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Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 03:27 PM EDT
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SCO Can't Go After Statutory Damages or Atty's Fees For Newly Registered Materials, Says Copyright Office
I just spoke with an "information specialist" as they are termed, at the US Copyright Office. The office has them available to explain things, (202) 707-5959, M-F, 8:30 AM to 5 PM, EDT.
We walked through the copyrights, the old one and the new SCO Group one, and Skip told me that whatever is "New Matter" or "revisions" is copyrighted only as of the date of the filing. Whatever was filed in 1992 is covered since back then, but whatever they just filed is not. So the question is: what was registered back in the 90's (I see nothing later than that for Unix System Laboratories, Inc.) and what was just registered?
This means, he explained, that SCO couldn't go after statutory damages and lawyer's fees for any infringement that happened prior to the date of the new filing in June regarding any infringement of the "New Matter" or "revisions". They could still go after actual damages, but my, oh my, is that ever harder to prove. No wonder they aren't in a hurry to sue anyone. And here I thought they were turning over a new leaf. . . . not.
He explained some other details too, such as the fact that TXu means unpublished but registered, and that the "et al" in the new copyright record means that there were other revisions and filings after 1992. He also suggested Circular 61 as being the best explanation about registering a copyright, and you can get the pdf here. What would be important would be when the SMP, RCU, JFS, etc. functions were registered in UNIX System V, if they were. If anyone were in the Washington area, they could just pop over to the Copyright Office and go through the paper records and find out exactly who registered what and when, tracing the entire ownership history. They have experts there to help out. Anyone volunteer? If so, here are directions:
"The Copyright Office is open to the public Monday-Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., eastern time, except federal holidays. The Copyright Office is located in the Library of Congress, James Madison Memorial Building, 101 Independence Avenue, S.E., Washington, D.C., near the Capitol South Metro stop. The Public Information Office is in LM-401, and information specialists are available to answer questions, provide circulars, and accept applications for registration. Visitors must follow certain security procedures upon entry and exit. Access for disabled individuals is at the front door on Independence Avenue, S.E. All patrons using copyright records in public service areas are required to have Reader Identification Cards issued by the Library."
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 12:51 PM EDT |
Unfortunately, that won't work.
First, public access to "unpublished" copyright files is generally (but not
completely) restricted.
Second, even if you do get access, the code in the file isn't likely to help in
many cases. As a copyright registrant you need only usually provide the first
and last 25 pages of code (or changes), with variations on that rule for machine
code, trade secrets (which can be blacked out), and so on... this is in the
computer code copyright circular that can be found on the copyright office web
site. It also means that the copyright registration file for computer code is a
difficult source for evidentiary support.
It makes the task you are suggesting (while important) daunting and practically
impossible, and raises one of the major unanswered questions in modern copyright
law as it applies to computer code -- how to prove exactly what is a derivative
work in computer-code-land (I'm talking about "proof" on paper for copyright
registration, not so much the abstraction-filtration-expression test).
Otherwise, though, thanks for the great weblog. brillig slithy tove[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 01:44 PM EDT |
It seems very much like SCO have filed a copyright registration for the sake of
it - i.e. in order to have something to talk about at the telecon. Has anyone
here seen the comment on Yahoo? http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&act
ion=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&sid=1600684464&mid=20394
I can't comment on the details, but certainly SCO's copyright claims remain
nebulous - especially the parts about "methods and concepts" which are not
covered by copyright at all. Claims like that reinforce the impression that SCO
are targeting ill-informed managers who just see the words "alledged IP
infringement" and panic.
I very much doubt that if IBM registered the JFS code, it gave the copyright to
SCO ;)
Also note that although SCO alledges further that System V code was copied into
the kernel verbatim by "unix vendors", it conveniently omits to say who, even
though this could be easily established from the mailing list archives. If you
don't name anyone, they can't sue you for libel ;) However, we do know one unix
vendor who openly contributed code to the kernel as part of company policy -
Caldera!
Brillig's point is well-made: but it cuts both ways for SCO. In the case of
allegedly copied code, the burden of proof is on them to show they wrote it
first. Given that timestamps on files can be effortlessly forged, a lack of
signed, dated, paper printouts acts against them. Remember that the analysts
shown the famous "80 lines" noted that all dates had been removed from both
listings - why? Surely SCO would leave the dates in if "their" code had an
earlier date?
