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Hot off the presses: Judge Dale Kimball has issued a 102-page ruling [PDF] on the numerous summary judgment motions in SCO v. Novell. Here it is as text. Here is what matters most: [T]he court concludes that Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare Copyrights. That's Aaaaall, Folks! The court also ruled that "SCO is obligated to recognize Novell's waiver of SCO's claims against IBM and Sequent". That's the ball game. There are a couple of loose ends, but the big picture is, SCO lost. Oh, and it owes Novell a lot of money from the Microsoft and Sun licenses.
If anyone can please put this into text for us, that'd be simply great. [We have it done.] There is a filing in IBM also, and here's the docket entry: 08/10/2007 1077 - NOTICE OF DECISION AND REQUEST FOR STATUS UPDATE. Signed
by Judge Dale A. Kimball on 8-10-07. (sih) (Entered: 08/10/2007)
Judge Kimball asks the parties, in view of the ruling in Novell, which "significantly impacts the claims and counterclaims asserted" in IBM, to prepare by August 31 "a statement of its view of the status of this case and, more specifically, the effect of the SCO v. Novell decision on each of the pending motions."
All right, all you Doubting Thomases. I double dog dare you to complain about the US court system now. I told you if you would just be patient, I had confidence in the system's ability to sort this out in the end. But we must say thank you to Novell and especially to its legal team, Morrison & Foerster, for the incredible work they have done. I know it's not technically over and there will be more to slog through, but they won what matters most, and it's been a plum pleasin' pleasure watching you work. The entire FOSS community thanks you for your skill and all the hard work and thanks go to Novell for being willing to see this through. I'm eating chocolates!

My thanks to Jill C. Carpenter for the cartoon, and to UserFriendly's JD Frazer, who inspired it.
Here's the Conclusion section, which sums up the decision:
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CONCLUSION
For the reasons stated above, the court concludes that Novell is the owner of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights. Therefore, SCO's First Claim for Relief for slander of title and Third Claim for specific performance are dismissed, as are the copyright ownership portions of SCO's Fifth Claim for Relief for unfair competition and Second Claim for Relief for breach of implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. The court denies SCO's cross-motion for summary judgment on its own slander of title, breach of contract, and unfair competition claims, and on Novell's slander of title claim. Accordingly, Novell's slander of title claim is still at issue.
The court also concludes that, to the extent that SCO has a copyright to enforce, SCO can simultaneously pursue both a copyright infringement claim and a breach of contract claim based on the non-compete restrictions in the license back of the Licensed Technology under APA and the TLA. The court further concludes that there has not been a change of control that released the non-compete restrictions of the license, and the non-compete restrictions of the license are not void under California law. Accordingly, Novell's motion for summary judgment on SCO's non-compete claim in its Second Claim for breach of contract and Fifth Claim for unfair competition is granted to the extent that SCO's claims require ownership of the UNIX and UnixWare copyrights, and denied in all other regards.
Furthermore, the court concludes, as a matter of law, that the only reasonable interpretation of the term "SVRX License" in the APA is all licenses related to the SVRX products listed in Item VI of Schedule 1.1(a) to the APA. Therefore, Novell is entitled to a declaration of rights under its Fourth Claim for Relief that it was and is entitled, at its sole discretion, to direct SCO to waive its claims against IBM and Sequent, and SCO is obligated to recognize Novell's waiver of SCO's claims against IBM and Sequent. Accordingly, Novell's motion for partial summary judgment on its Fourth Claim for Relief for declaratory judgment is granted, and SCO's cross-motion for summary judgment on Novell's Fourth Claim for Relief is denied.
Finally, the court concludes, as a matter of law, that the only reasonable interpretation of all SVRX Licenses includes no temporal restriction of SVRX Licenses existing at the time of the APA. The court further concludes that because a portion of SCO's 2003 Sun and Microsoft Agreements indisputably licenses SVRX products listed under Item VI of Schedule 1.1(a) to the APA, even if only incidental to a license for UnixWare, SCO is obligated under the APA to account for and pass through to Novell the appropriate portion relating to the license of SVRX products. Because SCO failed to do so, it breached its fiduciary duty to Novell under the APA and is liable for conversion.
The court, however, is precluded from granting a constructive trust with respect to the payments SCO received under the 2003 Sun and Microsoft Agreements because there is a
question of fact as to the appropriate amount of SVRX Royalties SCO owes to Novell based on
the portion of SVRX products contained in each agreement. Furthermore, because Novell has
obtained the information that it would otherwise obtain through an accounting during the course
of this litigation, the court denies Novell's Ninth Claim for Relief for an accounting. However,
the court also notes that SCO has a continuing contractual obligation to comply with the
accounting and reporting requirements set forth in the APA.
Accordingly, Novell's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment or Preliminary Injunction
[Docket No. 147] is GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART; SCO's Cross-Motion for
Summary Judgment or Partial Summary Judgment on Novell's Third, Sixth, Seventh, Eighth and
Ninth Counterclaims [Docket No. 180] is GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART;
Novell's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Fourth Claim [Docket No. 171] is
GRANTED; SCO's Cross-Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Novell's Fourth Claim
[Docket No. 224] is DENIED; SCO's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its First,
Second, and Fifth Claims and Novell's First Claim [Docket No. 258] is DENIED; Novell's
Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on Copyright Ownership of SCO's Second Claim for
Breach of Contract and Fifth Claim for Unfair Competition [Docket No. 271] is GRANTED;
Novell's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on SCO's Non-Compete Claims in its Second
and Fifth Claims [Docket No. 273] is GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART; Novell's
Motion for Summary Judgment on SCO's First Claim for Slander of Title and Third Claim for
Specific Performance [Docket No. 275] is GRANTED; and Novell's Motion for Summary
Judgment on SCO's First Claim for Slander of Title for Failure to Establish Special Damages [Docket No. 277] is MOOT.
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| Authored by: devnull13 on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 04:57 PM EDT |
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 04:57 PM EDT |
| Victoire!!!! [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: peterhenry on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 04:58 PM EDT |
For all those misteaks --> mistakes
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- your -> you - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:16 PM EDT
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| Authored by: peterhenry on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 04:59 PM EDT |
Off Topic Posts start here....
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| Authored by: IMANAL on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 04:59 PM EDT |
CET 22:54, when it matters the most.
More than three years to hear that. Wow!!!
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| Authored by: peterhenry on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:01 PM EDT |
As we are being trained to do...
Discuss your newspicks here so we can pick them out
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:02 PM EDT |
Ding! Dong! The Witch is Dead!
Err...let the appeals begin....[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: eggplant37 on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:02 PM EDT |
We're dancing now! How soon until red dress time??
Oh my goodness, if I hadn't been sprawled on the couch, laptop in lap, and
somewhat near sleep, I'd have fallen out of my chair. I'm suddenly wide awake
and looking to see where the order is. I want to read the news with my own eyes,
not that I don't believe the inestimable PJ's posting here on Groklaw.
Oh, there will be much celebration here. I've awaited this day with bated breath
for years and can now relax and breathe much easier.
