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Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 06:15 AM EST
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I know some of you have wondered what you will do for fun once the SCOShow is over. For nostalgic types who would like something to remember SCO by, a Canadian seller has put up for sale an "unused" SCO T-Shirt on EBay. He describes it as: "Famous SCO attacks Linux T-Shirt, as seen at SCOFORUM 2003, and given out during the SCO City-To-City tour." I'm not sure "famous" is quite the word. Infamous? Shameful? Outrageous? Trade-Libelous? It's hard to find just the right word. It's open for bids, although so far there haven't been any, but it's only been up a little more than a day.
On the back here is what it says: GOT UNIX IN YOUR LINUX?
FACT: SCO OWNS THE LEGAL COPYRIGHT TO UNIX SYSTEM V
FACT: SCO OWNS ALL CLAIMS ARISING OUT OF VIOLATIONS BY UNIX LICENCEES
FACT: SCO HAS PROOF OF DIRECT COPYING OF SYSTEM V INTO LINUX
I SAW IT FOR MYSELF AT SCOFORUM 2003
On the front it just has the SCO logo and the words "SCO Builds Your Business". I think that might be hard to prove in a court of law. It's "USA Made components assembled in Mexico," whatever that means. The seller describes it as the"perfect gift for the rabid SCO Fan, or something to annoy and confound the rabid Linux Fan." I wasn't aware there were any "rabid SCO fans". I didn't think there were any SCO fans, period, outside of Wall Street hustlers, maybe, and they aren't famous for longterm loyalty. You'd think one of these rabid fans would send me an email here and there, wouldn't you? But I have never received even one. We don't get any pro-SCO trolls either. Not that I'm complaining. And that's not a cue, SCO, to start astroturfing about how great SCO is. We can tell, you know, brainiacs that we are, so you'd just be throwing good money after bad, and you don't have too much left, what with all the lawsuits. We saw how you had to mortgage your company. We remember, too, how you told the Red Hat judge how expensive it is to fight on two fronts at once, when you asked her to delay Red Hat until after IBM, or consolidate the two for economy's sake. We did note that after you told her that, you announced you plan on opening a third front by suing for copyright "violations", so I guess that means you don't need to consolidate the two cases in Utah or postpone Red Hat after all. But in any case, economy is the word. I know. Maybe Microsoft types would buy the shirt to annoy Linux fans. Confounding a Linux fan is probably an unreachable goal. For one thing, you'd need to be smarter than they are. Certainly this T-shirt isn't enough to do it. But I can imagine Steve Ballmer leaping about on stage in the shirt. Hmm. Too direct, maybe? Wait. I've got it. There's a marketing category the T-shirt seller forgot to pitch to: the IBM and Red Hat legal teams. I don't think they'd want to wear it, probably. Those IBMers are a little conservative in their dress but maybe they might like to show it to the judge. You think? Still, the T-shirt is nothing compared to the signs that showed up at the June protest at SCO headquarters, signs the protesters say came from inside the SCO building and that SCO employees carried, trying to mingle in with the Linux protesters, pretending they were part of the protest. Those signs said things like "I love software piracy" and "Give Communism a try." The account of what happened is here, for those of you who are new to Groklaw. So we'd have to agree that the SCOForum T-Shirt is less trade-libelous than those signs. My all-time favorite T-Shirt was worn by a Linux protester that June day. You can see a picture of it in the story linked to about the protest, but here is what it said: Open Source.
It's the difference
between trust
and antitrust.
If anybody knows where to find that T-Shirt, please let me know. I'd like to buy one. Funny, isn't it, how nothing SCO does shows that kind of wit and charm? Maybe that's why there is a distinct shortage of rabid SCO fans. There could be a few other reasons, too.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 06:48 AM EST |
That T-shirt is a great collectible after SCO has lost.
Rather like the Enron memorabilia...
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 07:11 AM EST |
Do you think that SCO could have hired a more talented designer? What a cheesy
looking shirt!