SCO have not even contacted Red Hat - is this the action of a company protecting
its IP? They made 2.4.13 source code available for months, without any change to
its stated license or copyright notice, from their FTP site (and apparently it's
still available from a few urls), even though dozens of people publicly
expressed amazement this was happening - would a company which honestly believed
it owned IP therein do this? ftp.kernel.org has received no legal notice from
SCO telling it to stop offering the kernel source code - again, what *sane*
management would allow this blatant infringement of IP to continue? Are SCO
intent on setting a legal record by allowing every possible affirmative defence
by IBM to apply many times over? Dr Stupid[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 01:55 PM EDT |
What the "information specialist" told me is worth following through on: was
there a transfer of copyright to SCO? I can't find any in the databank online.
But the paper trail on that would be clear. As for what they file, he said it's
true they only file the beginning and end, but they also file a description.
The description might be helpful indeed. Even if nothing showed up, it'd still
be helpful, because then there really is no proof of infringement short of a day
in court. That alone would be helpful. Can anyone tell me if SMP, JFS, RCU
etc. were in UNIX System V in 1992? If not, when? Because the copyright would
only cover it from the actual point that functionality was registered.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22 2003 @ 01:56 PM EDT |
I also asked the information specialist about enforcement. He said, using an
ISP take-down letter as an example, that if someone sends a notice of
infringement, it's up to the ISP to respond or not. If not, because of not
believing the validity of the claim, then it goes to court to decide if there is
a valid infringement or not. pj[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 23 2003 @ 01:10 AM EDT |
<usual disclaimer - this is a personal view only>
JFS was never in System V proper. AIX 3.1 (which was IBM's own mix of System V
and BSD) shipped with JFS1 - and that was intimately tied to their own system,
i.e. it could not have even been ported back to System V. IBM then rewrote JFS
completely clean-room and this JFS was released in OS/2 in 1999. JFS2 for AIX
was next released - this was based on the old JFS1 code. Linux's JFS is based on
the clean-room OS/2 implementation.
Therefore, the only JFS technology that *anyone* could have copyrighted in 1992
was JFS1, but that was entirely in IBM's hands - so the documents filed in 1992
couldn't cover that. Even if they did, they wouldn't cover JFS for Linux which
is not related to the JFS1 code.
Moreover, unless I'm very much mistaken, System V *to this day* has neither
JFS1,JFS2, or JFS. SCO's claims over JFS reside entirely on their contractual
argument that because IBM created JFS1 for a SystemV derivative os (AIX), all
other implementations of JFS - even clean-room - are theirs. If this sounds
risible, it's probably because it is.
I'm not sure about RCU & NUMA, but the story is probably similar. For example:
SCO's own products don't support NUMA. Sequent wrote NUMA and SCO was allowed
use of that code in Project Monterey. SCO now seems to think this means they own
it. Maybe there was a contractual agreement in Monterey not to re-use the code
outside the project, but that's a contractual dispute, not copyright.
SMP is a red herring. Alan Cox wrote the original support himself (with
Caldera's blessing!) and it would be impossible, given the different kernel
architectures, for his work to infringe on System V's copyright. For SMP to
scale well beyond 4 cpus, you need things like NUMA and RCU, which is why SCO
drags them in. But the original SMP support was in 2.2, and SCO have indicated
the 2.2 kernel is ok, so by their own mouths they have blown that claim out of
the water.
Which brings us back to the beginning - SCO is claiming contractual violations
by IBM (and Sequent, now part of IBM) relating to JFS, RCU and NUMA. The JFS
aspect is not only baseless but irrelevant since Linux already had other
journalling filesystems available to make it enterprise ready, and SCO's product
doesn't have JFS. That leaves RCU and NUMA. Even if IBM violated the Monterey
contract in giving them to Linux, that would not give SCO copyright ownership.
And even if some weird interpretation of the original AT&T contract gave SCO
copyright ownership of the RCU and NUMA code, both segments of code could be
easily removed from the kernel and re-written, since SCO holds patents for
neither. Therefore SCO's refusal to send a letter to Linus saying "please remove
the RCU and NUMA code" nets them "forty laches" (pardon the pun) Dr Stupid[ Reply to This | # ]
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