WOOT!!![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: seanlynch on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:03 PM EDT |
| Congratulations Novell! [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: itchytweed on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:04 PM EDT |
After being on vacation for a week and no data service due to a toes-up DSL
modem, this is wonderful news to test the replacement equipment on. Now to wait
for the rest of the fireworks to go off![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:05 PM EDT |
Executive summary of the other important conclusions of this motion
(p100-p102):
[...] Novell is entitled to a declaration of rights under its Fourth Claim for
Relief that it was and is entitled, at its sole discretion, to direct SCO to
waive its claims against IBM and Sequent [...]
[...] The court further concludes that because a portion of SCO’s 2003 Sun and
Microsoft Agreements indisputably licenses SVRX products listed under Item VI of
Schedule 1.1 (a) to the APA, even if only incidental to a license for UnixWare,
SCO is obligated under the APA to account for and pass through to Novell the
appropriate portion relating to the license of SVRX products. Because SCO failed
to do so, it breached its fiduciary duty to Novell under the APA and is liable
for conversion.[...]
The court, however, is precluded from granting a constructive trust with respect
to the payments SCO received under the 2003 Sun and Microsoft Agreements because
there is a question of fact as to the appropriate amount of SVRX Royalties SCO
owes to Novell [...].
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| Authored by: chaz_paw on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:05 PM EDT |
WOW!
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| Authored by: Steve Martin on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:06 PM EDT |
I'll do the text on it, if you can wait until I get home (and until I pop a cork
to celebrate).
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:07 PM EDT |
The case was not about copyright ownership, but about slander of title. Now
could not SCO at least get a ruling on attempted slander of title, on the basis
that Novell could not possibly have believed to own the copyrights even though
it did?
Something like that. Or so.
Anyway, let's hope that the court handed SCO enough rope to hang itself on three
or four gallows.
And what does this mean for the counterclaims? License money, enough to let SCO
go broke. Will they survive long enough to see their other cases thrown out of
court?
Basically this leaves only the IBM case, and on the flimsiest legal theories.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:08 PM EDT |
Soon we should see some "interesting" press, and possibly a few Flying
Chairs (tm).
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:11 PM EDT |
With regards the ruling, the phrase SWEEEEEETTTTT just doesn't seem to cut it
;)
As of 3:09 Edmonton, AB time: nothing in the main news sources showing
up on Google quite yet. Wonder when they'll wake up.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:12 PM EDT |
This *is* interesting, since the conveyance from AT&T to Novell has never
been questioned, and Novell themselves may never have received complete
copyright ownership in the first place.
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| Authored by: saltydogmn on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:13 PM EDT |
Let's all toast the fact that SCOX is now, indeed, toast.
CHEERS!
Here's to you, Darl. HA![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:13 PM EDT |
SCOX always rises on bad news, so I predict that on Monday the share price will
reach $100.
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| Authored by: ox on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:17 PM EDT |
Even an old disenfranchised jaded Viet Vet stands in awe. Justice is served! The
Light has won a major issue in modern America. {Blinks in amazement}
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| Authored by: anesq on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:18 PM EDT |
As a bit of color commentary on the timing:
Judicial clerks, the judicial assistants who go to work for judges usually right
out of law school, generally work for a judge for a year or two, and generally
from September to September. They also tend to do the heavy lifting on opinions
like this, and can have a lot of institutional knowledge on particular cases in
their heads. I suspect that this opinion came out now because it needed to be
finished before the current clerk(s) left and the new clerk(s) came on board.
This way, Judge Kimball doesn't have to get yet another clerk up to speed on the
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| Authored by: Steve Martin on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:19 PM EDT |
So much for TSG's Fifth Cause of Action against IBM!
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:21 PM EDT |
| Doesn't the stock price normally react to things like this? :) [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:26 PM EDT |
So what do we do now, Brain?
Narf!
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| Authored by: chris hill on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:28 PM EDT |
How do people think magazines like Forbes will spin this?
They don't like to admit they're wrong, and have tried to paint SCO as the
protectors of all that is good with Dan Lyons.
Will they back down and admit they're wrong, or will they say it's delayed
justice and SCO will win in the end?
Chris[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Filter on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:31 PM EDT |
| Yay!!! [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:33 PM EDT |
| hahahahaha!!!! how awesome! appeal time? [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:35 PM EDT |
| Bwaa haa haa haa haaaa! Bye bye SCO! [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:35 PM EDT |
Tufty
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| Authored by: Guil Rarey on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:35 PM EDT |
Discuss here
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| Authored by: Guil Rarey on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:36 PM EDT |
Discuss here
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:37 PM EDT |
So... the big question:
Will SCOG accept they went down the wrong path
completely when they decided to sue IBM or will they still - being as stuborn as
they seem to be - insist that they're in the right?
My vote is that
they'll insist IBM is all about the contract and that the ownership of the Unix
copyrights means nothing because they still control IBM's works due to the
contract interpretation. After all, they've used that line already in a few
places.
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| Authored by: bigbert on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:39 PM EDT |
SO good to hear! Thanks to all involved, and especially to PJ who has kept on,
year after year, to hammer home the point.
Any bets how quickly the rest will unravel? Will we have peace by Christmas?
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| Authored by: esni on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:40 PM EDT |
'The court, however, is precluded from granting a constructive trust with
respect to the Accordingly, Novell's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment or
Preliminary Injunction [Docket No. 147] is GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART;'
Why is that?
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| Authored by: Tim Ransom on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:47 PM EDT |
On a beautiful summer Friday evening, no less!
Oh, to be a fly on the wall in Lindon!
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| Authored by: tredman on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:49 PM EDT |
I UNDERSTAND that this is only the Novell case, and IBM, Red Hat and AutoZone
still wait in the wings for their day...
I UNDERSTAND that this doesn't settle all claims on both sides, that we still
have some work to do on what remains...
I UNDERSTAND that we've only just scratched the surface on this, what with the
litany train of appeals to come...
With that said, I just have two words:
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Okay, now that I have that out of my system, this weekend should be about
getting the decision transcribed into plain text, finding out what motions are
still on the table, analyze what this moots in the IBM case as well as RH/AZ,
and seeing where we go next.
It's far from over, and the case has been on a downhill slide for some time now,
but I think we've reached the point where spin just ain't gonna cover it up any
more.
I think there are also implications with this in terms of the Novell/Microsoft
deal. Does their ownership of the UNIX copyrights give them an upper hand in
that relationship, or will we see the agreement start to wither? Or was the
upfront money that MS ponied up on that deal a portent that Bill et al truly
knew the UNIX technology which Microsoft has dutifully licensed for years,
stayed with Novell after all?
There is work to be done, but tonight, everybody raise a
glass/mug/flagon/container of choice in the air and celebrate a milestone. PJ,
Mathfox, and all the rest of you deserve it.
---
Tim
"I drank what?" - Socrates, 399 BCE[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:51 PM EDT |
I'm double-dog glad that Judge Kimball issued the ruling we've all been
anticipating, and the the bad guys didn't win.
My only complaint is that the plaintiff of these cases was able to drag them out
for *over 4 years* before the first seriously dispositive ruling was issued.
To put this in perspective: I became an IBM employee a few months after the SCO
debacle started. I worked there for four years, following the SCO cases here at
Groklaw for most of that time. Then I quit my job and moved on to a new job, 9
months ago.