The seller also sells Star Trek figures. I doubt he is a SCO anyhting, just
trying to make a buck.
No bids. I can do without it, I have too many WH40K figures to waste my money
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 07:15 AM EST |
PJ - should we do an 'open source' GROKLAW tee-shirt
package?
You can get transparent and white iron-on fabric transfer
paper that you print on with an inkjet printer.
We could do a basic set of 'modules'... groklaw logo as
.png or .XCF (GIMP format), some slogans and a
GroklawTeeShirt.HOWTO... and require a standard license
statement to be prominently displayed.
Release it as GPL or similar?
seriously,
-cybervegan
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| Authored by: Fruny on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 08:08 AM EST |
| Given that rabies
causes brain damage, I'm convinced that any SCO fan cannot be anything but
rabid. Rabies is fatal unless treated early enough, so the problem should solve
itself quickly. The more SCO stalls the fewer supporters it will have
left.
Reading Groklaw constitutes a pretty good preventive shot.
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| Authored by: Steve Martin on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 08:38 AM EST |
P.J. et al, rather than dropping bucks on the SCO shirt (even as a memento),
how 'bout making a statement with this one
instead?
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- Take action - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 11:56 AM EST
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| Authored by: archanoid on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:02 AM EST |
I used to use this as a .sig:
The problem with Intellectual Property is
the focus on the Property and not the Intellectual.
I'd
like that on a T-Shirt.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:20 AM EST |
One would guess this item is one being requested by IBM in their discovery that
SCO does not want introduced.
GOT UNIX IN YOUR LINUX
FACT: SCO OWNS
THE LEGAL COPYRIGHT TO UNIX SYSTEM V
FACT: SCO OWNS ALL CLAIMS ARISING OUT
OF VIOLATIONS BY UNIX LICENCEES
FACT: SCO HAS PROOF OF DIRECT COPYING OF
SYSTEM V INTO LINUX
I SAW IT FOR MYSELF AT SCOFORUM 2003
These are
the types of claims SCO makes in public, but backpedals on in court.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:52 AM EST |
PJ,
I know a number of people (my wife included) that use
Cafepress
to create custom
T-shirts, mugs, and whatnots. Recreating the T-shirt that you liked should be
very easy, but the design (if not necessarily the slogan) is almost certainly
copyrighted. After a bit of googling, it seems that the T-shirt originated with
VALinux.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 10:34 AM EST |
This has been bugging me since the start (March). SCO/Caldera does
not have exclusive rights to the SYSV code, they only have
exclusive rights to some of it. Yet, they stretch these rights and use
them as a basis for their "SCO owns Unix" claims. Their argument has even been
regurgitated numerous times by some journalists as "SCO owns critical Unix IP",
or "SCO owns critical Unix copyrights", or "SCO owns the Unix source code".
But, between the code that's been put in the public domain at various stages of
its existence (e.g. by Caldera itself as"ancient Unix"), the code that came from
BSD, to how much SYSV code does SCO have exclusive rights, really? Has
anyone done a detailed analysis and answered this question somewhere ?
Gil [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: zjimward on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 10:42 AM EST |
The orginal place that I could trace this back to is a shirt by VA Linux
Systems.
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/photos/geekshirts/va_antitrust_front.jpg
http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/photos/geekshirts/va_antitrust_back.jpg[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 11:10 AM EST |
| Think Geek has a penguin wearing a no SCO t-shirt. Maybe
they'd print up
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 11:32 AM EST |
but let me know when the "IBM Ninja Lawyer" t-shirts go on sale.
Then I'll bid.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 11:39 AM EST |
Speaking RH suit... is RH Timeline up to date??
Last thing logged is:
10/8/03 MOTION by SCO Group Inc. For Enlargment of Time to Respond to Pltf's
First Set of Interrogatories and First Request for Production of Documents and
Things Answer Brief due 10/22/03 re: motion
It seems that something did happen on 10/22... or at least in these 50 days
since that note.
