvalds and AMD, maybe? As for Linux, when will the courts halt the lies of has-been software maker SCO (with $13 million in funding from Microsoft and Sun - together at last?) as it tries to make the preposterous claim that it, and not the world, owns the free operating system?

In a word (or two), Lee Gomes gets it.

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SCOX mailing out 6000 Unix Licensee letters
Authored by: sjohnson on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 03:19 PM EST
I was wondering if SCOX would make the news on 01/05 since we hadn't heard from the over the holidays. And right on schedule...

I found this article via NewsForge:

SCO sends notices to 6,000 Linux licensees

It looks like SCOX is actually sending out letters this time. And they are still beating the DMCA drum. From the article:

Chris Sontag, senior vice-president of SCO, said the notices "formally communicate to Unix source code licensees and certain commercial Linux end users that they must utilise SCO intellectual property within the bounds of their existing legal agreements and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act".

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Is the judge sleeping
Authored by: RE on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 04:21 PM EST
a little bitt off topic.

But has the judge in the red hat case fallen in a deep winter sleep because
there are is no action in this case for more than a moth.

Or is he so bored of the SCO fud that he is not willing to listen to it anymore.

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OT: If SCO ran the Spirit rover...
Authored by: atul on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 04:50 PM EST
...things would be a little different:

* Mission Control in Lindon, UT claims rover has landed successfully, for real,
honest. Independent experts cannot confirm this claim.

* Independent experts cannot even verify that the rover was ever launched to
begin with, since outsiders could only witness the alleged launch if they signed
a restrictive NDA.

* Mission Control claims the mission was designed and built with the help of
unidentified MIT rocket scientists.

* Mission Control releases photos of Martian surface. Photos turn out to be
poorly Photoshopped pictures of southern Utah. The half-erased golden arches are
a dead giveaway.

* After releasing the "Mars images" to the media, Mission Control
sues the New York Times for copyright infringement for printing them. Anyone who
may have seen the images, even by accident, supposedly owes a $799 license fee,
and Mission Control will sue if they don't pay up. New York Times is criticized
in some quarters for not indemnifying its readers against such lawsuits.

* Mission Control claims to own Mars, despite not being the first to land there.
They additionally claim to own everything with the word "Mars" in
the name, like Mars Bars. Furthermore, they claim to own all other planets, too,
since they're all to some degree "like Mars" and thus count as
derivative works. Additional lawsuits ensue.

* The project manager repeatedly tells the media his group is responsible for
the manned moon landings back in 1969, despite all evidence to the contrary. Oh,
and they also invented the Internet while they were at it.

* Mission Control, meanwhile, makes most of its money getting people to buy what
it claims are genuine, valuable Mars rocks. Due to the publicity, rock prices
climb from less than a dollar to a current price of seventeen dollars apiece.
Yankee Group geologists heap praise on the actions of Mission Control, unfazed
by conclusive evidence that the rocks are simply gravel from a local quarry, and
that the whole thing is nothing but a "rock scam".

(originally posted on Yahoo SCOX board)

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight
Authored by: PM on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 05:39 PM EST
"It seems the way to get money from a bank is to think big. You and I, of
course, might not "qualify" for a large loan."

Not a problem, PJ. All you need to do is incorporate Groklaw and ask these
bankers to arrange an IPO in return for a more than reasonable slice of the
action. Why, Dan, Laura etc may actually praise your business acumen.

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OT: SCO story at USA Today!
Authored by: Sunny Penguin on Monday, January 05 2004 @ 06:07 PM EST
Here is a link.
Good stuff!

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/maney/2003-07-30-maney_x.htm

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SCO directly to jail, do not collect two hundred dollars.

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A little off the subject, But
Authored by: Mecha on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 01:22 AM EST
and if PJ or someone else familiar with the law can help me understand....

The open group owns unix right?
If you publish some code on the net then it is in the public domain (provided no
copyright was added or something right?

Well the open group has published on their site the errno.h standard for unicies
to use.

Here:
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/basedefs/errno.h.html

and here is more:
http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/errno.h.html

Now I am not a programmer nor am I a lawyer. But from what I think I read here,
SCO is claiming they have copyright on the unix standard (published in 1997) by
the open group to be used in the various unicies. They sent letters stating that
the errno.h is there IP, but it is published for all to see and use by the open
group and I think it is an IEEE standard as well. (IEEE Std 1003.1, 2003 Edition
per The open group).

Doesn't this null and void SCO claims to that IP?

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Deutsche Bank In the Spotlight - The trial against Josef Ackermann
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 06:08 AM EST
Dear PJ,
the trial should begin this month.
Allthough Financial Times is covering this case, I don't know if it will be
unbiased, as it has been repeating since the investigation began, that it
considered the whole thing as an example of the "backward" german
law and an impediment for development of industry and finance in Germany.

The case:
When in 2000 Vodafone started a hostile takeover of Mannesmann (owner of
"D2", the biggest german mobile phone telco), the managers tried to
resist quite a long time. I became a real battle.
Finally Vodafone won, but it seems, that a secret part of the final giving in
from the managers was getting some "bonuses" of about 111 mio.
Deutsche Mark, (about 70 mio. USD).