And its only now that SCO is finally getting the proper slapdown that it was
obvious (by 2004 at the latest) that they deserved.[ Reply to This | # ]
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- Complain? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:04 PM EDT
- Complain? - Authored by: Yossarian on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:28 PM EDT
- Complain? - Authored by: cf on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:36 AM EDT
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| Authored by: MacsEntropy on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:53 PM EDT |
Put on your red dress, mama,
'Cause we're goin' out tonight;
Put on your
red dress, mama,
'Cause we're goin' out tonight.
You better wear
some boxing gloves,
case some fool might wanna fight...
(old
blues song; no idea where from; I heard it first from Jose Feliciano in about
1974)
That one's for you, PJ, but I think maybe Josh'a Fit de Battle ob
Jericho might be more fitting for the rest of us...
--- "Trusted
third parties" aren't. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:55 PM EDT |
Something about a filing in the IBM case? Oh, I can't wait!
MSS2[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:56 PM EDT |
On page 50 (begining of the last full paragraph)
In Blumenfeld v.
R. H. Macy & Co., 92 Cal. App. 3d 38 (1979), the California
Court of
Appeals rejected a similar attempt to interpret “all” to mean “less than
all.”
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 05:59 PM EDT |
Is the fat lady singing or is she warming up.
I think it is the introdution [ Reply to This | # ]
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- Is the fat lady singing - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:11 PM EDT
- Is the fat lady singing - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:12 PM EDT
- I don't know about the fat lady, but..... - Authored by: tiger99 on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:21 PM EDT
- Is the fat lady singing - Authored by: Yossarian on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:31 PM EDT
- Is the fat lady singing - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:37 PM EDT
- You need the right preparation - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:38 AM EDT
- portly female - Authored by: Aladdin Sane on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 11:39 AM EDT
- portly female - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, August 13 2007 @ 01:51 PM EDT
- Userfriendly on singing - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, August 12 2007 @ 10:49 AM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:00 PM EDT |
I like how Judge Kimball very clearly distinguishes between "Santa
Cruz" and "Caldera/The SCO Group" in this ruling, even to the
extent of replacing something (presumably "SCO") with "[Santa
Cruz]" in quoted passages (e.g. on page 7 of the ruling, where he quotes
from the APA)
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| Authored by: jjock on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:02 PM EDT |
Daily reading of Groklaw has taught me many things about the
workings of the courts and the lawyers, but the most important
word I have learned is conversion. SCO stole from Novell and
now they are going to have to pay.
Bob[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: osaeris on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:05 PM EDT |
Well done. I've largely been a lurker but I'm very impressed by the collective
might![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:12 PM EDT |
We're there! We're there!
A very happy Groklaw member, om1er - at work, not signed in.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:15 PM EDT |
How will this affect the IBM case?
Also, I guess SCO's slander accusation is void now.
I hope IBM won't stop now, and they will prove that SCO knew they had no
copyrights. So IBM could move forward, and eventually criminal charges agains
McBride and Co. could be filed as well. Maybe even M$'s role is revealed as
well?
Yeah, i know i want too much :)
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:16 PM EDT |
will the scox stock actually drop like it would for other companies, or will it
defy gravity and make a monumental jump skyward? i'm thinking even scox can't
put enough lipstick on this pig to get anyone to buy[ Reply to This | # ]
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- its all lipstick - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:47 PM EDT
- SCOX stock - Authored by: jmc on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 05:08 AM EDT
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| Authored by: LaurenceTux on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:18 PM EDT |
so what exactly is left of the Novell case?
(and how much of IBM is intact??)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:22 PM EDT |
It turns out that 'all' means 'all' and not just some bits now and other bits
then. Haha![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: eggplant37 on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:23 PM EDT |
Oh yeah? I've got Mega M&Ms, fresh cherries, and a glass full of Patron
Tequila Sunrise going.
Like I said, celebration be happening here! [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: overshoot on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:24 PM EDT |
Alas, one word I was hoping to find was missing:
"Frivolous"
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- Word missing - Authored by: Dogeron on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 06:01 AM EDT
- Missing words - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 12:59 PM EDT
- Missing words - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:33 PM EDT
- Baby Microsofts - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 10:49 PM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:25 PM EDT |
It is my understanding that if an officer of a company breaches his or her
fucidiary duty they can be held personally liable. The court ruled SCO breached
its fucidiary duty. Is there any way Novell can now hold the corporate oficers
liable for SCO breaching that duty, since they had a fucidiary duty to the
company and it was by their management the company breached its duty?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:28 PM EDT |
Entertaining quote from SCO's website :D
http://www.sco.com/scoip/lawsuits/ibm/index.html
On March 6, 2003, The SCO Group filed a civil lawsuit against IBM. SCO's
principal claims arise out of IBM's alleged breaches of its obligations under
UNIX license agreements that IBM and Sequent, a company now owned by IBM,
entered into with AT&T in 1985. SCO claims that IBM violated those
agreements when it removed substantial source code from AIX and Dynix, two
UNIX-based products, and dumped that code into Linux. In addition to multiple
claims for breach of contract, SCO claims that IBM infringed SCO's UNIX
copyrights;
SCO never owned the UNIX copyrights so the above quote must be a lie.. finally
proven wooot go novell![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: sirwired on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:29 PM EDT |
Finally, we know why the copyrights didn't transfer.
Throughout all this copyright tussling and APA Amendment tussling, SCO has
repeatedly asked why they would have paid money for UNIX and
<i>not</i> picked up the copyrights. I actually thought it was a
pretty good question, even if the documents were clear in the fact that the
copyrights did not transfer.
If you look starting at page 9 or so, you see some declarations I don't think we
have seen before (correct me if I am wrong) stating that SCO could not have
afforded the copyrights, and all they were buying from Novell was the right to
develop their own product based on UNIX. In addition, the deal was structured
in such a way that if SCO went bankrupt, no title to anything UNIX (other than
the development rights) would be part of the bankruptcy estate. Not even the
license revenue. (Which is why it was 100% passed-through to Novell, and then
5% went back to SCO. If SCO had taken ownership of the revenue and instead
required to send 95% of it to Novell, Novell would have just been another
creditor in a bankruptcy.)
SirWired[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:30 PM EDT |
...and how are you today?
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| Authored by: stgilbert on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:35 PM EDT |
Hi folks! Long time lurker, first time poster here. I know there is still more
to come, but I've poured drinks for my family and we're giving a toast (even
though most of them have only the vaguest clue as to what we're celebrating): to
IBM, Novell, Groklaw, the FOSS community, and everyone else who stood up to the
thieves at SCO. And also to the not-so-good ship SCO herself: may she sink
quickly.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:40 PM EDT |
Goodness. How long is it now that this mess has been going on, five years? And I
guess basically it's over now.
I guess my main response right now is kudos to PJ for her amazing and tireless
journalism throughout this case. I'd be curious, PJ, what are your plans are as
to what you're going to do next once the autozone/IBM stuff gets mopped up?