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| Authored by: maco on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 12:45 PM EST |
actually, would be great for the IBM attorneys - <i>to wear in
court</i>. force SCO's preposterous "facts" into their face,
in front of the judge, god, the media - everyone. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 01:23 PM EST |
| 400,000 hits a week? I bet groklaw t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc would sell. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Scriptwriter on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 01:47 PM EST |
I have a design for a Groklaw T-shirt that's cooking, but unfortunately I
won't be able to put it up until later today.
However, I do have a motto to go with it:
GROKLAW
Free Software and the Law.
Together again, for the first time.
(Yeah, it's a rip from A Mighty Wind, but that idea wasn't original with
Christopher Guest either.)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: emebit on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 01:57 PM EST |
I had some little conference give-a-way from Caldera that I used one in a while
at work. I couple of months ago I scratched off the Caldera name and logo --
it's much better now. I also have an old (free) Caldera T-shirt. No way I can
been seen wearing that in public now. But it makes a nice rag.
Erasing SCO from existence one logo at a time. Now if only we could have their
corporate charter revoked.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: jraustin on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 02:13 PM EST |
The "Powered By IBM" logo at the top of the eBay page is a nice
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 02:26 PM EST |
The compilation of the Oxford English Dictionary may be the first
example of Open Source development. Herbert Coleridge, grandson of
the famous poet, belonged to the Philological Society of London. Like
many programmers, these people studied words in the evening for no
reason other than their love of the subject. In their case the subject was
language, comparative languages, and the structure and history of
languages.
In1857 there were two dictionaries, one by Samuel Johnson and one by
Noah Webster. Coleridge headed a sub-committee tasked with
identifying words that were missing from these dictionaries. Like Linus
(and the folks at Berkeley before him), he found the existing work to be
lacking, and decided that fixing it wasn't practical and that a new
dictionary was required. It was designed from the start to be a
compendium of how words were actually used in written English, not
how they should be used. In order to compile the usage someone would
have to read _all_ of written English. Clearly, this was too large a task for
even the entire membership of the Philological Society. The Society
passed out leaflets to bookstores and clubs to solicit contributions from
members of the public. People were asked to submit their word, the
sentence in which it was found, and a citation for the work on a
standardized way on 5x7 sheets of paper. Coleridge died shortly after
the project was started and control passed to someone who wasn't
entirely suited to the detail oriented task of collection and editing what
turned out to be many more words than was first anticipated. James
Murray took over and five years after the start of the project published
the first fascicle "A to Ant". Possibly the first example of
"release often".
It wasn't until 1928 that the dictionary was complete. Of course, by then
new words had been added to English and errors in the original work
needed to be fixed, so in 1933 the first patch was made. Another four
volume supplement was published, starting in 1972.
I think if we looked, we'd find many more examples where open source
techniques were used to produce something that either was too big an
undertaking for an individual or firm, or that was not particularly
profitable, so no one was interested in commercializing it, even though
many people were interested in the subject.
Since, this promises to be a slow news week, (at least til Friday) I thought
I might propose a new project for Groklaw. As you know, patents are
fundamentally different from copyright in that patents prevent you from
expressing the same idea, even if you use different words and discover
the idea independently from the one who holds the patent. In my mind.
patents are a much bigger threat to open software than SCO.
There are three kinds of patents that worry me.
1. Patents that are exerted after a technique has become a standard.
The gif patent, and BP's claim to own hyperlinks come to mind.
2. Patents on things that are clearly obvious or already implemented.
Amazons "one-click" and Eolas' plug-in patent are examples of
these. I
also recall a few cases that e-Bay lost for obvious computerized
implementations of physical processes.
3. Patents filed for solely to shut out open software. Microsoft's latest
patents on the file formats for its XML Word documents are examples of
these.
As Linus and others have pointed out, you don't want to look up patents
for everything that you code because, first, you can't tell by reading the
patent what it really means, and second, you don't want to be accused of
"willful" infringement, since damages are greater.
It seems that Groklaw would be an ideal place to implement open source
methods to mitigate the threat that patents hold on software
development.
