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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 02:23 AM EDT

I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. What a nose I have for these guys.

Already, SCO's Blake Stowell is pointing to the Lineo case as an example "proving" that open source is a problem.

As soon as the story broke, my first thought was to wonder if maybe Canopy went public with it so the case could be used by SCO as an example of problems with the GPL. Actually, that was my first publishable thought. Whether that happened and it's all coordinated or SCO is just coincidentally taking advantage of the case, I'll leave up to you to decide, but take advantage of it they certainly are. Here is the SCO take:

"SCO spokesman Blake Stowell pointed to the case as evidence that open-source software such as Linux needs to be handled and tracked more carefully. 'Fundamentally, there needs to be some mechanism in place to better police open source,' he said."

Evidently the only such case they could find was one where a fellow Canopy Group company was involved as the perp.

Let me get this straight. A Canopy Group company infringes an open source company's code, puts that code in their own product inappropriately, gets caught, and another Canopy Group company (that has been claiming for months that open source code isn't properly policed) says the case proves there is a problem with policing open source? Puh-lease.

They seem to have it backwards. Maybe they couldn't find any cases where proprietary infringing code was grabbed and ended up in open source code, so in their desperation, they settled for the opposite -- a case where one of Canopy's own companies, a combo proprietary-open source company, infringed open source code. And this proves open source needs to be policed? Maybe from them. It looks more like there is a problem with the Canopy Group. So, I agree. Call the police. They should definitely look into this.

Oh, that's not what they meant?

Some more details are emerging:

"MontaVista Software accused its competitor Lineo in April 2002 of selling software that originally came from MontaVista that had its copyright notices removed, said Jason Wachal, MontaVista's lead lawyer. MontaVista filed suit in federal district court in Salt Lake City. 'It appeared to us that Lineo, which was still in its original incarnation, was distributing computer software to its customers or potential customers that had code in it that appeared to be written by MontaVista but that had all of the MontaVista copyright information stripped out of it,' Wacha said. . . . The suit was settled in the third quarter of 2003, Wacha said. Terms of the settlement are sealed."

So this case didn't settle yesterday, or in October at all. According to Bloomberg News, it settled last month. But it surfaces now when Yarro, despite the court records being sealed -- meaning MontaVista can't say anything about the settlement -- nevertheless publicly tells the world all about it. He wasn't a party to this lawsuit, so why did the NY Times call and ask him about it? And more tellingly, why did he answer? And then the next day or so, SCO starts using it in its own twisted way. The whole thing does not pass the sniff test.

Normally, when court records are sealed, it's to keep the details a secret. Usually the defendant is the party wanting it kept sealed, so they don't have to tell the world they were guilty, even if they were. Yet Yarro comes out and gratuitously says that his once-Canopy Group company Lineo, the defendant, was guilty. Why did he not just say the court records are sealed and honor that? Lineo isn't a Canopy Group company now, so why would he be an appropriate spokesperson for this case now? That's what drew my suspicions in the first place. That and the fact that Google can't find any company called Hexamark Technologies, the alleged name of the alleged company in India that Yarro said Lineo outsourced the work to that he says caused the problem. Say, SCO's stock hasn't been going down again, has it?

The article goes on to quote an IP lawyer who opines that it was MontaVista that offered to settle, despite no such facts being in the public record (so how does he know, and if he doesn't know, how does he dare to say it?) in order, the lawyer speculates, to avoid having the GPL litigated in a court trial. Um...like MontaVista brought a lawsuit all about the GPL in the first place because it didn't realize it would end up in court. Maybe the lawyer was misquoted. It's possible. Then again, maybe he wasn't. If he wasn't, shame on him. And then in spite of himself, the lawyer ends up saying the GPL appears to be getting stronger "with each month and quarter that passes". No, son. It was always strong. It's just you guys who are getting weaker, as you begin to grasp what the GPL is about and what it was designed to do -- protect us from the SCOs of this world, which it is, despite SCO, Canopy, or the best efforts of all their ethically challenged FUD helpers.