Have you considered writing a book about this entire debacle?[ Reply to This | # ]
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- I'm amazed - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:43 PM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:42 PM EDT |
Great. We had chocolate tonight already. Oh PJ? It wasn't just the courts - it
was
you girl![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: xtifr on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:43 PM EDT |
No! This is terrible news! I kid, of course, but this ruling does have one
minor drawback: the question of whether any "stolen" code ever did make it into
Linux will now never be examined. I mean, most of us realize how stupid it
would be to steal code just to post it publicly where millions of people can see
it, and that stealing GPL'd code by proprietary developers is far more
common. And now we've lost an opportunity to drive that point home, and rub it
in the face of those who like to accuse FLOSS developers of being a bunch of
renegade hippy pirates. I would rather have seen a ruling on IBM"s alleged
infringement of SCO's alleged copyrights before it was decided that SCO
didn't own bupkiss. I suspect that IBM would have rathered that as well. But
oh well.
I also wish this ruling had come a couple of days earlier.
Linuxworld in San Francisco ended yesterday. If this ruling had come in during
the conference, there would have been dancing in the halls. I would have loved
to have seen that! :)
--- Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for
it makes them soggy and hard to light. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:44 PM EDT |
"The wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow, but exceedingly fine".
W. Churchill
Many thanks to P.J. and everybody in the community!!!!
Ockham's Razor
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| Authored by: sirwired on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:44 PM EDT |
SCO's "evidence" about the intent of the APA was pathetic. Novell had
the actual folks that drafted the agreement, and of course, the plain language
of the agreement itself.
What did SCO counter with?
A bunch of folks that knew about the agreement, read it while it was being
drafted, in some cases revised it themselves, but all of whom were somehow
surprised that it didn't transfer copyrights, even though it was as plain as day
in the APA.
How exactly did they expect to win bupkis with these clowns?
SirWired[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:44 PM EDT |
Kimball tells SCO that no, SCO does not own the copyrights. Not from the APA,
and not from Ammendment 2. Not in 1995, not in 1996, not in 2003, and not in
2007. Just NO!
MSS2
PS: For those wondering, 1995 was the APA, 1996 was the ammendment, 2003 was
the request from SCO to Novell for the copyrights, and 2007 was this wonderful
day.
Enjoy the chocolates, PJ![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: glitch on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:45 PM EDT |
For the United States Of America!
This is way bigger than IBM, Novell, Groklaw & Open Source
It's about freedom, truth, & liberty. This lawsuit is like many others where
lawyers on behalf of their clients
go after deep pockets... to many times cases are settled to save aggravation
time and money.
Someone needs to be held accountable. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: oldgreybeard on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:47 PM EDT |
The end has truly begun.
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| Authored by: comms-warrior on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:47 PM EDT |
SCOx's share price? Down the toilet come market time, (except for the stuff
traded after the bell?)
Darl's Empire? et tu Kimball? Someone shoved a knife in, twisted, wiggled and
broke the handle off.
It's not that BSF didn't know this was coming.. They may act like a mob of
brown-shirts, but they aren't stupid lawyers.. They could see the delusional
bent the case was taking and tried everything to keep it going, to see if
IBM/Novell blinked.
Novell nor IBM did blink - now BSF will start appealing like mad to reverse an
irreversible position - wasting more time and money, money that is now owned by
Novell!
The lessons learned from this whole saga? If you get into legal trouble - you
would be better off going Pro se than hiring BSF...
Chris Ford.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:47 PM EDT |
Hi Laura and Rob. Are you reading this?
:-))[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: wzzrd on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 06:48 PM EDT |
Hale fracking lujah
justice has not died just yet
thanks for reporting this great news, pj[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:00 PM EDT |
I like the ruling on copyright. But I REALLY like the ruling on conversion
because it's half way to proving that the SCO directors can reasonably be
thought of as crooks for letting SCO try to take money that did not belong to
SCO.
So, to what extent can the directors be prosecuted for approving an illegal act?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: JasonWard on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:01 PM EDT |
| Joy joy. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: overshoot on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:03 PM EDT |
| I do rather regret the fact that several of the points in the IBM and
AutoZone cases have become moot thanks to Novell's waiver. We'll never
see those resolved on their merits.
Oh, well -- I guess I'll just have to
live with my disappointment.
Now let's see: what's left in IBM?
Hmmm.... looks like counterclaims are all that's left on the table. Pity that,
eh Darl? [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:05 PM EDT |
Accordingly, Novell and Santa Cruz executed a "Bill of Sale", on
December 6, 2005....[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:05 PM EDT |
It's now very, very clear that Darl & Co. absolutely positively KNEW they
did not own the copyrights at the time they started the racketeering scheme
called SCOSource. It may not happen, but this greybeard programmer sure hopes
to see Darl in court for fraud facing a gallery full of the many distinguished
people he had the gall to call "thieves".
I'mjustabigcat, not logged in.
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| Authored by: mcinsand on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:08 PM EDT |
Maybe this is the beginning of the fun phase, when the scum that started this
are held accountable for their incompetence and dishonesty... which reminds
me... any chance of Lyans and O'Gara being publicly reminded or at least shown
for their role in sowing disinformation to propagate this mess?
I did wonder, for a moment, whether I should be happy-dancing at someone's loss.
However, when such dishonest, libelous, incompetent, sleazy,
societally-worthless scum as embodied by SCOX started this mess, then having
justice served will indeed be cause for happy-dancing. And justice has not been
served, yet. The fun will lie in the counterclaims. I hope that breach of
fiduciary duty is a criminal, rather than civil offense, and that we see Mr.
McBride led away before he has a chance to leave the country. Any chance he
might have that slimmest thread of competence that would have had him keep some
evidence of under-the-table PIPE-fairy backstopping, just to make him valuable
as a witness in a bigger case? What about the legal malpractice of Boise et al?
You can't tell me that they weren't capable of reading and interpreting the
APA.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:17 PM EDT |
For Novell and IBM,, the music is sweet and victorious...something like Queen's
"We Are the Champions" or something.
For SCO, can we cue up the Loser's Music from "The Price is Right"?
"Doo doo da doooooo....waaaaaaahhhhhh!"
:-)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: comms-warrior on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:20 PM EDT |
Not withstanding a few loose threads, (albeit very strained threads), they have
comprehensively *lost* against Novell and IBM.
The Summary Judgment now affirms Novell is the owner of Unix - This means that
when SCO goes broke (I suspect sometime in the next two weeks!) The Unix
Copyrights can only flow back to a Linux "friend" (fiend?) as a court
has proved so without any room for doubt. Bankruptcy administrators can't sell
this "asset" off to recover money... Microsoft can't get to it -
Novell is in a strong position.
If Novell moves this code to the Public domain, Microsoft would be left a
"shag on a rock" with their Linux "patent" threat. I'd love
to see that, but I'm not sure if they will ....
Time to open that bottle of Moet... :)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: jbb on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:20 PM EDT |
Darl's face is all red
SCO's owners are blue
'cause none of
our Linux
is belong to you
--- Those who can make you
believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Bas Burger on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:26 PM EDT |
The first goal of Groklaw is being fulfilled but of course there are more
battles to be fought.
---
No comments...[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:28 PM EDT |
For PJ:
"I am NO MAN!!!" as she stabs the Witch King in the face.
For the rest of us Groklawers:
"I'm already on my way out" as Wedge and Lando shoot the main reactor
Either way, I think a lot of Ewoks and Hobbits will be celebrating tonight. :-)[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: om1er on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:33 PM EDT |
Want to bet that SCOG's lawyers say "Oh, that stuff. That's not what the
case was about."
Nevertheless: WE ARE THERE, CAMPERS!