The structure of German companies look like this:
You have an "executive board" headed by the CEO, and a
"supervisory board" which should control the executive boards
decisions on a continous basis (monthly or whatsoever).
(I don't know how it works in the US, so excuse me if there are allready words
for that and i did not chose properly)

This "supervisory boards" consist mostly of bank and other companies
executives representing the shareholders.
The members of this board are sent by the biggest shareholders, and lots of them
have 10 or more such positions on different companies.
Theoreticaly the should not get any money for their work, just receive back
their expenses. (well you know how this is like :-))
In the important companies the people representing the banks and the other
capital holders are mostly their heads.
(I don't know exactly on how many "supervisory boards" Mr.
Ackermann is sitting, but they are probably more than even he remembers. There
have been some legal iniciatives to reduce the number of boards you can be
member of, so maybe now there is a limit. I'm not sure.)

With the big technobubble at that time Mannesmann was important, and not only
Josef Ackermann was a member of relevance. Mr. Zwickel, at that time leader of
the biggest industrial trade union and a very influential man, will also be
assisting to the trial as acused party.)

So, at the time of the ending of the takeover the "supervisory
board" aproved a plan of the "executive board" to give some
"extraordinary bosuses" to the members of both boards (the 111
million Deutsche Mark).

This (although maybe common) has no legal basis. Which should be quite clear, as
they help themselves to the companies money deciding it themselves.

One of the charges in the upcomming trial is therefore breach of trust in the
representation of the shareholders.
This is a criminal offense an Mr. Akermann may be spending a couple of years in
jail (very, very unlikely, if you ask me.)

The auditors of Mannesmann had warned very strongly against this decission at
the time, based on formal and factual legal arguments, and will testify at the
trial.
It also seems that the protocols of both boards sessions have been manipulated
to redate the decissions.

I hope this helps a bit to understand the situation.
I understand the german legaleese but not really the english one, and i am not
familiar law and company structure in the US, so excuse me if I made some
mistakes.

I followed this case mostly through newspapers and can not give you links to the
corresponding legal documents (I do not even know where I could find them now).

PJ, if you need some documents say so, i will try to find them here in Germany.

CCS


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OT: Link to .pdf of SCO-letter
Authored by: Stefan on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 09:10 AM EST
Found this link to the UNIX Licensee letter from 20031218 on /., don't know if
it's of any interest.

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OT: Tux vs Billzilla
Authored by: Tim Ransom on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 09:38 AM EST
Something positive to start the day:
Businessweek has an article called Asia Loves Linux -- And Microsoft Scrambles

a sample:

'"Promotion of Linux is very important," says Li Wuqiang, a deputy director at China's Science & Technology Ministry. "Government should give it a hard push."'

Thanks again,

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OT: Tux vs Billzilla, part two
Authored by: Tim Ransom on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 09:50 AM EST
Apparently MS is running a new anti-Linux ad campaign, to the amusement of all (except, perhaps, Enderle, DiDio and Lyons).

Bruce Perens is amused:
'"I think that Microsoft should continue this campaign in other publications," he said. "In fact, they should buy some TV ads; maybe a Superbowl ad."'

Thanks again,

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Irony
Authored by: photonic on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 10:16 AM EST
The big irony in the parmalat case is that if the CEOs ever get convicted, they
will get a lower sentence than would have been the case several years ago. The
reason? You guessed it right: Berlusconi. He lowered penalties on corporate
crime because he has some first hand experience with the legal system himself.
And that was not the only time he changed the law for his own benefits. I'm
ashamed to live in the same European Union as that guy.

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You may think I'm naive, but...
Authored by: Tim Ransom on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 10:28 AM EST
it looks like some of Parmalat's underwriters might have done something illegal!
Call me crazy. Thank god banks are our benevolent friends!

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The SEC website and Microsoft lies
Authored by: bratner on Tuesday, January 06 2004 @ 06:32 PM EST
I actually hope that someone will read this.
I went to the SEC website http://www.sec.gov
to see by myself what is it all about and found that
they have a system called EDGAR to search for documents filed
by public companies. After searching a bit found the following document filed by
my favorite virus development company (Microsoft)

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000119312503092718/d424b2.htm

It is a supplement to prospectus dated December 11 2003.
IMHO the document is meant as information for potential investors.
An interesting part is in the "Risk factors" paragraph.
some nice quotes:
"In recent years, there has been a growing challenge to the commercial
software model, often referred to as the Open Source model." - do they
think that OpenSource is not commercial at all? What do RedHat people feed their
children
with?

"Under the Open Source model, software is produced by loosely associated
groups of unpaid programmers,..." - that
is not malformed truth thats a lie! How would you produce anything with
"loosely associated" group of people?
Do they know what Linus does for his living?
Isn't that SEC's job to make sure the info is correct?

"The most notable example of Open Source software is the Linux operating
system." - so they do know that GNU/Linux
is an "OPERATING SYSTEM".

"...Open Source model continues to pose a significant challenge to our
business model,..." - that is a good thing!
Why would they put it in so negative way ? :-)

"...Open Source model gains increasing market acceptance..." - He he
he he, Here we go :-)

Why should anyone read on?

Kind Regards,
Boris Ratner.



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