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Sun: Falling Down the Rabbit Hole
Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 01:44 PM EDT



Sun has invited us all to their tea party. Bring money. Their new Linux distribution, named -- apparently without intended irony -- MadHatter will cost you $50-$100 per employee (not per user) per year. Can't wait? It'll be ready for you in September.

I certainly feel like Alice sometimes in the SCO mess. Don't you?



They hope to sell 50 million of these. If they do, I'll eat my hat. Scott McNealy has a word for you:
"Don't touch open source software unless you have a team of intellectual property lawyers prepared to scour every single piece [of the open source code]. We offer indemnification, but many suppliers do not. A lot of companies are going to get very disappointed as we move forward. It will become a very challenging intellectual property issue."
Who's "we", Kimosabe? Coming out of the closet, Scott? Let me get this straight. You would like to make money from Linux. Gobs and gobs of it. But you would like to kick sand in the face of the creators of the software you wish to make your money from... am I missing something in this business plan? More on his vision, or hallucination, here. Watch what you do in your Wonderland, Scott. You might find yourself getting really, reeeeally small.

Eben Moglen has written a new position paper for OSDL. The actual pdf is here.

There is an interview with me on Linux Online. They wanted to ask me why I do this and other questions. So, I explain. Yesterday, it was The Inquirer.

More on Caldera contributions to Linux.

Greg T. Hill decided to look under the covers of 2.4.19 and here is what he found, with some explanation, in case you still aren't convinced that Caldera officially contributed to the Linux kernel knowingly:

Just a simple "grep -r 'Caldera' /usr/src/linux/*" and "grep -r 'caldera' /usr/src/linux/* on kernel sources for 2.4.19 (patched for SGI's xfs) turns up all of the following

/usr/src/linux/CREDITS:S: Caldera (Deutschland) GmbH
N: Stefan Probst
E: sp@caldera.de D: The Linux Support Team Erlangen, 1993-97
S: Caldera (Deutschland) GmbH
S: Lazarettstrasse 8
S: 91054 Erlangen
S: Germany

/usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/tlan.txt:(C) 1997-1998
Caldera, Inc.
*first copyright listed

/usr/src/linux/Documentation/smp.tex:The author wishes to thank
Caldera Inc.
( http://www.caldera.com )
The author wishes to thank Caldera Inc. ( http://www.caldera.com ) whose donation of an ASUS dual Pentium board made this project possible, and Thomas Radke, whose initial work on multiprocessor Linux formed the backbone of this project.

/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/CMI8338: b. Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 b. Caldera OpenLinux 2.2
Use LISA to load the cmpci module.

/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/smpboot.c: * (Original development of Linux SMP code supported by Caldera.)

/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/tlan.c: * (C) 1997-1998 Caldera, Inc.
*first copyright listed

/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/tlan.h: * (C) 1997-1998 Caldera, Inc.
*first copyright listed

/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/advansys.c: AdvanSys driver in the Caldera releases.
Erik Ratcliffe has done testing of the AdvanSys driver in the Caldera releases.

/usr/src/linux/net/ipx/af_ipx.c: * Portions Copyright (c) 1995 Caldera, Inc.

* Portions Copyright (c) 1995 Caldera, Inc.
* Neither Greg Page nor Caldera, Inc. admit liability nor provide
* warranty for any of this software. This material is provided
* "AS-IS" and at no charge.

*

/usr/src/linux/net/ipx/af_ipx.c: KERN_INFO "IPX Portions Copyright (c) 1995
Caldera, Inc.n"

/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Configure.help:# LocalWords: caldera
Preload
Preloading slowdowns schoebel uni NBD nbd prog

/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/slip.c: * from Jim Freeman's

* Matti Aarnio : Dynamic SLIP devices, with ideas taken * from Jim Freeman's

/usr/src/linux/drivers/char/drm/drm_context.h: * 2001-11-16 Torsten Duwe

* ChangeLog:
* 2001-11-16 Torsten Duwe
* added context constructor/destructor hooks,
* needed by SiS driver's memory management.

/usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/maestro.c: * v0.15 - May 21 2001 - Marcus Meissner
* History
* v0.15 - May 21 2001 - Marcus Meissner
* Ported to Linux 2.4 PCI API. Some clean ups, global devs list
* removed (now using pci device driver data).
* PM needs to be polished still. Bumped version.

/usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/sonicvibes.c: *
Meissner

* 18.05.2001 0.30 PCI probing and error values cleaned up by Marcus
* Meissner

/usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/esssolo1.c: *
* 15.05.2001 pci_enable_device moved, return values in probe cleaned
* up. Marcus Meissner
* 22.05.2001 0.19 more cleanups, changed PM to PCI 2.4 style, got rid * of global list of devices, using pci device data.
* Marcus Meissner

/usr/src/linux/drivers/sound/nm256_audio.c: *
19-04-2001 Marcus Meissner
* Ported to 2.4 PCI API.

usr/src/linux/fs/freevxfs/vxfs_olt.c: printk(KERN_NOTICE "vxfs: please notify hch@caldera.de n");




Update: And SCO adds to the mix by announcing OKP for UnixWare:

SCO Announces Availability of OpenServer Kernel Personality on UnixWare®
OpenServer Kernel Personality (OKP) for UnixWare 7.1.3 Leverages the Components of OpenServer and UnixWare for Greater UNIX® Scalability, Extending the Reach of OpenServer Applications - Giving OpenServer Customers More Choices

LINDON, Utah, Jul 31, 2003 The SCO Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: SCOX), the owner of the UNIX® operating system, today announced the availability of OpenServer Kernel Personality (OKP) for customers who want the additional power of UnixWare® for their OpenServer applications. Building upon the reliability of OpenServer, UnixWare provides the capability for OpenServer applications to leverage the increased scalability, performance, CPU support, and clustering technology available for UnixWare without the need to invest in costly migration projects.

OKP contains Xenix compatibility and supports OpenServer 5.0.4, 5.0.5, 5.0.6 and the latest 5.0.7 release. Many applications that were written for current and older versions of OpenServer, including SCO UNIX, SCO OpenDesktop, that run on OpenServer 5.0.4 or later release, will run on OKP. "OpenServer has an excellent track record and reputation for reliability and availability and it continues to be developed and maintained. OKP on UnixWare helps customers gain greater uptime because UnixWare 7.1.3 supports hot plug CPU, hot add memory, and hot plug PCI thus eliminating unnecessary downtime," said Janet Sullivan, Senior Manager, Product Marketing, for SCO. "For customers that have a need for these benefits, OKP is ideal because it protects your investment in OpenServer applications and avoids costly end-user re-training."

"OKP provides more choices for OpenServer customers," said Jeff Hunsaker, senior vice president of marketing, SCO. "They can choose to continue to update their OpenServer environments, or they can use UnixWare 7.1.3 with OKP. Either way, the customer is assured that their investment in OpenServer applications is protected."

Some of the additional benefits that customers will gain using OKP on UnixWare 7.1.3 are:

-- Increased reliability through the use of Reliant HA Clusters on UnixWare
-- Support for up to 32 CPUs per server
-- Increased performance of UnixWare
-- Ability to consolidate physical or logical workloads on fewer, more powerful servers
Pricing and Availability

OpenServer Kernel Personality is immediately available as an add-on to UnixWare 7.1.3 via download from the Web. Beginning August 1, it will be packaged into the UnixWare media kit.

For a limited time, a license for the Business or Departmental Edition of UnixWare 7.1.3 with OKP is available for special, promotional trade in prices. The promotional trade in price applies to OpenServer 5.0.4 through 5.0.7 and represents a savings of between $150 and $200 over the normal trade in price.

For additional information, contact your local SCO authorized reseller or contact SCO at http://www.sco.com/products/unixware713 / or by calling 1 (800) 726-8649.

About The SCO Group

The SCO Group (Nasdaq: SCOX) helps millions of customers in more than 82 countries to grow their businesses with UNIX business solutions. Headquartered in Lindon, Utah, SCO has a worldwide network of more than 11,000 resellers and 4,000 developers. SCO Global Services provides reliable localized support and services to all partners and customers. For more information on SCO products and services visit http://www.sco.com.