---
Are we there yet?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:36 PM EDT |
PJ wrote:
All right, all you Doubting Thomases. I double dog dare
you to complain about the US court system now. I told you if you would just be
patient, I had confidence in the system's ability to sort this out in the
end.
So to summarize:
- Microsoft hired these guys to
cripple Linux in the business world for the many years until they got Vista
out.
- IBM, Red Hat, and many other companies lost business for years because
CEOs wanted to "play it safe" until people got around to finishing these court
cases.
- One of the 3 court cases is over; and the cloud of the other two
remain.
- Unix now belongs to the new anti-Linux Microsoft pawn; and whether
or not Linux is misusing any Unix stuff is still unsettled.
Did I get any
of that wrong?
If not, what's to celebrate?[ Reply to This | # ]
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- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: Yossarian on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:47 PM EDT
- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:49 PM EDT
- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:53 PM EDT
- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:21 PM EDT
- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:23 PM EDT
- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: Samari711 on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 05:16 AM EDT
- He has a point, you know. - Authored by: barbacana on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 05:49 AM EDT
- Another Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: FrankH on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 06:17 AM EDT
- A Doubting Thomas here. - Authored by: om1er on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 07:23 AM EDT
- He who laughs last - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 09:26 AM EDT
- they own unix, *not* linux - Authored by: skip on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 09:27 AM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:37 PM EDT |
Won't both parties now file press releases claiming the Judge ruled in their
favor?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: stats_for_all on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:47 PM EDT |
| SCOX cheerleader Scott Lemon hasn't updated his blog, but the August 6 entry
might serve the purpose just as well, worth checking out.
Implosion in Salt Lake
M'OG's usual Friday morning post on her sites miss as well, though a
headline at linuxgram, at the end of the scroll: "SCO Mobile Moving" means she
hasn't forgotten about that court date just yet.
Lastly, Michael Anderer
has caught religion in a big way. He has assumed a CEO role at C2 Systems
in Georgia, a spinoff of his S2 Partnership. C2 Systems has taken the leap into
the linux distro development world: Olmec Embedded Linux
I don't know whether to 'dis the 'pathetic one' as an ungodly
opportunist, or welcome him to the fold. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:49 PM EDT |
I hate to be a party-pooper, but let's wait and see what Microsoft's patent deal
with Novell really bought. I highly doubt it was the right to use Novell's
patents.
By Monday, I expect to see an announcement by R. Hovsepian of Novell regarding
'good will' and 'co-operation' and 'industry leadership', which will boil down
to letting TSG do whatever they want, as long as they recognize Novell's
controlling interest.
This is not over, not by a long shot.
Cheers!
Mark S.
Dallas, TX
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:51 PM EDT |
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf
I wonder if this one, from Caldera before they turned
SCO, is now void. That would be a truly bad day for
UNIX® archivers and the BSDs.
Could please anyone shed light on this?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Zak3056 on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:51 PM EDT |
Allow me to be the first to say:
Nah nah nah nah!
Nah nah nah nah!
Hey Hey Hey!
Goodbye!
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| Authored by: brickviking on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:58 PM EDT |
I've no doubt it's already been said, but this really does pull the legs out
from underneath SCOX on their case against IBM, as they can't reasonably pursue
a case for infringement of copyrights they don't <em>own</em>, but
have merely sublicenced (if I have that right) from Novell.
Good one, PJ, and the rest of the team. I have been waiting for this decision
for a while, and will watch to see what happens with the other relevant cases.
I'm off for a whisky.
Incidentally, will there ever be a CDROM or DVD produced containing the evidence
presented, along with a guideline to the case?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 07:58 PM EDT |
... in the friendliest possible way! <grin>
No matter how big a "win" this turns out to be for Novell and
subsequently IBM (and will they really win if they can't recover their costs
from a bankrupt company?):
There's still something massively broken in the system that allowed the case to
continue for this many years without SCO being forced to present some up-front
prima facie evidence that they had a case to argue.
The problem appears to be the US's "discovery" mechanism - "we
honestly, truly, believe that x did us wrong so we want to go on a three-year
fishing expedition to see if we're right".
Instead of - "here is some hard, irrefutable, evidence that x has done us
wrong - we now need discovery of y and z to quantify the extent of that wrong
and identify who the specific guilty people are".
It's my understanding - correct me if I'm wrong - that the latter is how the UK
legal system works.
Certainly, the only cases I know of in the UK that have ever run this long are
antitrust/fraud style cases brought by the government and/or its agencies
against multinationals.
No simple copyright/contract case between two private companies could possibly
survive more than a month without the judge seeing solid prima facie evidence
that a violation of civil or criminal law had occurred.
In the case of SCO v World+Cat that would have been something like the
infringing code - *presented on the first day of the trial!!!*
Having worked for the last couple of years in a legal firm (in IT, not law), and
in reading Groklaw over the same period, I've now got a massively higher opinion
of lawyers than I used to have.
But you guys over there in the US need to put some brakes on their antics in
cases like this!
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:03 PM EDT |
... in the friendliest possible way! <grin>
No matter how big a "win" this turns out to be for Novell and
subsequently IBM (and will they really win if they can't recover their costs
from a bankrupt company?):
There's still something massively broken in the system that allowed the case to
continue for this many years without SCO being forced to present some up-front
prima facie evidence that they had a case to argue.
The problem appears to be the US's "discovery" mechanism - "we
honestly, truly, believe that x did us wrong so we want to go on a three-year
fishing expedition to see if we're right".
Instead of - "here is some hard, irrefutable, evidence that x has done us
wrong - we now need discovery of y and z to quantify the extent of that wrong
and identify who the specific guilty people are".
It's my understanding - correct me if I'm wrong - that the latter is how the UK
legal system works.
Certainly, the only cases I know of in the UK that have ever run this long are
antitrust/fraud style cases brought by the government and/or its agencies
against multinationals.
No simple copyright/contract case between two private companies could possibly
survive more than a month without the judge seeing solid prima facie evidence
that a violation of civil or criminal law had occurred.
In the case of SCO v World+Cat that would have been something like the
infringing code - *presented on the first day of the trial!!!*
Having worked for the last couple of years in a legal firm (in IT, not law), and
in reading Groklaw over the same period, I've now got a massively higher opinion
of lawyers than I used to have.
But there needs to be some legislative brakes put on their antics in cases like
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:41 PM EDT |
Thanks Groklaw
Thanks to the larger community
This cannot be overstated, its a victory for freedom and democracy[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: SilverWave on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:43 PM EDT |
Great News!
I have to say I will take great pleasure when SCO is taken to task for this
ridiculous case.
/breaking out the bubbly :D
---
Linus
The bulk of all patents are [bad]...
Spending time reading them is stupid...
Moglen
I can change the rules...
The coupons have no expiration date..[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: bbaston on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:47 PM EDT |
| ... since the credibility of Groklaw and PJ are over the moon while the
believability index of Forbes et al is about six feet under the sand of Death
Valley (lowest point in US).