We need lobbyists to change the laws, users to find prior art, and legal
teams to challenge outrageous patents and patent applications, and PJ to
coordinate and add a touch of subtle humor. It is too much for even the
EFF, but not necessarily for the Groklaw community.
John Scarry
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 02:27 PM EST |
This shirt (if for real) would make a wonderful item to show the court... - as
for the theme of the SCO meeting (and the intent of the slide show).
I really wonder if the SCO T-shirt is for real or if it is a spoof by someone.
Does anyone know of any solid witness that can prove this T-Shirt was made up
for the SCO (show the code) SHOW?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 04:00 PM EST |
We need a picture of Davros, with our Durling's face morphed in, and
underneath, in MICR-characters, something like "Expropriate! Prevaricate!
Litigate!"
And underneath it, "This T-shirt will eventually be copyrighted by SCO:
Stealing Copyrights Ostentatiously since 2003"[ Reply to This | # ]
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- Dalek Mcbride - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 05:33 PM EST
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 04:44 PM EST |
Ha! SCO will own you! Linux has been ripping off SCO
since the beginn....
pppfffffft.
Sorry! I just can't do it with a straight face! I tried!
;)
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 06:29 PM EST |
Does anyone remember the US "Just say no to drugs!" illegal drug
program? I'd like to have a tee-shirt with "Just say no to SCO!"
printed on the back :)
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:25 PM EST |
| Theres no Business like SCO Business ... [ Reply to This | # ]
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- SCO T-Shirt - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:35 PM EST
- A Variation - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 11:13 AM EST
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:28 PM EST |
| Y'know...
There is a place, called CafePress where you can make your
own t-shirts and other stuff..
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| Authored by: Scriptwriter on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 09:47 PM EST |
| As announced to absolutely no audience reaction today. :)
http://www.p
enguinsinthenight.com/scriptwriter/groklaw.html
I chose the "Free
Software and the Law" tagline because I figure someday the SCO debacle will be
something that we'll all just laugh about. Nervously. And then change the
subject. But, Groklaw will probably then move on to bigger and better windmills
to tilt at. So, nothing SCO-specific.
And oh, by the way, the graphic is
released under the terms of the GPL. Have fun with it.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 10:47 PM EST |
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1398341,00.asp
They didn't say they haven't selected them for litigation though :)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 30 2003 @ 11:19 PM EST |
PJ,
I have the VA linux t-shirt you're looking for. It's an XL, and it's too
small for me. If you want, I'll send it to you. Rgrds,
Onno
onno<at>ctje.nl[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Tim Ransom on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 12:08 AM EST |
http://timransomsfeeblemind.blog
spot.com
Thanks again,[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 02:44 AM EST |
I think we need a clarification for non-programmers what RCU is. Its actually a
very simple algorithm. You copy a value to allow parallel access and update it
only if it didn't change in the meantime. You can implement this in 50 lines.
The linux stuff is somewhat more complex because its modular and reusable
between architecture and has a nice callback scheme. But still, its a fairly
simple idea that is maybe patentable, but certainly not worth to copy/steal from
other OSs. We are talking about a few lines of code here. SCO is full of shit if
they think they can claim $3bn damage even if they would own some similar code
(which they probably do not). The underlying problem is that a bean counter like
McBridge has no ******* clue about what he is talking about when using names
like SMP, RCU. Unfortunately, the jury is not going to have a clue either. RCU
is such a fundamental idea, this is like SCO claiming we own binary
"0" and "1" and you use it all over the place in Linux.
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- RCU clarification - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 05:55 AM EST
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| Authored by: Mecha on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 04:39 AM EST |
Here is a ppt on sco/caldera site:
http://www.caldera.com/spain/scotour2003/SCOIP.ppt
Its in spanish but has some code in it? I am not a programmer (nor lawyer) and
I can not read spanish too well (mui piquito) so I haven't the foggiest. The
code is from the kernel I believe. Here is a sample
/* This file is subject to the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public
* License. See the file "COPYING" in the main directory of this
archive for more details.