SCO and the associated SCO logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of The SCO Group, Inc., in the U.S. and other countries. UNIX and UnixWare are registered trademarks of The Open Group in the United States and other countries. All other brand or product names are or may be trademarks of, and are used to identify products or services of, their respective owners.


  


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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 11:09 AM EDT
McNealy's trying what George Weiss already did "if you believe SCO has a strong case, pay" So, your kids finish the cake, your neighbors finish the same cake, your co workers finish the same cake, some guys at the pub finish the same cake, your pet parakeet finishes the same cake AND YOU STILL HAVE THE CAKE.

Neat trick, Scott and George.


Sanjeev

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 11:11 AM EDT
To be fair to Sun, MadHatter is not just Linux. It is a software stack built on Linux which includes StarOffice and other proprietary software. Provided Sun doesn't try to pull any fast ones with respect to the GPL, they have every right to try and sell (note the "try") an annual subscription for support and some addon software.

When Sun last sold Linux, they did so in complete compliance with the GPL. Obviously we'll all be watching closely what they do with MadHatter, but my personal feeling is that the GPL'ed bits of Mad Hatter will be distributed under the GPL. This doesn't make Sun's tactics any less cynical, but it's too early to damn them in the same breath as SCO.


Dr Stupid

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 01:12 PM EDT
save yourself the trouble of running grep twice and do 'grep -ir caldera /usr/src/linux*'
nexex

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 02:29 PM EDT
I've got one nasty question: "Will Sun also indemnify its customers against Microsoft lawsuits?" I wouldn't be surprised is Microsoft started a patent infringement lawsuit against Linux... (Rumours are they wait until after the software patent vote in the European Parliament.) Sun and Microsoft aren't realy friends.
MathFox

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 03:03 PM EDT
Wow, MathFox, I never thought of that. What an interesting question. What does
the indemnification include? All lawsuits or just SCO lawsuits? style="height: 2px; width: 20%; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: auto;">pj

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 03:13 PM EDT
Well, we'll have to wait until Sun provides the details. I personally fear
patent lawsuits more than copyright lawsuits because patents are far harder to
code around. I sincerely hope that European sofware patents can be stopped, but
that's just cold comfort for the Americans...
MathFox

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 05:36 PM EDT
Your link to linux online is dead....
Sanjeev

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, July 31 2003 @ 11:46 PM EDT
Sanjeev, I just checked the link and it works for me fine. Must have been
/.ed.
pj

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 01 2003 @ 12:19 AM EDT
Given that MS's recent licensing change indemnified against all liability -
well, it doesn't really (see an earlier groklaw entry) but it was certainly
engineered to look that way - then from a purely business perspective Sun may
have no choice but to offer full indemnity. MathFox is right that patent
lawsuits are a far greater risk, not just because they are harder to code around
but because the chance of inadvertent violation is greater. Thus if I, as a head
of IT, aren't offered indemnity by Sun then I may as well just stuff <insert
your favourite distro> on my desktops.
Dr Stupid

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 01 2003 @ 03:03 AM EDT
Well, so far, Sun hasn't indemnified except for Solaris, not Linux. It's considering the latter: http://www.eweek.com/ article2/0,3959,1208365,00.asp

You always have choices, Dr Stupid. Even in business.


pj

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 01 2003 @ 03:33 AM EDT
Exactly - but if Sun thinks it will switch sell many to Solaris by this method
they're mistaken. Everyone, including Sun, has the right to make *bad*
choices....
Dr Stupid

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 01 2003 @ 10:00 AM EDT
heh heh

But when they make those bad choices, we can notice and make some choices ourselves.


pj

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radiocomment
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 01 2003 @ 10:35 AM EDT
Surely you're not suggesting we turn down Sun's incredibly generous offer??? How can you resist? For only $100 extra an employee (including the office cat) you get... let's see.... some clipart, a fairly obscure (though I'm sure perfectly adequate) database... ooo, <jumps excitedly> and a Sun logo on bootup so I can pretend I own a mainframe!! And a signed photo of Scott!!

<homer> By the way, I was being sarcastic! </homer>

:)


Dr Stupid

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