PJ, I've got on my Red Dress pin. Take the
night off!!!!!!!!!!!! --- IMBW, IANAL2, IMHO, IAVO
imaybewrong, iamnotalawyertoo, inmyhumbleopinion, iamveryold [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: arthurpaliden on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:47 PM EDT |
Now since Novel is recognized as the owner of the Unix copyrights et la how
long will it be before they, Novel, certify that the Linux OS does not infringe
on any of the Unix copyrights or if it does which ones they are. This of course
should be an academic exercise for Novel since the have access to both sets of
source code. Or are they going to pull and tSCOg and not tell us and use the
same threat for their own personal gain.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:50 PM EDT |
| I want my $699 back. :-( [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 08:50 PM EDT |
The traffic seems to have brought the site down for a little while. So, SCO did
get one wish granted. They put Groklaw off line. Too little to late though. ;)
Thanks PJ, but I've been a one issue reader. I may take Groklaw out of my tool
bar soon. I've been coming here at least once a day for years now.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:03 PM EDT |
What a wonderfully clear articulation of the deconstruction of the contract and
analysis of each of the claims. Judge Kimball has, in my non-lawyer opinion
done a superb job in crafting this so that anyone reading the ruling can follow
his logic.
It's nice to see the court telling SCO that they don't know how to read, too.
:-)
...D[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: The Mad Hatter on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:13 PM EDT |
Appeal. Definately appeal. It's their only hope.
Of course the trial isn't that far away, and I have a suspicion that the trial
will be an even worse nightmare for them. The Management and Board must have
chewed their fingernails off up to the elbow by now.
I don't feel sorry for them though. If you can do the crime, you can do the time
(wish I could remember where that quote is from - guess I watch too many cop
shows on TV).
---
Wayne
http://sourceforge.net/projects/twgs-toolkit/
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| Authored by: atheist on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:20 PM EDT |
Cool
What I would like to see next is Novell announce, as each voucher is redeemed,
which bogus patents now belong to the community, as GPL3 versions of programs
get incorporated into Suse.
Or have they already said that MS patent assertions are FUD?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Latesigner on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:21 PM EDT |
I should share this one who earned it!
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The only way to have an "ownership" society is to make slaves of the rest of us.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:22 PM EDT |
I am a longtime lurker, brought to you good folks by slashdot and digg. PJ, you
are an amazing person and your dedication to this is just beyond what anyone
could imagine. I applaud your efforts and your determination to this case.
The "common folk" here should take a bow themselves. What a way for a
community to get together and bring down something evil.
Someone should make a movie about this. It's got all of the elements to be a
blockbuster.
Congrats to all, and thanks for the most entertaining and informative site I've
ever been to on the 'net. I'm sticking around to see where the pieces go....[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:24 PM EDT |
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but Kimball cited an important paraphrase
from the Sun agreement.
As I've long assumed, Sun's deal w/ SCOX was so they could open source Solaris,
which is pretty much canonical SVRX because it was a joint development effort
between Sun and AT&T that gave rise to SVRX.
The operative word is "disclose" (p. 40 of the ruling PDF) in both
"source and object (binary) code".
At the same time that SCOX was suing IBM for $4 billion (or whatever that number
morphed into ;-) for disclosing SVRX source code and methods in Linux (pure BS
as we've seen), they sold Sun the rights to disclose SVRX in Solaris for $10
million.
As I see it, even if SCOX won the IBM case (which seems completely impossible to
me), they placed a valuation on the disclosure of SVRX source code that would
limit damages to less than they've spent on legal fees.
Of course, the really delicious part is that as far as I can see (IANAL), the
Novell trial will be not about how much Novell owes SCOX, but how much SCOX owes
Novell.
What a lovely day!
rhb
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| Authored by: webster on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:27 PM EDT |
..
something was up. GL wouldn't load. I finally got to another computer and read
a link to GL then finally got on. Indeed a plum, pleasing, pleasure. It's hard
to keep up from here in Honduras. Greetings to all and thanks PJ for leading us
through this mess. The bad part is over. How much does IBM want to mop up?
---
webster
© 2007 Monopoly Corporation. ALL rights reserved. Yours included.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: cyphergirl on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:32 PM EDT |
I've been lurking since 2003 and this is my first post. I am elated to see this
finally happen.
PJ, tonight I salute you with 2 (or maybe 3 :) ) glasses of fine Georgia
Riesling. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:35 PM EDT |
PJ, don't these decisions count as dispositive?
If so they are subject to
appeal,
right? This could still go on forever if so.
J [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: cymraeg on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:46 PM EDT |
As of about 8 PM US Central Daylight Time, I was able to find the following
articles on a variety of websites:
Each
publication has a different take on the news. You'll have to decide for yourself
if they are cheering or disappointed.
Cymraeg
"An optimist says
the glass is half full, a pessimist says the glass is half empty, an engineer
says the glass is twice as large as it needs to be..."
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:46 PM EDT |
SCOBK by the end of Monday.
JSL[ Reply to This | # ]
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- My prediction - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:45 AM EDT
- My prediction - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 07:47 AM EDT
- Perhaps so - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 10:28 AM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 09:54 PM EDT |
Judge Kimball asks the parties, in view of the ruling in Novell,
which "significantly impacts the claims and counterclaims asserted" in IBM, to
prepare by August 31 a statement of its view of the status of this case and,
more specifically, the effect of the SCO v. Novell decision on each of the
pending motions."
How long did Kimball consider the PSJ's? Months
and months and months. That Kimball is giving the parties just 3 weeks to assess
his rulings' impact on SCO v. IBM is very telling. I think he thinks there is
very little left to decide.
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| Authored by: belzecue on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 10:23 PM EDT |
What a way to start the day! (morning in Western Australia).
Congratulations to the Novell and IBM teams for showing us how to litigate with
honour. Thanks to BSF for demonstrating the opposite ('nuf said).
Thanks to PJ for keeping a calm, firm guiding hand on the crazy circus that was
the coverage and discussion of the case. Imagine if, for the past three to four
years, we'd only heard about this in the press (SCO's PR, 'fake' Dan Lyons, the
MOGster, etc.). Sure, there were some other informative community sources out
there, and kudos to them, but Groklaw quickly became ground zero. Apart from the
lawyers, has anyone had to work as hard as PJ during this? Keeping the
information and analysis flowing? Keeping the signal to noise ratio as high as
possible? No. Thank goodness for PJ's passion for the law and her passion to get
to the truth.
Through Groklaw and its sharp-eyed community, PJ demonstrated the power of the
"many eyes make all bugs shallow" approach. In this case, it's
"many eyes make all lies shallow."
There will be appeals, I suppose, and mopping up, and who knows what other
twists and turns remain -- e.g. Hovsepian still worries me, and I wonder if he
too will try to 'monetize' Unix now that the ownership is clear.
But today is a day to celebrate and reflect and be thankful. To that end, let me
be the 236,418th to punch the air and voice a mighty "W00T!"
Reap what you sow, Darl and Ralph!
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 10:41 PM EDT |
[Novell] SCO, you lied, you stole, you lied some more, you filed frivolous
lawsuits, you lied to the courts and you tried to extort money from innocent
Linux users.
You also attacked an innocent blogger who exposed your scam, and paid media
shills to further your attacks.
At long, long last, Kimball has finally hobbled you in your ill founded and
illegal actions.
[IBM - Preview of coming attractions] Now hold still while I break your other
knee...[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 10:48 PM EDT |
| YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAW! [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: tyche on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 10:55 PM EDT |
SCOsinks.jpg has been scaled up to 850 pixels high and placed on a blue vertical
gradient background as my new wallpaper. I should probably take a screenshot
and send it to the "Community Cafe" Ubuntu Forum. Congratulations,
PJ.