A note about the SCO timeline

On February 26, 2003, Darl McBride and Robert Bench held SCO's First Quarter Financial Results teleconference, an mp3 of which you can listen to here. There are a number of points covered regarding the company's financials, and a lot of the call was spent on the SCOsource initiative. You financial wizards may find that part of the call more interesting than I did, but what struck me after I thought about it quite a long time was something that McBride said in the question-and-answer session. He was asked what his financial arrangement was with David Boies:

"With respect to the law firm, we're not speaking publicly about our arrangement there, but I can say we have business, uh, alignment...we have business interest alignment with respect to how we're going at it, so the law firm has an interest in what we're going out and doing, and so we think that's the right way to approach it."

Now, SCOsource was under way, but SCO has claimed that the March stock plan was set up prior to any litigation plans, and this call was at the end of February, so according to their timeline, no litigation was yet in the works. But if that were the case, what would the "business interest alignment" be? If they had already planned on suing somebody, the answer might be that Boies had been hired on a contingency basis to handle the lawsuit. But if there was no contemplated lawsuit, what is the business interest alignment? It makes you wonder what the contingency was in the contingency arrangement, when Boies was first hired in January. A percentage of SCOsource monies brought in? Or was a lawsuit expected from the start?

Obviously, only they can answer. But as to whether they already had in mind to sue, see what conclusion you reach from these segments of McBride's remarks:

"Now with respect to the majority of the customers as we've gone down the SCOsource path, you know, the first blush read on this that many of us have is, Gosh, this is a scary place to go. What are people going to say, when you step up and say, Hey, wait a minute, that's my intellectual property, you need to pay me some money? And we've been pleasantly surprised that the majority of the people we talk to are actually very reasonable about it. Most of the discussions we have are very friendly. And in some, many cases we have people that have seen the press releases, the stories in the press and they've called us up and said, Hey, I'm concerned that I might be infringing here, can I sign up for a program? And so what we've done is we've taken a very friendly approach to going out and enforcing our intellectual property in the marketplace."

No one asked him if that was truthful, of course, but was it? Another question arose on SCOsource and again he was asked if they were going to take a non-adversarial approach, and McBride said this:

"Again, the response there is the vast majority of the cases it's actually been a very cooperative, very friendly set of discussions, and we're in various levels of discussions with many, many companies right now. There've really been an isolated one or two cases where people have just told us to take a hike and in those cases, you know, we'll take a different approach. We didn't bring on one of the world's best law firms to have people tell us to take a hike, and then we take a hike. So, you know, in those cases, we'll look at them differently. But again, for the 95% plus case of the people and the companies we're talking to, we're getting very positive responses."

I'd listened to this tape before, but it wasn't until recently that it dawned on me that there is an unexplained "business interest alignment" if you consider SCO's official story of its timeline, and that the timeline itself regarding when a lawsuit was being thought of is impacted by McBride's reference to being willing to go after any recalcitrants who might not pay up, and that in February at least one or two had already told SCO "to take a hike."

As Flaubert said, "God is in the details."




  


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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source- blacklight
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 05:51 AM EDT
Blake Stowell's comment about the Lineo case is part of the same thread or
tissue of lies as the MIT spectral analysis team that vanished into thin air and
the four IBM patents that IBM is alleging that the SCO Group is violating that
he and the SCO Group couldn't find find even though they turn up after a
two-second search of the USPTO website. My rule about lying successfully is that
one should not lie about facts that are easily verifiable unless the other party
is too naive, lazy, stupid or incompetent to verify.

The SCO Group is at least consistent in that it will say anything that it thinks
it can get away with and will shut up only when they see their statements coming
back to haunt them in a court of law.

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Well there is the IBM case also!
Authored by: wpsmoke on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 05:58 AM EDT

Gee, why does'nt Blake cite the IBM GPL copyright suit against SCO Group. Even
more evidence there is problems with the GPL!

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: DrStupid on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 06:34 AM EDT
IBM refuses to indemnify -> SCO says it backs up their position.

HP indemnifies -> SCO says it backs up their position.

Lineo caught misappropriating GPLed code and admit it -> SCO says it backs up
their position.

In other news, cat rescued from well -> SCO says it backs up their position.

We really shouldn't be at all surprised by this. TSG are thrashing around for
straws to clutch at.