* Copyright (C) 1992 - 1997, 2000-2002 xxxxxxxx, Inc. All rights reserved.
*/
#include <linux/types.h>
#include <linux/slab.h>
#include <asm/sn/xxx.h>
#include <asm/sn/addrs.h>
/*
* Allocate 'size' units from the given map.
* Return the base of the allocated space.
* In a map, the addresses are increasing and the
* list is terminated by a 0 size.
* Algorithm is first-fit.
*/
ulong_t
atealloc(
struct map *mp,
size_t size)
{
register unsigned int a;
register struct map *bp;
register unsigned long s;
if (size == 0)
return) ((ulong_t NULL);
s = mutex_spinlock(maplock(mp));
for (bp = mapstart(mp); bp->m_size; bp++) {
if (bp->m_size >= size) {
a = bp->m_addr;
bp->m_addr += size;
if ((bp->m_size -= size) == 0) {
do {
bp++;
(bp-1)->m_addr = bp->m_addr;
} while ((((bp-1)->m_size) = (bp->m_size)));
mapsize(mp)++;
}
ASSERT(bp->m_size < 0x80000000);
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| Authored by: brenda banks on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 06:12 AM EST |
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,565034708,00.html
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br3n[ Reply to This | # ]
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- FUD ALERT - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 07:02 AM EST
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| Authored by: brenda banks on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 06:33 AM EST |
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/200
this one made me see red and raise blood pressure so warning you ahead of time
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| Authored by: gumout on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 08:26 AM EST |
I don't think this article is much of a stock pumper.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1398069,00.asp
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How do 99% of lawyers manage to graduate in the bottom 1% of their class?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Tim Ransom on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 09:25 AM EST |
Anyone else notice the increasingly bizarre results one gets when doing Google
news searches on 'SCO', 'Darl McBride' etc?
Today, I get tons of Register
articles from last summer listed as being posted in the last few hours. Good.
Mostly antiFUD, although reruns.
Yesterday, it was sheer FUD reruns. I found
myself commenting on an article that turned out to be from October 2nd, but
allegedly posted only an hour earlier.
Are people from both camps playing games
with Google news? It sure looks that way. I suppose if the forces of FUD are
doing it, it must be countered. Unfortunately, this technique is making it
harder to do research or find fresh news. In the meantime, sorting Google news
results by date is quickly becoming useless.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 10:51 AM EST |
SCO Haik+u - OT
by: redbluff67 12/01/03 05:36 am
Msg: 66577 of 66615
Just some Haiku I rattled up while eating lunch
lie to Greater Fools
great plan for richer execs
comes apart in winter
sys V copying
exposed as BSD code
Darl is up shit creek
gpl scary
to pointy hair managers
no Like? USE OWN CODE
IBM Lawyers
related to the nazgul
SCO death is certain
Stock price collapses
quick ! paint the tape ! Deploy FUD !
More lies, great profit
Cheers
RB
from the Yahoo SCOX board
http://tinyurl.com/x7oy
for all you geeks at GROKLAW.
Enjoy!
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 11:20 AM EST |
OT however I'm not sure where to post general news to share. I've just
scanned through a host of news articles from the Inquirer. Just so everyone
knows, they're re-posts of older news items.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 11:33 AM EST |
HAHA!
I'm the current high bidder. I also have a DivX T shirt, back when they were
one of the most hated companies because of the rent once, throw it away instead
of return it, deal they had.
I think I'll wash my car with it..[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 12:55 PM EST |
Help PJ, I need my fix. Withdrawal symptoms started kicking in some 12 hours
ago.
Couldn't you release one of your articles a little early and add to it as you
have time?
Cold turkey withdrawal is hell.[ Reply to This | # ]
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- Help PJ ! - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 02:05 PM EST
- Help PJ ! - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 02:17 PM EST
- Friday's dose - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, December 01 2003 @ 02:31 PM EST
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