Craig
Tyche
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"The Truth shall Make Ye Fret"
"TRUTH", Terry Pratchett[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:01 PM EDT |
Happy with the decision today. But, I think many here, even PJ, still don't get
it.
The point of this lawsuit was not to "win." Not in the sense of a
final court decision. The point of this lawsuit was to exist - to cast a cloud
of doubt over the legality of Linux. That, and of course, to make some money for
scox execs.
Before the scam: scox was as good as dead anyway. Look at their financials if
you don't believe me. You may have noticed that it is usually not the strong
companies that becme msft puppets. Darl made out like a bandit, as did Kevin,
and BS&F did best of all.
Praise the US justice system? I think not. If I claimed I owned the Brooklyn
bridge, and I sued NYC over it. And I cost NYC $100 million in legal defense.
Then after an astonishing 4.5 years the court finally discovers what was obvious
from the start - that, of course, I don't own the Brooklyn bridge: would that
show the justice system as being brilliant, or incompetent? I doubt I can expect
any honesty from that question.
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| Authored by: wethion on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:15 PM EDT |
This ruling, as far as I can understand, is merely a ruling on a contract
between two competing parties. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the GPL or
GNU/Linux or Free Software. The GPL remains untested. I actually would have
preferred to see SCO win against Novell and then have to contend with the mighty
IBM machine. At this point, all of IBM's footwork and steelclad lawyering is
moot, if I understand correctly.
So, Free Software has received a setback because of the bad publicity.
M$ succeeded in using proxies in a conflict, and suffered no negative
ramifications.
IBM now will have little to no chance to hone it's GPL defense skills in what
looked to be a "all but sure to win" practice run.
The GPL remains untested.
Free Software remains under threat from the M$ juggernaut.
BTW, I will no longer use the term Open Source or Open Source Software. I will
use strictly the terms Free Software when referring to the movement as a whole,
and the term GNU/Linux when referring to the operating system commonly known as
Linux.
PJ, I love you for what you've done, and I understand everyone's desire to
gloat, but methinks the battle has just been enjoined. What we've seen thus far
is naught more than M$ testing the waters to see which strategies could bear
fruit.
Just my $.02.
Peace,
V
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Jon Postel, you are missed.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:23 PM EDT |
| It looks to me like some of SCOs remaining claims only remain because Kimball
has drastically narrowed their scope. Re unfair
competition:
The license in the APA and the TLA does not
preclude Novell from pursing its business. Rather, the license merely restricts
Novell's ability to use SCO's property and is part of an ongoing relationship
between the parties.
So SCOs unfair competition claims seem
limited to Novell's use of SCOs property (presumably Unix/UnixWare derivatives)
rather than Novell's business in general. Sounds like a major limitation to
me.
(IANAL)
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| Authored by: kberrien on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:24 PM EDT |
<exhale>
A great pop the cork moment! Congrats to Novell, and PJ for being a big part in
making the public's decision a lot faster than the courts.
A little vindication on the linux side, and some good slapping of SCO and we're
all set.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Bojan Sudarevic on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:24 PM EDT |
So, is Novell Good Guy or Bad Guy? Groklaw is very funny sometimes.
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Bojan Sudarevic[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: rsi on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:32 PM EDT |
Please join with me while we all sing:
Where is the moment we
needed the most
You kick up the leaves and the magic is lost
You
tell me your blue skies fade to grey
You tell me your passion's gone away
And I don't need no carryin' on
You stand in the line just
to hit a new low
You're faking a smile with the coffee to go
You
tell me your life's been way off line
You're falling to pieces everytime
And I don't need no carryin' on
Cause you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a
smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad
day
You had a bad day
...
Daniel
Powter - Bad Day Lyrics
We feel your pain Darl! ;^) [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:41 PM EDT |
Among other important points, Judge Kimball ruled that Novell did not transfer
the copyrights to Unix SVRX (and other versions) to SCO and that it retained the
right to waive violations of the provisions of the SVRX licenses.
It appears that the issue of whether Linux infringes SVRX copyrights is still an
open question. In his ruling, the judge seemed to imply that the license from
Novell to Santa Cruz gave Santa Cruz the right to prosecute actions for
infringement of the copyrights. Specifically at issue is whether the sale of
SUSE Linux by Novell violates the terms of its TLA and whether this infringes
SCO's rights (as licensee under the APA) in the SVRX Copyrights. While Novell
can waive the claims against existing licensees (e.g. IBM), it cannot waive
copyright infringement claims against those who do not hold a license.
It would appear that the question of whether Linux infringes (Novell's)
copyrights is still open and it would appear that by way of the APA and the
license(s) granted by it, SCO has the right to pursue claims against non-SVRX
licensees who they claim infringe the copyrights.
Don't misinterpret what I am saying, I don't agree that Linux infringes the
copyrights, only that those claims are not yet settled. The trial of the claims
for breach of contract and copyright infringement against Novell for the sale /
distribution of SUSE Linux, which survive this ruling may (should) decide that,
but the question seems to be very much open in a legal sense.
Am I wrong?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Ikester on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:44 PM EDT |
Now that, after the appeals and/or accounts run dry, we can safely assume that
Novell will be compensated with the dry husk of SCO. It seems like it would then
be up to Novell to decide how to manage IBM's counterclaims. Some folks have
bemoaned the fact that, due to Novell going first, IBM did not have the
opportunity to get Linux declared clean of infringing code. Is it possible that
something like this could be worked out in a settlement between IBM and Novell?
Or are IBM's counterclaims really toast?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: wethion on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:45 PM EDT |
On that thought, it's a good day. There were some sound slap-downs handed to
TSG, no doubt. All's well that ends well.
Peace,
V
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Jon Postel, you are missed.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: sonicfrog on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:58 PM EDT |
My life seems a little empty now that the fantastic ruling is in...
Oh SH>>> It's time to party!!!![ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: TedSwart on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:58 PM EDT |
Whilst the judges ruling that Novell owns the Unix and Unixware copyrights is
welcome it does not exactly come as a surprise. Moreover, the good news is sadly
tarnished by the dishonourable deal which Novell reached with MS. Methinks we
need to see some more convincing developments which undercut the MS monopoly
such as a decision by ISO to deny OOXML their seal of approval.
The imminent end of SCO's bogus cases against Novell, IBM and Red Hat is indeed
a blessing but we still badly need eternal vigilance. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, August 10 2007 @ 11:59 PM EDT |
Hmmm...so, does someone have a list of commentators/pundits who predicted SCO
would win?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: SteveOBrien on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 12:05 AM EDT |
| A happy day indeed. Thank you for your work, PJ. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: darkonc on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 12:07 AM EDT |
| Is there anybody that I can send chocolate to, and be reasonably sure that it'll
get to the lady with the red dress on? --- Powerful, committed
communication. Touching the jewel within each person and bringing it to life.. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 12:49 AM EDT |
1) So what happens to groklaw now?
2) Since the patent deal Novell has been treated as much a pariah by some as
SCO. To the point that there were some people who said things "We should
show Novell what happens when you cross the linux community". So what if
Novell tries to do the same thing. Not to stop linux, but to be the only people
who can legally distribute linux?