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: mac586 on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 06:45 AM EDT
"SCO spokesman Blake Stowell pointed to the case as evidence that open-source software such as Linux needs to be handled and tracked more carefully. 'Fundamentally, there needs to be some mechanism in place to better police open source,' he said."

This is so lame. It is a case of license infringement, regardless of what license protected the original code (source or binary form). The nature of the GPL did not cause Lineo to remove the copyright statements!

How is this any different than a software firm writing and selling an application with the MS Jet DB engine without respecting Microsoft's licensing terms?

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I sincerely hope:
Authored by: WhiteFang on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 07:12 AM EDT
that PJ, Groklaw and the Groklaw Community are causing Darl {forked tongue}
McBribe, Blake {airhead mouthpiece} Stupid, J. C. {MM wannabe} Dolthead and
Ralphie {failed artist} Yawn-o much well deserved anxiety. These people are the
pond scum of the uiverse. And like all such pond scum, I hope the continued
brilliantly lit exposure of their lies, half lies, misdirections, greed, more
lies, self-serving statements cause them to dry up and blow away into an
insignificant existance.

Sorry PJ, I don't usually express my feelings like this. But I really want to
see entry to the poor house and jail time for the above mentioned people.

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: keanu on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 07:24 AM EDT
I wanna just contribute two links to interesting stories..
Getting real about SCO
Samba 3 extends lead over Win 2003

The second one shows the power open source software can have.

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: brenda banks on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 07:53 AM EDT
"SCO spokesman Blake Stowell pointed to the case as evidence that
open-source software such as Linux needs to be handled and tracked more
carefully. "Fundamentally, there needs to be some mechanism in place to
better police open source," he said."
you know he is right
but not the way he means it
we need to better police against sco using open source since they dont seem to
act responsibly towards open source
they dont respect copyrights of open source coders
so he is right
now what is next for OPEN SOURCE to do ?


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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 08:04 AM EDT
What does this case actually demonstrate?
Am I right in assuming that both companies released their software under GPL?
If not, how did MonteVista discover the transgression?

This case does demonstrate that it's impossible for any company to really know
where code comes from. I don't think this demonstrates anything for or against
SCO, as reading the small snippets I've seen, Lineo could have included the
code in either proprietry or open-source software.

However, if it was all GPL, then SCO(or whoever) can cheaply state the this is
simply typical of OpenSource developers stealing software. I don't see any
great wins here. We can tout our line of "It was found because anyone
could see it", but I don't think the train of thought that follows helps:
"Any closed source application could contain ripped off open source code
for years and never be discovered" - it doesn't offer any incentive to
anyone to open their source.

Apparently, Montevista didn't sue on the GPL - they settled out of court, it's
been suggested that they wouldn't want to "test" the GPL. Is this
true?
I personally think the GPL needs a good test to demonstrate its legality and
that this would have been the perfect case. I also don't think that the SCO
case is the best way to test the GPL - the arguments over GPL aspect are neither
clear enough or at the root of the complaint.

The best validation of the OpenSource method I can see coming out of the SCO
case is this:
IBM is found guilty of infringement and fined.
SCO is forced to allow the community to purge infringing code as the code has
already been shown publicly in the linux kernel.

With all respect to IBM, *if* they did copy code, they should be punished
accordingly - just like Lineo.

However, if IBM *didn't* infringe, then the whole OpenSource concept is merely
unchanged, yet we still suffer the damage caused by SCO FUD. I'd like to see
some concrete legal strengthening of the OpenSource position. Maybe RedHat's
case is the best way to do this.

I find myself wanting IBM to be guilty - I feel kind of bad about that. But I
really want this to be solved in the best possible way, for the good of the
OpenSource community. I don't want any questions left over our heads at the end
of it - nomatter how unjust those questions are.

Jim

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SCO is right to go after Linux users sickening
Authored by: brenda banks on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 08:28 AM EDT
"SCO has a duty to assert its claims over disputed open source
code"

the first line lets you know just how sickening

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: PJ on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 08:37 AM EDT
Here's another repulsive Lyons article on Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/10/14/cz_dl_1014linksys.html

I'm too mad to write about it now, but you might want to see it.