What is to stop Novell from starting the whole process again? Would IBM fight
again, or tired of the litigation
just settle with Novell.
Since SCOs claims against IBM are now moot, what legal protections has linux
won?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 12:58 AM EDT |
| Not so fast! The court did not rule that SCO-created
copyrighted code (derivative code) belongs to Novell. I believe that means SCO
does own its own "Unix" copyrights and those copyrights could still allow SCO to
argue that Linux is in violation of SCO-owned Unix copyrights. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:05 AM EDT |
I wonder if Darl thinks that opening up the second law suit and suing Novell for
slander of Title was a good move after all. Had he not there might have actually
been some other issues on the table with regard to the IBM lawsuit. This ruling
effectively wipes out the majority of the IBM case, although should SCO survive
the next few months they might still be able to get Novell on the no-compete
clause, but I don't remember if Novell or SCO breached first. Anyone know off
the top of their head if Novell bought SUSE before or after SCO got it's funding
from Sun and M$?[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:07 AM EDT |
Our thanks to PJ and the many folk who worked tirelessly with her to make the
court materials available to all of us so quickly.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:10 AM EDT |
The court also acknowledged that SCO owns copyrights on the derivative code it
created under the contract with Novell. Doesn't that mean that SCO owns Unix
copyrights irregardless of the finding that Novell didn't transfer Novell's
copyrights? Methinks that leaves SCO enough wiggle room to still be a nuisance.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:16 AM EDT |
Darl planned all along that Groklaw would be created in response to SCO's wild
claims knowing that the end of Groklaw would follow on the heals of the court's
decision that SCO grossly misrepresented their case.
Darl wins. :)
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| Authored by: bilfurd on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:23 AM EDT |
Yeaaaahhhh! News worth celebrating!
- It's Friday!
- The
Honorable Judge Dale Kimball has jugulated SCO's legal actions
- After
many years, I finally have the opportunity to use "jugulated" in a
sentence
Many, many thanks to PJ and all those that donated their
time and effort to cover the SCO shenanigans.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: maz2331 on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:24 AM EDT |
I was wondering what that big flash out to the west was earlier. Now I know -
it was the entire SCO vs Everybody saga being nuked into oblivion. Expect
follow up legal strikes as the counterclaims begin to detonate soon afterwards.
The smoking crater is forming as we watch.[ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: chad on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:25 AM EDT |
Judge Kimball was paying attention, wasn't he. An a 102 page document,
explaining everything that went into his decision in order to withstand the
inevitable appeal. [ Reply to This | # ]
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| Authored by: wharris on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 01:53 AM EDT |
<blockquote>
All right, all you Doubting Thomases. I double dog dare you to complain
about the US court system now.
</blockquote>
<p>I accept that dare. It has taken the US court system three years to
agree
that a contract avaialble since before the start of the case did not transfer
copyright to SCO. In that three years, multiple summary judgement requests
on this very point have been denied, IBM and Novell have had to spend tens
of millions of dollars against a baseless claim. Money that SCO can not repay
even if the court orders them to. And this does not count for the massive
costs IBM had to pay to comply with SCO's discovery orders for code the court
now recognizes was not theirs for violations the court now recognizes Novell
properly waived.</p>
<p>Before this case started, SCO was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.
This case provided SCO, the corporation, with massive capital infusions and a
new lease on life. It has provided SCO directors not just with an opportunity
to profit from stock sales, but a paying job for much longer than it seemed
like SCO would last in 2002. </p>
<p>In short, while this ruling is a tremendous victory against SCO, it has
come several years too late to restore my (lack of) confidence in the US justice
system. I will remind everyone that SCO made similar threats against Linux in
Germany, and a German court was able to stop SCO within 3 weeks.
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:08 AM EDT |
As far as I can tell, this is basically where SCO v Novell now stands.
Corrections appreciated.
SCO 2nd Amended Complaint
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060109231849961
1. Slander of Title (by Novell)
Denied
2. Breach of the APA and TLA
Denied in part (possible Unixware derived infringement)
3. Alternative Breach-of-Contract Claim Seeking Specific Performance (transfer
copyrights)
Denied
4. Copyright Infringement
Denied in part (possible Unixware derived infringement)
5. Unfair Competition
Denied in part (SUsE?)
Novell Counterclaims
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060921155822851
1. Slander of Title (by SCO)
TBD by Jury
2. Breach of Contract: 1.2(b) and 1.2(f) of the APA (right to audit)
Basically moot
3. Breach of Contract: 1.2(b) & 4.16(a) of the APA (Royalties)
Granted
4. Declaratory Relief: Rights and Duties under § 4.16(b) of the APA (right to
waive claims)
Granted
5. Declaratory Relief: Rights and Duties under § 4.16(b) of the APA (right to
approve new licences)
Granted
6. Constructive Trust/Restitution/Unjust Enrichment
Denied due to uncertain amount
7. Breach of Fiduciary Duty
Granted
8. Conversion
Granted (amount TBD by Jury)
9. Accounting
Moot due to discovery
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| Authored by: mtew on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:31 AM EDT |
The purity of Linux with respect to SVRx may not get settled directly as a
result of this order. It was not one of the issues raised in either the IBM or
Novell case. It was an issue in the Red Hat case, but only with respect to SCO.
With tSCOg not having the copyrights, the issue becomes moot.
The question is how can a definitive settlement of this issue can be reached?
I'm not a lawyer so this is speculation.
Novell, as the nominal copyright holder is key to any solution. Without their
cooperation, getting an answer becomes much more difficult. Is it in their
interest to see the issue settled?
Assuming that it is in their interest and they are willing to cooperate, what
could be done?
The first step would be a real examination of the SVRx and Linux code. That
suggests a community project. A major problem is assuring those that study the
SVRx code will not get tarred by the 'contamination' brush tSCOg was waving
around. This would require Novell to provide an 'anti-NDA'. Something like the
FSF would need to review it. Other issues concern resources and methodology.
If the study reaches a conclusion and any problems found can be resolved, the
next question is how to assure that the results are a proper legal precident.
No answers, just questions...
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| Authored by: KAKMAN on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:33 AM EDT |
Hey PJ, does this mean you can now make live appearances in other media without
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:34 AM EDT |
| Finally!!!
PJ,
I've had this (among others!) cartoon up above my desk for a
long, long time now. I've been waiting for the day when it would be proven
right!
To Groklaw and UserFriendly!!
You know not how indebted I
am to you both over the years!
Thank you from the bottom of my heart...
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 02:50 AM EDT |
How much of the ruling directly applies to the IBM case?
Clearly the part about Novell waiving the contract claims, which certainly takes
most of the (hot) air out of SCO's case. But does the whole decision transfer
over? Isn't the decision based on the evidence presented in this case? Could SCO
argue that there was evidence presented in the IBM case that was not presented
in the Novell case. Or information not presented in the IBM case that was
presented in the Novell case that would change the the outcome?
Is this why IBM asked to have all the material from the Novell case admitted
into the IBM case?
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- Pending motions - Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 10:18 AM EDT
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, August 11 2007 @ 03:15 AM EDT |
| What a great timing. Planned since some time SCO will be Hax0rcised today at the Chaos Communication
Camp 2007. The Day of Judgment has arrived.
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