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: brenda banks on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 08:52 AM EDT
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Oct/10142003/business/101737.asp

it might be backfiring in the home state


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The world according to Stowell
Authored by: ijramirez on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 09:19 AM EDT
My car got stolen recently. The thief filed away the VIN number and engine
serial numbers, painted the car another color trying to disguise it. During a
raid, my car was identified and recovered. I was offered compensation for my
personal and other damages. According to Mr. Stowell's bright theory, I was the
one at fault, not the thieve. Thieves need to police better what they steal.
According to him, my car got stolen and it was my fault for having it available
for the thief to steal, never mind that it was parked in my well lit driveway.
Of course Darl's theory is that anything that is in the open is avalable for
others to steal (he actually said once that open source code is meant to be
stolen) .... Maybe SCO should be renamed COS (Criminal Organization Scoundrels)

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: mdchaney on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 12:19 PM EDT
I love it. My last email to Stowell (this last weekend) pointed out that he'd
better get some press releases together to pump the stock up in time for the
"planned sell". I also asked him to keep the comedy coming.

The man just doesn't have the word "can't" in his vocabulary...

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Background and Details
Authored by: rand on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 12:49 PM EDT
Pertinant discussions on usenet here and here

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urk...I apologize in advance for wrong keystrokes: tendonitis of the lfet hand, the fingers drag sometimes...

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apologies but
Authored by: brenda banks on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 12:57 PM EDT
i couldnt resist
here is my letter to forbes

'All contents of this Web site are: Copyright © 2000 Forbes.com Inc. 28 West
23rd Street, New York, N.Y., U.S.A., or third-party content providers and are
protected by international copyright law. All rights reserved. FORBES, and other
names of FORBES products referenced herein are trademarks or registered
trademarks of FORBES Management Co., Inc. Other trademarks/logos are the
property of their respective owners.'
do you enforce this?
wouldnt that make you a 'hitman'
i must have misunderstood something about this article.because you are
advocating it is wrong to protect copyrights?
or is just when dollar signs are attached ? or being highly publicized?
what am i missing?
you need to be careful you dont lose respect for obvious bias to the point of
publishing rediculous points that really are stupid when read
br3nda

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 01:15 PM EDT
Here is what I wrote in the "comments section" of the article:

I find it interesting that anyone who thinks Open Source and GPL is a good thing
is called "comrade." Interesting...and also very incorrect. Did it
not occur to these people, using GNU/Linux, that they need to obey the law. We
are all supposed to obey the "Eulas" from Microsoft, Adobe,
Macromedia, etc...they send the BSA after you...just to make sure you are....Why
isn't GPL, the copyright and patent owners of the source code, deserving of the
same consideration? How is that wrong? If you don't like the price they
demand...don't use the software. Isn't that what we are told by Microsoft,
Adobe and Macromedia...if we don't like activation, threats from SBA,
etc...then go else where. Therefore, many of us have gone else where, so can the
folks that don't like the price of GPL. You know the old saying, what is good
for the goose is good for the gander.

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SCO Tries to Use Lineo Case Against Open Source
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 06:12 PM EDT
Is Hexamark for real?

I did a domain name search for Hexamark on current and expired domains on the
main TLD's and was not able to find anything. I also checked all of India's
TLD's and still couldn't find anything. Furthermore I checked all the common
India specific search engines, that I know my fellow Indian's use but didn't
find anything either - Even checked elance too, since a lot of small Indian
outfits are there. Perhaps someone based in India themselves might have better
luck, since its unusual for a company dealing with outsourcing not to have any
presence at all. Unless this is a one or two man operation, either hired by
another outsourcing company, or Lineo's employees? I'm more inclined to
believe its just some B.S. on part of Lineo to get the blame off themselves?

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just some info
Authored by: brenda banks on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 07:24 PM EDT
out of 151 comments posted on the forbes article feedback there is not one
praising the author.
crunchies sure got busy this time and spoke up and the majority were not bad
in fact they were well written replies


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An even-handed ZDNET article
Authored by: Scott_Lazar on Tuesday, October 14 2003 @ 09:12 PM EDT
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5091306.html



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